Watch this video of Mariota vs. FSU, dude is not that accurate or good.
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I think if you yourself want to use the phrase apples to oranges, you need to take into context the offensive systems certain QB's play in.
You're not basing ANYTHING on his statistical percentages yet that's all you have quoted to support your argument. I've watch Mariota enough to tell you his accuracy is concerning, especially coming off of his primary read. That video along Walter posted demonstrates it multiple times in a single game.
That said, the Tebow comparison is spot fucking on. Similar systems of play yielding high completion percentages. Perhaps it's you without credibility?
So tebow is a fair comparison to mariota because they both played in a spread with good stats? That's some spot on analysis where do I buy the insider subscription. Tebow and mariota are nothing alike, please stop. you don't want stats and my opinion is invalid but your opinion is valid? that makes sense. you only watch 4 bad passes and come to some conclusion about what type of throws he can and can't make and you know exactly how well he will transition to the NFL. surprise, you don't know and I don't know how well he will transition. Will he have things to develop and learn, of course. But saying he is inaccurate is laughable, he's displayed he can go through progressions and deliver passes accurately for three years in college and at pro day. He was the most consistent QB in college the last 3 years. Here is an opinion, I think gruden said it best lack of information is an understatement.
“I don’t know anybody in this draft that can do for a football team what Mariota can do,” Gruden said. “He can read the field. That whole thing about Oregon being a no-huddle, dive-option team, that is just a narrative resulting from a lack of information. The Ducks run a lot of pro-style concepts. Mariota does a lot with the protections. I’ve seen him throw the ball with touch and timing in tight windows.” The former Bucs coach points out that Mariota is the same size as Jameis Winston but runs 4.52 forty. He is incredibly elusive, and man, is he a playmaker and a great competitor. I see him functioning in the pocket, out of the pocket, and if you want to run a zone-read, he’ll rip the defense apart. He is like Russell Wilson, only he is 6-4.”
does gruden have zero credibility too?
Gruden also gave Johnny Manziel a similar glowing evaluation.So tebow is a fair comparison to mariota because they both played in a spread with good stats? That's some spot on analysis where do I buy the insider subscription. Tebow and mariota are nothing alike, please stop. you don't want stats and my opinion is invalid but your opinion is valid? that makes sense. you only watch 4 bad passes and come to some conclusion about what type of throws he can and can't make and you know exactly how well he will transition to the NFL. surprise, you don't know and I don't know how well he will transition. Will he have things to develop and learn, of course. But saying he is inaccurate is laughable, he's displayed he can go through progressions and deliver passes accurately for three years in college and at pro day. He was the most consistent QB in college the last 3 years. Here is an opinion, I think gruden said it best lack of information is an understatement.
I dont know anybody in this draft that can do for a football team what Mariota can do, Gruden said. He can read the field. That whole thing about Oregon being a no-huddle, dive-option team, that is just a narrative resulting from a lack of information. The Ducks run a lot of pro-style concepts. Mariota does a lot with the protections. Ive seen him throw the ball with touch and timing in tight windows. The former Bucs coach points out that Mariota is the same size as Jameis Winston but runs 4.52 forty. He is incredibly elusive, and man, is he a playmaker and a great competitor. I see him functioning in the pocket, out of the pocket, and if you want to run a zone-read, hell rip the defense apart. He is like Russell Wilson, only he is 6-4.
does gruden
have zero credibility too?
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a lot of people here ( i know a couple) who are bellowing at the chance the browns make a move on mariota were all too convinced manziel was the best QB in the draft last year, lol.
Big difference between "a lot" and "a couple"...
I don't expect Mariota to be quite as bad. Franchise worthy? We'll have to agree to disagree.
I'm actually kind of curious what you see in him that would convince you of that label...
I did not think my 10 to 20 appraisal was all that lofty.
Just a growing feeling that he is going to develop and be a consistently good, reliable QB for 10-15 years. I think his legs will buy him the time to develop, much as Wilson's have for him.
While I do have concerns over is lack of fire, I have zero concern that any leading he does will be in the right direction from the get-go.
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Just tryin' to be neighborly...
6:15 and counting... down...
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Here's what I've said about Mariota from day 1, using this list as a broad reference: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2014/11/13/nfl-qb-rankings-from-1-to-32-aaron-rodgers-tops-tom-brady-peyton-manning/ (p.s., list is arguable and hoyer is 11!)
Anywho, when you look at this list and think over the elite people in the game, only Cam Newton really doesn't fit the mold of the player that came from a more pro-style offense in college. Mariota came from the most true-spread scheme in the entire CFB landscape. Do I think he has tools to be successful at some level? Sure, but how many times are these QB's who come from spread schemes going to not live up to expectations before it becomes a pattern?
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Here's what I've said about Mariota from day 1, using this list as a broad reference: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2014/11/13/nfl-qb-rankings-from-1-to-32-aaron-rodgers-tops-tom-brady-peyton-manning/ (p.s., list is arguable and hoyer is 11!)
Anywho, when you look at this list and think over the elite people in the game, only Cam Newton really doesn't fit the mold of the player that came from a more pro-style offense in college. Mariota came from the most true-spread scheme in the entire CFB landscape. Do I think he has tools to be successful at some level? Sure, but how many times are these QB's who come from spread schemes going to not live up to expectations before it becomes a pattern?
Here's what I've said about Mariota from day 1, using this list as a broad reference: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2014/11/13/nfl-qb-rankings-from-1-to-32-aaron-rodgers-tops-tom-brady-peyton-manning/ (p.s., list is arguable and hoyer is 11!)
Anywho, when you look at this list and think over the elite people in the game, only Cam Newton really doesn't fit the mold of the player that came from a more pro-style offense in college.
Not sure exactly what you're attempting to say here. Cam Newton is an elite player?
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Here's what I've said about Mariota from day 1, using this list as a broad reference: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2014/11/13/nfl-qb-rankings-from-1-to-32-aaron-rodgers-tops-tom-brady-peyton-manning/ (p.s., list is arguable and hoyer is 11!)
Anywho, when you look at this list and think over the elite people in the game, only Cam Newton really doesn't fit the mold of the player that came from a more pro-style offense in college. Mariota came from the most true-spread scheme in the entire CFB landscape. Do I think he has tools to be successful at some level? Sure, but how many times are these QB's who come from spread schemes going to not live up to expectations before it becomes a pattern?
Here's what I've said about Mariota from day 1, using this list as a broad reference: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2014/11/13/nfl-qb-rankings-from-1-to-32-aaron-rodgers-tops-tom-brady-peyton-manning/ (p.s., list is arguable and hoyer is 11!)
Anywho, when you look at this list and think over the elite people in the game, only Cam Newton really doesn't fit the mold of the player that came from a more pro-style offense in college. Mariota came from the most true-spread scheme in the entire CFB landscape. Do I think he has tools to be successful at some level? Sure, but how many times are these QB's who come from spread schemes going to not live up to expectations before it becomes a pattern?
You also have far more pro-style offense based quarterbacks coming into the NFL, guess what percentage of those players aren't successful starting QBs? Writing him off because he plays in a spread is just hilarious to me.That's like me saying, 90% of drafted quarterbacks coming from pro-style offenses in college aren't successful at the next level which is probably a lower percentage than reality. In the last five years about 8 or 9 out of 10 of the top drafted QBs are from pro-style offenses. How many worked out? 5-7 total? Less? Then you have the dual threat spread QBs, Cam, Russell Wilson, kaepernick, RG3, tannehill, dalton all of whom have had success to some extent coming from spread based offenses.
Shouldn't these QBs be doing well because of where they are from? Mike Glennon, EJ manuel, Matt barkley Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson,Weeden, Osweiler, Foles, Cousins, Locker, Ponder,Mccoy, Clausen and MANY MANY more. You flood enough pro-style based QBs into the league of course you will find a gem every once in a while. You want to talk about expectations and forget just how many QBs fail from ideal pro-style offenses. give me a break, every player has different skill sets and abilities SPREAD or NOT.
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Here's what I've said about Mariota from day 1, using this list as a broad reference: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2014/11/13/nfl-qb-rankings-from-1-to-32-aaron-rodgers-tops-tom-brady-peyton-manning/ (p.s., list is arguable and hoyer is 11!)
Anywho, when you look at this list and think over the elite people in the game, only Cam Newton really doesn't fit the mold of the player that came from a more pro-style offense in college.
Not sure exactly what you're attempting to say here. Cam Newton is an elite player?
Not sure exactly what you're attempting to say here. Cam Newton is an elite player?
Yeah a little messed up there. What I'm saying look at the crop of "old" high level starters: Brees, both Manning's, Brady, Rodgers. Compare that to the group of "young" high level starters: Luck, Wilson, Matt Ryan. All these dudes didn't come from an Oregon type of spread offense.
You also have far more pro-style offense based quarterbacks coming into the NFL, guess what percentage of those players aren't successful starting QBs? Writing him off because he plays in a spread is just hilarious to me.That's like me saying, 90% of drafted quarterbacks coming from pro-style offenses in college aren't successful at the next level which is probably a lower percentage than reality. In the last five years about 8 or 9 out of 10 of the top drafted QBs are from pro-style offenses. How many worked out? 5-7 total? Less? Then you have the dual threat spread QBs, Cam, Russell Wilson, kaepernick, RG3, tannehill, dalton all of whom have had success to some extent coming from spread based offenses.
Shouldn't these QBs be doing well because of where they are from? Mike Glennon, EJ manuel, Matt barkley Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson,Weeden, Osweiler, Foles, Cousins, Locker, Ponder,Mccoy, Clausen and MANY MANY more. You flood enough pro-style based QBs into the league of course you will find a gem every once in a while. give me a break, every player has different skill sets and abilities SPREAD or NOT.
Jesus where do I even start with that? Of course that's true, any moron could babble with that logic. The fact you would include RG3, Dalton and Kap in the conversation says it allRussell Wilson played in hybrid scheme that had a lot of pro-style at NC State and Wisconsin. Of course most guys are going to fail, that's the NFL and true of every position on the field. That's why only extremely small amounts of college players even get drafted in the first place. To not look at empirical evidence of what brings out good players is laughably bad. Being able to run means nothing-we have that guy on the roster now.
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Here's what I've said about Mariota from day 1, using this list as a broad reference: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2014/11/13/nfl-qb-rankings-from-1-to-32-aaron-rodgers-tops-tom-brady-peyton-manning/ (p.s., list is arguable and hoyer is 11!)
Anywho, when you look at this list and think over the elite people in the game, only Cam Newton really doesn't fit the mold of the player that came from a more pro-style offense in college. Mariota came from the most true-spread scheme in the entire CFB landscape. Do I think he has tools to be successful at some level? Sure, but how many times are these QB's who come from spread schemes going to not live up to expectations before it becomes a pattern?
Here's what I've said about Mariota from day 1, using this list as a broad reference: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2014/11/13/nfl-qb-rankings-from-1-to-32-aaron-rodgers-tops-tom-brady-peyton-manning/ (p.s., list is arguable and hoyer is 11!)
Anywho, when you look at this list and think over the elite people in the game, only Cam Newton really doesn't fit the mold of the player that came from a more pro-style offense in college. Mariota came from the most true-spread scheme in the entire CFB landscape. Do I think he has tools to be successful at some level? Sure, but how many times are these QB's who come from spread schemes going to not live up to expectations before it becomes a pattern?
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Don't evaluate him on his numbers in the Spread-offense.
Look at his throws.
His pocket awareness.
His physical traits.
His skill set
His CHARACTER...
There are very little QB coming out of college in a spread offense like him. Just because Manzil fail coming from a school with a spread offense, does not mean Mariota will fail too. That logic is fail.
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Mel Kiper said Jimmy Clausen was a first rounder.
Well DUH he's from a pro-style college offense, EVERYONE knows that's how you evaluate if a QB has it or not.
Just look at Jake Locker, Mettenberger, Mallet, Mccoy, Weeden, Ponder, Manuel, Glennon, Barkley.... all of them are your ideal candidates for any team looking for a QB who can transition into a pro-style offense....
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Mel Kiper said Jimmy Clausen was a first rounder.
Well DUH he's from a pro-style college offense, EVERYONE knows that's how you evaluate if a QB has it or not.
Just look at Jake Locker, Mettenberger, Mallet, Mccoy, Weeden, Ponder, Manuel, Glennon, Barkley.... all of them are your ideal candidates for any team looking for a QB who can transition into a pro-style offense....
Well DUH he's from a pro-style college offense, EVERYONE knows that's how you evaluate if a QB has it or not.
Just look at Jake Locker, Mettenberger, Mallet, Mccoy, Weeden, Ponder, Manuel, Glennon, Barkley.... all of them are your ideal candidates for any team looking for a QB who can transition into a pro-style offense....
Mettenberger, Mallet, McCoy and even Glennon have shown the potential to at least be average starting QB's in the NFL in the right setting with the right personnel.
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Well DUH he's from a pro-style college offense, EVERYONE knows that's how you evaluate if a QB has it or not.
Just look at Jake Locker, Mettenberger, Mallet, Mccoy, Weeden, Ponder, Manuel, Glennon, Barkley.... all of them are your ideal candidates for any team looking for a QB who can transition into a pro-style offense....
Mettenberger, Mallet, McCoy and even Glennon have shown the potential to at least be average starting QB's in the NFL in the right setting with the right personnel.
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Posted this elsewhere, but seems to fit here...
Trent Dilfer just unveiled an really interesting take on NFL Live.
Basically he said that for months he had been breaking down tape in vain trying to find a way to predict successful college QB translation to the NFL. He said the compounded effects of the wider college hash marks, the spread, the read option and tempo have turned college QBs into throwers. Evaluating the bulk of their play was a waste of time. The exception was goal-to-goal situations against the most talented teams.
In goal-to-goal situations field compression neutralized field, scheme and tempo differences enough to evaluate pro readiness. He offered these breakdowns vs. Power 5 opponents for Winston, Luck, Wilson, Mariotta, Griffith and Manziel.
- QB --- JW - AL - RW - MM - RG - JM
%Cmplt: 64 - 85 - 100 - 44 -- 30 -- 40
TD/INT : 9-0 15-0 9-0 -- 9-0 - 3-1 - 5-2
RushTD: 2 --- 1 --- 4 ---- 5 ---- 6 ---- 6
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