SCOTUS - Same Sex Marriage a Right in Every State
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Consent is a meaningless word here. You know what woody you all know it.
You're just making shit up because that pisses you off.
Make it a pubescent 13 then. Kid this old man will give you an iPod and all you have to do is this. No pain involved whatsoever. What are you afraid it will teach him? That homosexuality is OK? That prostitution is profitable?
You sound just like the Bible thumpers you despise.
WSS
Kids can't make informed decisions. Thus why they can't join the military, get a credit card, or agree to a night out in Chester's panel van.
Kids can't make informed decisions. Thus why they can't join the military, get a credit card, or agree to a night out in Chester's panel van.
what are you doing dude? Do you not see you're trying to explain things that to normal people it just "goes without saying".....?? And you questioned why I bust balls?
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Consent is a meaningless word here. You know what woody you all know it.
You're just making shit up because that pisses you off.
Make it a pubescent 13 then. Kid this old man will give you an iPod and all you have to do is this. No pain involved whatsoever. What are you afraid it will teach him? That homosexuality is OK? That prostitution is profitable?
You sound just like the Bible thumpers you despise.
WSS
You really reached on that one to try to piss me off, huh? You must have been pretty proud of yourself as you typed that last line...
A kid can't consent. Your brain isn't anywhere near fully developed at 13. Maybe your sex organ are starting to kick in, but not every part of your brain.
. Your brain isn't anywhere near fully developed at 13. .
And as should be painfully obvious to you by now some people's brains absolutely never develop properly. You can just print this this thread out and hand it to a psychologist and see what he says.
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You really reached on that one to try to piss me off, huh? You must have been pretty proud of yourself as you typed that last line...
A kid can't consent. Your brain isn't anywhere near fully developed at 13. Maybe your sex organ are starting to kick in, but not every part of your brain.
Too bad you dont apply the same logic to a kid in the womb who cant consent to his being aborted...he isn't fully developed either.
Stuart said:
Too bad you dont apply the same logic to a kid in the womb who cant consent to his being aborted...he isn't fully developed either.
another apples to oranges out of you, its really your thing isn't it? Not really fully developed yourself there huh stewie?
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So exactly at what age does a blow job change from a horrible and cruel destructive act to expression of beautiful love?
WSS
So exactly at what age does a blow job change from a horrible and cruel destructive act to expression of beautiful love?
WSS
This was culturally decided between men and women long ago. If you ever had a young daughter and came home to find a grown man sticking is cock in her but she swore she consented, you'd still kill the guy. I hope that happens to you in your next life.
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The concept of tying up homosexuality with paedophilia to try to demonise them both equally is as old and tired as, well, a lot of people here
Just in case you're having difficulty with this, please try to bear in mind the following:- No, being gay doesn't automatically make you a sexual predator.
- No, speaking to a gay person won't make you or your kids gay; it might make them realise that being gay is fine, and they might come out, but in that case, they were already gay.
- We have an age limit on consent because kids generally cannot make responsible decisions - this is also why they can't drink, drive, vote, join the army or watch fifty shades of grey.
- Nobody is attacking heterosexual marriage. Everyone is still free to marry someone of the opposite sex.
- Nobody is forcing you to have gay sex. Except that guy in the prison showers. Sorry about that.
- Advocating gay rights in general does not mean you're gay, it means you're a decent person.
- Nobody should be forcing churches to marry gay couples.
- You don't have the right to refuse someone from your business just because they're gay. Or black, old, young, have weird hair, smell slightly funky, or cheated to beat you at mah-jong yesterday. That being said, people should still be understanding in these situations and not resort to law suits.
- Nobody is attacking religious freedom. You're still free to worship whichever deity (deities) you choose, but the religious doctrine should not impact the law, and you do not get to impose it on other people - they have religious freedom too. There may be a lot of crossover, but there'll also be lots of things in your scripture not in the law.
OK?
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For the hundredth time I'm not talking about pedophilia. Pedophilia is having sex with a prepubescent child. A child who has reached puberty is naturally ready to reproduce.
We want that to be illegal because it pisses us off and for no other reason. You made up something about consent which you can't even explain. ( think again about whether a child can consent to do his chores go to school or clean his room . If he refuses he is punished right?) Think of the times you bray at people for saying homosexuality is wrong because the Bible says so. It's because it creeps them out and they have made up a reason to be angry about it. What's funny is I know you are bright enough to understand that but you just can't let yourself admit it. The lasting damage done to the psychology of a 13 year old as sex with an older person is because of societal reaction. Much like homosexual persecution. If it were not so severely condemned in society people would be much less fucked up.
Imagine if those taboos didn't exist and that 2% of the population could just go about their lives without worries.
WSS
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So exactly at what age does a blow job change from a horrible and cruel destructive act to expression of beautiful love?
WSS
This was culturally decided between men and women long ago. If you ever had a young daughter and came home to find a grown man sticking is cock in her but she swore she consented, you'd still kill the guy. I hope that happens to you in your next life.
Well what you hope for doesn't concern me much, since you are such an unmitigated asshole but you are correct. The only reason that's a taboo is because it pisses you off. Just like homosexuality pisses some people off. If you came home and found you are 30 year old wife in bed with another man you'd probably kill him. Or her or want to.This was culturally decided between men and women long ago. If you ever had a young daughter and came home to find a grown man sticking is cock in her but she swore she consented, you'd still kill the guy. I hope that happens to you in your next life.
Why? The Bible says so?
So should that be illegal?
WSS
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Well that's the way it used to be - when there was grass on the wicket, it was ready for cricket, as the saying went. So then why introduce any kind of laws? Because young people generally are not capable of making responsible decisions for themselves. It's not so much about consent, and I didn't mention consent. Kids can consent to drinking a litre of vodka because it would make them cool - it would also make them dead.
Besides, 16 is not a crazy old age for consent, is it? We're agreed that sex with pre-pubescent kids is wrong. Good. Then when puberty starts, and the kids start looking more like adults, with the associated attributes, it's an understandable reaction to occasionally find them attractive. But then they're still going through puberty, they're still not really adults yet. So, when does puberty end, when do they actually become adults? Well, that would be some time around 16 years old. Hey look, that's the age of consent! Wow, what a coincidence with that number society plucked out of their arse.
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Sorry, I did mention consent, but not in the context you're suggesting, of "kids can't consent, that's why it's illegal, but the don't consent to eating broccoli" or whatever bullshit you're trying to pedal this time.
Six months ago, I would have assumed you could tell the difference, and you were just playing devils advocate. Today, you've done that so much, and with such bullshit arguments and twisted misinterpretations, I have to wonder if you actually believe what you're saying.
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No you didn't mention consent that's why I revised the post. I often have to reread and revise. Usually I do it fairly quickly.
But you understand how silly it is to make a blanket law because some people can't make a responsible decision right? You don't have any friends that have been taken for a ride by a boyfriend or girlfriend? Despite their age? Do you think Donald sterling can make an informed decision when a twenty something fashion model offers to pretend to love him for his money? Really?
WSS
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Well I do believe it's true. And I am being the devil's advocate because it pisses me off as much as it would any of you patriarchal types. But I'm smart enough to see that correlation.
And whether the arguments are bullshit or not no one has been able to dispute a single one without using some ridiculous consent excuse.
Did you ever see the island of dr. Moreau? Or read the HG Wells book?
WSS
PS we all make the same arguments over and over and over year after year
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No you didn't mention consent that's why I revised the post. I often have to reread and revise. Usually I do it fairly quickly.
But you understand how silly it is to make a blanket law because some people can't make a responsible decision right? You don't have any friends that have been taken for a ride by a boyfriend or girlfriend? Despite their age? Do you think Donald sterling can make an informed decision when a twenty something fashion model offers to pretend to love him for his money? Really?
WSS
No you didn't mention consent that's why I revised the post. I often have to reread and revise. Usually I do it fairly quickly.
But you understand how silly it is to make a blanket law because some people can't make a responsible decision right? You don't have any friends that have been taken for a ride by a boyfriend or girlfriend? Despite their age? Do you think Donald sterling can make an informed decision when a twenty something fashion model offers to pretend to love him for his money? Really?
WSS
"Some people?" Most kids won't make responsible decisions when left to their own devices. Maybe one or two in a hundred.
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Well I do believe it's true. And I am being the devil's advocate because it pisses me off as much as it would any of you patriarchal types. But I'm smart enough to see that correlation.
And whether the arguments are bullshit or not no one has been able to dispute a single one without using some ridiculous consent excuse.
Did you ever see the island of dr. Moreau? Or read the HG Wells book?
WSS
PS we all make the same arguments over and over and over year after year
Well I do believe it's true. And I am being the devil's advocate because it pisses me off as much as it would any of you patriarchal types. But I'm smart enough to see that correlation.
And whether the arguments are bullshit or not no one has been able to dispute a single one without using some ridiculous consent excuse.
Did you ever see the island of dr. Moreau? Or read the HG Wells book?
WSS
PS we all make the same arguments over and over and over year after year
I've literally just disputed it without using the consent excuse, ~five posts ago, and you agreed that ~three posts ago?
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No you didn't mention consent that's why I revised the post. I often have to reread and revise. Usually I do it fairly quickly.
But you understand how silly it is to make a blanket law because some people can't make a responsible decision right? You don't have any friends that have been taken for a ride by a boyfriend or girlfriend? Despite their age? Do you think Donald sterling can make an informed decision when a twenty something fashion model offers to pretend to love him for his money? Really?
WSS
"Some people?" Most kids won't make responsible decisions when left to their own devices. Maybe one or two in a hundred.
"Some people?" Most kids won't make responsible decisions when left to their own devices. Maybe one or two in a hundred.
Well what's the ratio from 18 to 30? Maybe 5 or 6 in 100? Would we be better if you raise that age to 25 like running for Senate?
But aside from societal indignation what are the consequences to making the wrong decision?
WSS
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And yes, it's the same arguments year after year, month after month, week after week, day after day, because there are some seriously stubborn people on both sides who have the means to pedal the same nonsense to rile up the base, meaning that nothing is ever agreed upon.
American politics has become so firmly entrenched in the "us or them" mentality that even things that should be unilaterally supported - funding for schools, hospitals or whatever - get divided up in to "there's too many freeloaders, the liberals are trying to make this a socialist/communist state" versus "all the christian right just want to keep the rich rich" or whatever lame arguments are in vogue at the time.
Nobody can reach across the aisle and get something done.
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"Some people?" Most kids won't make responsible decisions when left to their own devices. Maybe one or two in a hundred.
Well what's the ratio from 18 to 30? Maybe 5 or 6 in 100? Would we be better if you raise that age to 25 like running for Senate?
But aside from societal indignation what are the consequences to making the wrong decision?
WSS
Well what's the ratio from 18 to 30? Maybe 5 or 6 in 100? Would we be better if you raise that age to 25 like running for Senate?
But aside from societal indignation what are the consequences to making the wrong decision?
WSS
Apart from the mental and possibly physical damage? OK, suspending reality to call it a 'victimless crime' - should a crime only be a crime if it's victimless? Like trespassing, gambling, speeding, smoking weed, gay marriage, things like that?
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So here's something to think about. I'm assuming each of us masturbated for the first time in our early teens.
What was your very first fantasy? Magazine picture? One of your teachers? A girl in school? (if it's something really really kinky you don't have to tell us
)Did that experience warp your mind? Did it create psychological damage that you live with to this day? Seriously tell me why or why not.
(keep in mind your fantasy with the teacher or the magazine model or the classmate would be considered illegal)
Honest answers only
WSS
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Well I do believe it's true. And I am being the devil's advocate because it pisses me off as much as it would any of you patriarchal types. But I'm smart enough to see that correlation.
And whether the arguments are bullshit or not no one has been able to dispute a single one without using some ridiculous consent excuse.
Did you ever see the island of dr. Moreau? Or read the HG Wells book?
WSS
PS we all make the same arguments over and over and over year after year
I've literally just disputed it without using the consent excuse, ~five posts ago, and you agreed that ~three posts ago?
Perhaps disputed is the wrong term. Yes you did disputed but you did not disprove it. I agreed with the fact that it pisses me off as well not that it's based in any kind of scientific or natural reality.I've literally just disputed it without using the consent excuse, ~five posts ago, and you agreed that ~three posts ago?
WSS
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Well what's the ratio from 18 to 30? Maybe 5 or 6 in 100? Would we be better if you raise that age to 25 like running for Senate?
But aside from societal indignation what are the consequences to making the wrong decision?
WSS
Apart from the mental and possibly physical damage? OK, suspending reality to call it a 'victimless crime' - should a crime only be a crime if it's victimless? Like trespassing, gambling, speeding, smoking weed, gay marriage, things like that?
Physical damage is a completely different thing. Should a man with a large penis face criminal charges for marrying a small woman? Nobody should hurt anybody for fucks sake. And the psychological damage??? That's because puritanical society will hound her like the Sisters of Magdalena.Apart from the mental and possibly physical damage? OK, suspending reality to call it a 'victimless crime' - should a crime only be a crime if it's victimless? Like trespassing, gambling, speeding, smoking weed, gay marriage, things like that?
WSS
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And yes, it's the same arguments year after year, month after month, week after week, day after day, because there are some seriously stubborn people on both sides who have the means to pedal the same nonsense to rile up the base, meaning that nothing is ever agreed upon.
American politics has become so firmly entrenched in the "us or them" mentality that even things that should be unilaterally supported - funding for schools, hospitals or whatever - get divided up in to "there's too many freeloaders, the liberals are trying to make this a socialist/communist state" versus "all the christian right just want to keep the rich rich" or whatever lame arguments are in vogue at the time.
Nobody can reach across the aisle and get something done.
And yes, it's the same arguments year after year, month after month, week after week, day after day, because there are some seriously stubborn people on both sides who have the means to pedal the same nonsense to rile up the base, meaning that nothing is ever agreed upon.
American politics has become so firmly entrenched in the "us or them" mentality that even things that should be unilaterally supported - funding for schools, hospitals or whatever - get divided up in to "there's too many freeloaders, the liberals are trying to make this a socialist/communist state" versus "all the christian right just want to keep the rich rich" or whatever lame arguments are in vogue at the time.
Nobody can reach across the aisle and get something done.
Which I assume has been the case from the time there were 5 caveman arguing over a piece of brontosaurus meat. Sorry that revelation shocked you.
WSS
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