SCOTUS - Same Sex Marriage a Right in Every State
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Sorry, I did mention consent, but not in the context you're suggesting, of "kids can't consent, that's why it's illegal, but the don't consent to eating broccoli" or whatever bullshit you're trying to pedal this time.
Six months ago, I would have assumed you could tell the difference, and you were just playing devils advocate. Today, you've done that so much, and with such bullshit arguments and twisted misinterpretations, I have to wonder if you actually believe what you're saying.
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No you didn't mention consent that's why I revised the post. I often have to reread and revise. Usually I do it fairly quickly.
But you understand how silly it is to make a blanket law because some people can't make a responsible decision right? You don't have any friends that have been taken for a ride by a boyfriend or girlfriend? Despite their age? Do you think Donald sterling can make an informed decision when a twenty something fashion model offers to pretend to love him for his money? Really?
WSS
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Well I do believe it's true. And I am being the devil's advocate because it pisses me off as much as it would any of you patriarchal types. But I'm smart enough to see that correlation.
And whether the arguments are bullshit or not no one has been able to dispute a single one without using some ridiculous consent excuse.
Did you ever see the island of dr. Moreau? Or read the HG Wells book?
WSS
PS we all make the same arguments over and over and over year after year
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No you didn't mention consent that's why I revised the post. I often have to reread and revise. Usually I do it fairly quickly.
But you understand how silly it is to make a blanket law because some people can't make a responsible decision right? You don't have any friends that have been taken for a ride by a boyfriend or girlfriend? Despite their age? Do you think Donald sterling can make an informed decision when a twenty something fashion model offers to pretend to love him for his money? Really?
WSS
No you didn't mention consent that's why I revised the post. I often have to reread and revise. Usually I do it fairly quickly.
But you understand how silly it is to make a blanket law because some people can't make a responsible decision right? You don't have any friends that have been taken for a ride by a boyfriend or girlfriend? Despite their age? Do you think Donald sterling can make an informed decision when a twenty something fashion model offers to pretend to love him for his money? Really?
WSS
"Some people?" Most kids won't make responsible decisions when left to their own devices. Maybe one or two in a hundred.
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Well I do believe it's true. And I am being the devil's advocate because it pisses me off as much as it would any of you patriarchal types. But I'm smart enough to see that correlation.
And whether the arguments are bullshit or not no one has been able to dispute a single one without using some ridiculous consent excuse.
Did you ever see the island of dr. Moreau? Or read the HG Wells book?
WSS
PS we all make the same arguments over and over and over year after year
Well I do believe it's true. And I am being the devil's advocate because it pisses me off as much as it would any of you patriarchal types. But I'm smart enough to see that correlation.
And whether the arguments are bullshit or not no one has been able to dispute a single one without using some ridiculous consent excuse.
Did you ever see the island of dr. Moreau? Or read the HG Wells book?
WSS
PS we all make the same arguments over and over and over year after year
I've literally just disputed it without using the consent excuse, ~five posts ago, and you agreed that ~three posts ago?
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No you didn't mention consent that's why I revised the post. I often have to reread and revise. Usually I do it fairly quickly.
But you understand how silly it is to make a blanket law because some people can't make a responsible decision right? You don't have any friends that have been taken for a ride by a boyfriend or girlfriend? Despite their age? Do you think Donald sterling can make an informed decision when a twenty something fashion model offers to pretend to love him for his money? Really?
WSS
"Some people?" Most kids won't make responsible decisions when left to their own devices. Maybe one or two in a hundred.
"Some people?" Most kids won't make responsible decisions when left to their own devices. Maybe one or two in a hundred.
Well what's the ratio from 18 to 30? Maybe 5 or 6 in 100? Would we be better if you raise that age to 25 like running for Senate?
But aside from societal indignation what are the consequences to making the wrong decision?
WSS
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And yes, it's the same arguments year after year, month after month, week after week, day after day, because there are some seriously stubborn people on both sides who have the means to pedal the same nonsense to rile up the base, meaning that nothing is ever agreed upon.
American politics has become so firmly entrenched in the "us or them" mentality that even things that should be unilaterally supported - funding for schools, hospitals or whatever - get divided up in to "there's too many freeloaders, the liberals are trying to make this a socialist/communist state" versus "all the christian right just want to keep the rich rich" or whatever lame arguments are in vogue at the time.
Nobody can reach across the aisle and get something done.
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"Some people?" Most kids won't make responsible decisions when left to their own devices. Maybe one or two in a hundred.
Well what's the ratio from 18 to 30? Maybe 5 or 6 in 100? Would we be better if you raise that age to 25 like running for Senate?
But aside from societal indignation what are the consequences to making the wrong decision?
WSS
Well what's the ratio from 18 to 30? Maybe 5 or 6 in 100? Would we be better if you raise that age to 25 like running for Senate?
But aside from societal indignation what are the consequences to making the wrong decision?
WSS
Apart from the mental and possibly physical damage? OK, suspending reality to call it a 'victimless crime' - should a crime only be a crime if it's victimless? Like trespassing, gambling, speeding, smoking weed, gay marriage, things like that?
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So here's something to think about. I'm assuming each of us masturbated for the first time in our early teens.
What was your very first fantasy? Magazine picture? One of your teachers? A girl in school? (if it's something really really kinky you don't have to tell us
)Did that experience warp your mind? Did it create psychological damage that you live with to this day? Seriously tell me why or why not.
(keep in mind your fantasy with the teacher or the magazine model or the classmate would be considered illegal)
Honest answers only
WSS
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Well I do believe it's true. And I am being the devil's advocate because it pisses me off as much as it would any of you patriarchal types. But I'm smart enough to see that correlation.
And whether the arguments are bullshit or not no one has been able to dispute a single one without using some ridiculous consent excuse.
Did you ever see the island of dr. Moreau? Or read the HG Wells book?
WSS
PS we all make the same arguments over and over and over year after year
I've literally just disputed it without using the consent excuse, ~five posts ago, and you agreed that ~three posts ago?
Perhaps disputed is the wrong term. Yes you did disputed but you did not disprove it. I agreed with the fact that it pisses me off as well not that it's based in any kind of scientific or natural reality.I've literally just disputed it without using the consent excuse, ~five posts ago, and you agreed that ~three posts ago?
WSS
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Well what's the ratio from 18 to 30? Maybe 5 or 6 in 100? Would we be better if you raise that age to 25 like running for Senate?
But aside from societal indignation what are the consequences to making the wrong decision?
WSS
Apart from the mental and possibly physical damage? OK, suspending reality to call it a 'victimless crime' - should a crime only be a crime if it's victimless? Like trespassing, gambling, speeding, smoking weed, gay marriage, things like that?
Physical damage is a completely different thing. Should a man with a large penis face criminal charges for marrying a small woman? Nobody should hurt anybody for fucks sake. And the psychological damage??? That's because puritanical society will hound her like the Sisters of Magdalena.Apart from the mental and possibly physical damage? OK, suspending reality to call it a 'victimless crime' - should a crime only be a crime if it's victimless? Like trespassing, gambling, speeding, smoking weed, gay marriage, things like that?
WSS
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And yes, it's the same arguments year after year, month after month, week after week, day after day, because there are some seriously stubborn people on both sides who have the means to pedal the same nonsense to rile up the base, meaning that nothing is ever agreed upon.
American politics has become so firmly entrenched in the "us or them" mentality that even things that should be unilaterally supported - funding for schools, hospitals or whatever - get divided up in to "there's too many freeloaders, the liberals are trying to make this a socialist/communist state" versus "all the christian right just want to keep the rich rich" or whatever lame arguments are in vogue at the time.
Nobody can reach across the aisle and get something done.
And yes, it's the same arguments year after year, month after month, week after week, day after day, because there are some seriously stubborn people on both sides who have the means to pedal the same nonsense to rile up the base, meaning that nothing is ever agreed upon.
American politics has become so firmly entrenched in the "us or them" mentality that even things that should be unilaterally supported - funding for schools, hospitals or whatever - get divided up in to "there's too many freeloaders, the liberals are trying to make this a socialist/communist state" versus "all the christian right just want to keep the rich rich" or whatever lame arguments are in vogue at the time.
Nobody can reach across the aisle and get something done.
Which I assume has been the case from the time there were 5 caveman arguing over a piece of brontosaurus meat. Sorry that revelation shocked you.
WSS
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And yes, it's the same arguments year after year, month after month, week after week, day after day, because there are some seriously stubborn people on both sides who have the means to pedal the same nonsense to rile up the base, meaning that nothing is ever agreed upon.
American politics has become so firmly entrenched in the "us or them" mentality that even things that should be unilaterally supported - funding for schools, hospitals or whatever - get divided up in to "there's too many freeloaders, the liberals are trying to make this a socialist/communist state" versus "all the christian right just want to keep the rich rich" or whatever lame arguments are in vogue at the time.
Nobody can reach across the aisle and get something done.
Which I assume has been the case from the time there were 5 caveman arguing over a piece of brontosaurus meat. Sorry that revelation shocked you.
WSS
Which I assume has been the case from the time there were 5 caveman arguing over a piece of brontosaurus meat. Sorry that revelation shocked you.
WSS
Difference being, in your pointless analogy, the cavemen would have agreed that killing the brontosaurus for its meat was a good thing. Today you'd have one side saying "one of those brontosaurus' trampled some guy I'm vaguely related to, we must hunt down and kill every single brontosaurus" with the other saying "but we can just survive on berries, we don't need to kill *any* brontosaurus"
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Which I assume has been the case from the time there were 5 caveman arguing over a piece of brontosaurus meat. Sorry that revelation shocked you.
WSS
Difference being, in your pointless analogy, the cavemen would have agreed that killing the brontosaurus for its meat was a good thing. Today you'd have one side saying "one of those brontosaurus' trampled some guy I'm vaguely related to, we must hunt down and kill every single brontosaurus" with the other saying "but we can just survive on berries, we don't need to kill *any* brontosaurus"
Difference being, in your pointless analogy, the cavemen would have agreed that killing the brontosaurus for its meat was a good thing. Today you'd have one side saying "one of those brontosaurus' trampled some guy I'm vaguely related to, we must hunt down and kill every single brontosaurus" with the other saying "but we can just survive on berries, we don't need to kill *any* brontosaurus"
Charge WSS with a pointless analogy then expand on it? Way to take a stand.
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Difference being, in your pointless analogy, the cavemen would have agreed that killing the brontosaurus for its meat was a good thing. Today you'd have one side saying "one of those brontosaurus' trampled some guy I'm vaguely related to, we must hunt down and kill every single brontosaurus" with the other saying "but we can just survive on berries, we don't need to kill *any* brontosaurus"
Charge WSS with a pointless analogy then expand on it? Way to take a stand.
Stuart said:
Charge WSS with a pointless analogy then expand on it? Way to take a stand.
I told him how his analogy was pointless, using his analogy. But even so, do you expect me to "take a stand" on an analogy? Really? Like there aren't actual important things to take a stand on?
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I guess you are upset I just gave the analogy in response to your observations on American politics. No shit Sherlock, that's the way of the world. Always has been whether or not you feel you are superior. (and I'm not necessarily making that charge)
WSS
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I guess you are upset I just gave the analogy in response to your observations on American politics. No shit Sherlock, that's the way of the world. Always has been whether or not you feel you are superior. (and I'm not necessarily making that charge)
WSS
I guess you are upset I just gave the analogy in response to your observations on American politics. No shit Sherlock, that's the way of the world. Always has been whether or not you feel you are superior. (and I'm not necessarily making that charge)
WSS
Except in most countries, there are at least *some* issues that have unilateral support - gay marriage, climate change, counter-terrorism, for example. The big things that should be above party politics. Except, they *are* party politics in America.
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And yes, it's the same arguments year after year, month after month, week after week, day after day, because there are some seriously stubborn people on both sides who have the means to pedal the same nonsense to rile up the base, meaning that nothing is ever agreed upon.
American politics has become so firmly entrenched in the "us or them" mentality that even things that should be unilaterally supported - funding for schools, hospitals or whatever - get divided up in to "there's too many freeloaders, the liberals are trying to make this a socialist/communist state" versus "all the christian right just want to keep the rich rich" or whatever lame arguments are in vogue at the time.
Nobody can reach across the aisle and get something done.
American politics has become so firmly entrenched in the "us or them" mentality that even things that should be unilaterally supported - funding for schools, hospitals or whatever - get divided up in to
"Us or them" translates to right and wrong. Right and wrong will always be with us. Theres a reason the right is called the right and the left incorporates a jackass as their party symbol.
There are too many freeloaders. Truth."there's too many freeloaders,
" the liberals are trying to make this a socialist/communist state" versus "all the christian right just want to keep the rich rich" or whatever lame arguments are in vogue at the time.
Truth. What does "FUNDAMENTALLY transforming America" mean to you?
What person has ever made a good living working for someone making 70k a year? I make a good living because the guy I work for is rich. Truth.
"Nobody can reach across the aisle and get something done.
Reaching across the isle translates to all or nothing to liberals. Ask Harry Reid how many compromise bills offered by Republicans he has blocked.
Rhinos, aka Republican liberal ass kissers not only reach across the aisle, they walk across it...a fine demonstration of all or nothing.
Sorry to skew away from yours and Steves debate....carry on.
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And there it is again. "Don't blame us, blame them!"
Also do you actually know why the parties are right-wing and left-wing?
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I guess you are upset I just gave the analogy in response to your observations on American politics. No shit Sherlock, that's the way of the world. Always has been whether or not you feel you are superior. (and I'm not necessarily making that charge)
WSS
Except in most countries, there are at least *some* issues that have unilateral support - gay marriage, climate change, counter-terrorism, for example. The big things that should be above party politics. Except, they *are* party politics in America.
Well I stand corrected. Now I guess I am necessarily making that charge.Except in most countries, there are at least *some* issues that have unilateral support - gay marriage, climate change, counter-terrorism, for example. The big things that should be above party politics. Except, they *are* party politics in America.
Anyway if all you enlightened Europeans are on the same page on all those big big issues salut!
So just out of curiosity when we see clips of fist fights and shouting each other down in Parliament what are those issues being debated?
WSS
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