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  • I did watch the video. They were heavy handed with the old lady, and probably overzealous in taking the guns from everybody. But, I suspect they basically declared marshal law, given the amount of looting. I don't really know enough about the situation to comment. Do you know if the people of NO now have the right to their guns again? Of course, it's difficult to return the guns to the owners, since they weren't registered... 😉

    Also, just to clarify, while the mayor was a democrat, that was under a republican government.

  • reposting what Cal posted:

    What are some examples of where gun registration lead to gun confiscation?

    let's see...New Zealand, 1921 the ownership of revolvers were allowed in the name of personal defense, 1970s this list was used to confiscate all revolvers.

    Canada...registration list 1990s, old guns grandfathered in, but this list is used for the state to confiscate the guns upon the death of the holder with no compensation to the estate

    1996 Australia used it's list of registered semiauto hunting rifles to confiscate all those weapons.

    The UK government instituted handgun registration in 1921, and about every 10 years or so they further restrict what can be owned and use the registration rolls to collect what is illegal.

    How about Chicago, put in registration of long guns, used that same registration to confiscate semiauto long guns in the early 1990s

    What about California, couldn't make up it's mind if the SKS was covered or not (1989), decided AFTER the registration period was closed that they needed to be registered, declared a second 'grace period' for registration...then about 5 years ago they decided that those SKSs registered during the grace period were illegal because the grace period was illegal, and in certain cities and counties sent law enforcement to the listed addresses demanding surrender of the firearm. Because there is the legal option of removing the gun from the state of CA, and these officers had no warrants, smart gun owners turned them away with the claim 'I gave it to a relative in Oregon (or whatever)' but MANY were seized with no compensation. (Cities and counties later on offered compensation for anyone who had a receipt, but the police weren't giving out receipts, only a few people who demanded them had them and they were basically notes scribbled on whatever spare paper the officer had)

    Side Note, the SKS was the MOST common weapon in the hands of Korean Shop Owners who used them to defend themselves and businesses when the LA riots happened.

  • The Korean shop owners should have defended their businesses by sending out strongly worded letters and waiting for the non-existent police presence to arrive.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    The Korean shop owners should have defended their businesses by sending out strongly worded letters and waiting for the non-existent police presence to arrive.

    I don't understand why so many people aren't getting this. Did the police stop or in many cases even try to defend the businesses in Ferguson or Balitimore?

    You also had the riots in England a few years ago where thugs ran the streets for a few days terrorizing the citizens until police finally got the situation under control. But until the police got things under control you had citizens unable to defend themselves.

  • Chris - martial law was NEVER declared - that is a federal thing, and

    the Gov wouldn't let the feds help. Refused to let the Red Cross help.

    She declared a state of emergency, and did it all on her own, and it blew up

    in her face.

  • And how different was it compared to the baltimore and ferguson riots? Where people were presumably armed and able to defend themselves? Not very is the answer.

  • What I read in Ferguson and Baltimore were business owners calling police and the police not responding to help. I did not read of any shop keepers standing armed at their stores like the LA riots where Korean business owners did and they saved their businesses from being looted and destroyed.

  • And 35 people were shot and killed in those riots, compared to about 3 in total over London, Baltimore and Ferguson, where shopkeepers weren't acting as vigilantes.

  • @oldbrownsfan said:

    And let's ask those people if they'd rather be dead.

  • @oldbrownsfan said:

    And let's ask those people if they'd rather be dead.

    @gftchris said:

    And let's ask those people if they'd rather be dead.

    Or we could ask them if they would have liked to be able to defend themselves.

  • @oldbrownsfan said:

    And let's ask those people if they'd rather be dead.

    @gftchris said:

    And let's ask those people if they'd rather be dead.

    I would rather ask them if they were allowed to have conceal carry weapons to defend themselves

    You were ahead of me logic.

  • I know I prefer having the ability to be responsible for my own safety and not have to depend upon the timeliness of a police officer.

  • Remember this one Chris

  • Police have no legal duty to respond and prevent crime or protect the victim. There have BEEN OVER 10 various supreme and state court cases the individual has never won. Notably, the Supreme Court STATED about the responsibility of police for the security of your family and loved ones is "You, and only you, are responsible for your security and the security of your family and loved ones. That was the essence of a U.S. Supreme Court decision in the early 1980's when they ruled that the police do not have a duty to protect you as an individual, but to protect society as a whole."

  • @clevfan4life said:

    This was culturally decided between men and women long ago. If you ever had a young daughter and came home to find a grown man sticking is cock in her but she swore she consented, you'd still kill the guy. I hope that happens to you in your next life.

    Well what you hope for doesn't concern me much, since you are such an unmitigated asshole but you are correct. The only reason that's a taboo is because it pisses you off. Just like homosexuality pisses some people off. If you came home and found you are 30 year old wife in bed with another man you'd probably kill him. Or her or want to.

    Why? The Bible says so?

    So should that be illegal?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    . The only reason that's a taboo is because it pisses you off. Just like homosexuality pisses some people off.

    I'm sorry you must understand i'm hailing you from another planet and sometimes the connection is iffy, did you just say pedophilia is taboo because it pisses people off? And that consenting sex between two adults of the same gender must be viewed as the same because some people are pissed off by that? Did I really read that correct?

  • @gftchris said:

    Apart from the mental and possibly physical damage? OK, suspending reality to call it a 'victimless crime' - should a crime only be a crime if it's victimless? Like trespassing, gambling, speeding, smoking weed, gay marriage, things like that?

    Physical damage is a completely different thing. Should a man with a large penis face criminal charges for marrying a small woman? Nobody should hurt anybody for fucks sake. And the psychological damage??? That's because puritanical society will hound her like the Sisters of Magdalena.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Physical damage is a completely different thing. Should a man with a large penis face criminal charges for marrying a small woman? Nobody should hurt anybody for fucks sake. And the psychological damage??? That's because puritanical society will hound her like the Sisters of Magdalena.

    WSS

    Did she marry a man with a large penis by choice or was she forced? See these really aren't that hard. Of course you're flailing all over the place, my god I mean all over the place now sex with children is all relative cause we let two gays marry...but seriously this is getting old? If a woman wants to marry a man with a large penis....there's probably a good reason for that huh? Gee what would that be?

  • So here's something to think about. I'm assuming each of us masturbated for the first time in our early teens.

    What was your very first fantasy? Magazine picture? One of your teachers? A girl in school? (if it's something really really kinky you don't have to tell us 😉 )

    Did that experience warp your mind? Did it create psychological damage that you live with to this day? Seriously tell me why or why not.

    (keep in mind your fantasy with the teacher or the magazine model or the classmate would be considered illegal)

    Honest answers only

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So here's something to think about. I'm assuming each of us masturbated for the first time in our early teens.

    What was your very first fantasy? Magazine picture? One of your teachers? A girl in school? (if it's something really really kinky you don't have to tell us 😉 )

    Did that experience warp your mind? Did it create psychological damage that you live with to this day? Seriously tell me why or why not.

    (keep in mind your fantasy with the teacher or the magazine model or the classmate would be considered illegal)

    Honest answers only

    WSS

    So a 2nd grader beating off to one of his cute classmates should be a punishable offense? Are you honestly making the argument that if a grown man can't have sex with a 2nd grader than neither should young boys her age? Look if I had an 8 year old and she had sex with another 8 year old boy, I would "very" upset...but mainly with myself because it showcased a major deficiency in my up bringing of her. A grown man having sex with my 8 year old daughter is a reflection on that man however. You seem to have trouble grasping this. Why?

  • @westside-steve said:

    . The only reason that's a taboo is because it pisses you off. Just like homosexuality pisses some people off.

    I'm sorry you must understand i'm hailing you from another planet and sometimes the connection is iffy, did you just say pedophilia is taboo because it pisses people off? And that consenting sex between two adults of the same gender must be viewed as the same because some people are pissed off by that? Did I really read that correct?

    @clevfan4life said:

    I'm sorry you must understand i'm hailing you from another planet and sometimes the connection is iffy, did you just say pedophilia is taboo because it pisses people off? And that consenting sex between two adults of the same gender must be viewed as the same because some people are pissed off by that? Did I really read that correct?

    Apparently English is not the first language on the planet you're calling from. Sex with a prepubescent child is pedophilia. It's most certainly an unnatural fetish. Disagree?

    WSS

  • @gftchris said:

    Difference being, in your pointless analogy, the cavemen would have agreed that killing the brontosaurus for its meat was a good thing. Today you'd have one side saying "one of those brontosaurus' trampled some guy I'm vaguely related to, we must hunt down and kill every single brontosaurus" with the other saying "but we can just survive on berries, we don't need to kill *any* brontosaurus"

    Charge WSS with a pointless analogy then expand on it? Way to take a stand.

    Stuart said:

    Charge WSS with a pointless analogy then expand on it? Way to take a stand.

    Your life is pointless, want me to expand on that? I can. I'm here for you bro. You can always count on me to expand ad infinitum to you how useless, meaningless and pointless your existence is.

  • @westside-steve said:

    So here's something to think about. I'm assuming each of us masturbated for the first time in our early teens.

    What was your very first fantasy? Magazine picture? One of your teachers? A girl in school? (if it's something really really kinky you don't have to tell us 😉 )

    Did that experience warp your mind? Did it create psychological damage that you live with to this day? Seriously tell me why or why not.

    (keep in mind your fantasy with the teacher or the magazine model or the classmate would be considered illegal)

    Honest answers only

    WSS

    So a 2nd grader beating off to one of his cute classmates should be a punishable offense? Are you honestly making the argument that if a grown man can't have sex with a 2nd grader than neither should young boys her age? Look if I had an 8 year old and she had sex with another 8 year old boy, I would "very" upset...but mainly with myself because it showcased a major deficiency in my up bringing of her. A grown man having sex with my 8 year old daughter is a reflection on that man however. You seem to have trouble grasping this. Why?

    @clevfan4life said:

    So a 2nd grader beating off to one of his cute classmates should be a punishable offense? Are you honestly making the argument that if a grown man can't have sex with a 2nd grader than neither should young boys her age? Look if I had an 8 year old and she had sex with another 8 year old boy, I would "very" upset...but mainly with myself because it showcased a major deficiency in my up bringing of her. A grown man having sex with my 8 year old daughter is a reflection on that man however. You seem to have trouble grasping this. Why?

    I'd se 2nd grade is a little young for beating off but its your own logic that says its fucked up to beat off thinking of an adult which would be illegal. Is it or not?

    WSS