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2015 Browns' D: Time to Put Up or Shut Up -plus- O'Neil's Career Path

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  • Tour2ma Tour2maT In Memoriam Dedicated Conversation Starter Reacting Well Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done Very Popular
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    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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    With so many assets in place, it's put up or shut up time for Cleveland Browns' defense

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/07/with_so_many_assets_in_place_i.html

    Tad longer than most articles, but a good read and worth a click...

    Here's one late exerpt about our DC that I don't want anyone to miss:

    "O'Neil is a former nose guard at Towson University who used to start a brawl at the beginning of spring football campaigns to let the offense know "who runs the show." His energy is infectious."

    The above college comment includes an embedded link to this January article also by Reed that I don't remember seeing:

    How Jim O'Neil went from 'meathead' college player to Cleveland Browns' energetic defensive coordinator

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/01/jim_oneil_cleveland_browns.html

    It's an even better read...

    Here's how that article starts:

    "Browns defensive coordinator Jim O'Neil and his wife, Stacy, used to head butt each other as student-athletes at Towson University.

    (later followed by)

    Asked if they still head-butt each other, she added: 'Only after a few drinks.' "

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    • The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
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      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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      What a guy!

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        T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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        Thank God he's on the D. Otherwise JF would be tempted to compete in that drinking/head butting contest.

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          Yeah I thought we didn't like guys with anything but choir boy personalities?

          That wife-headbutt thing is really weird.

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            F Frenchie wrote on last edited by
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            Good article, and I have to agree - its put-up time for this D. It has flirted with an identity for the last few years but has rarely put together a string of strong games. I like what I see on paper and if Tank Carder / Scott Solomon descriptions are accurate, We have two (or more) quality players at each position. Probably the deepest we've been since the new era began.

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              Yeah I thought we didn't like guys with anything but choir boy personalities?

              That wife-headbutt thing is really weird.

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              miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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              @wargograw said:

              Yeah I thought we didn't like guys with anything but choir boy personalities?

              well if you mean stop acting like an asshole and start acting like a choir boy when you are out and about and under a microscope....then yeah. learn the playbook and be a demon on the field. but above all: learn the playbook.

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                Yeah I thought we didn't like guys with anything but choir boy personalities?

                That wife-headbutt thing is really weird.

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                D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by D Bone
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                @wargograw said:

                Yeah I thought we didn't like guys with anything but choir boy personalities?

                Tough guys are always welcome. Now punks on the other hand...........

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                  @wargograw said:

                  Yeah I thought we didn't like guys with anything but choir boy personalities?

                  Tough guys are always welcome. Now punks on the other hand...........

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                  MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                  @d-bone said:

                  Tough guys are always welcome. Now punks on the other hand...........

                  Ha!....exactly......

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                    W wargograw wrote on last edited by wargograw
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                    Yeah that's all good and well except the discussion was based on things on the field. I put head butting your own wife or intentionally "starting brawls" with your own teammates more in the Retard category than flicking people off but I suppose I'm not abreast of the nuanced standards around here.

                    To put my understanding here in simple terms:

                    Fight starter-tough guy/welcomed

                    Fight winner-punk

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                      tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                      Yeah, because I'm sure Jim headbutts his wife literally.

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                        What was/is it then? A head tap? A rhetorical head butt? An argument? If so, why is it relevant to his "tough guy" persona? Why is it mentioned next to him being a "meathead" and starting brawls? My best friend and I argue a lot because we love politics. He might even say we "butt heads." I must be a really tough guy!

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                          What was/is it then? A head tap? A rhetorical head butt? An argument? If so, why is it relevant to his "tough guy" persona? Why is it mentioned next to him being a "meathead" and starting brawls? My best friend and I argue a lot because we love politics. He might even say we "butt heads." I must be a really tough guy!

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                          miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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                          @wargograw said:

                          What was/is it then? A head tap? A rhetorical head butt? An argument? If so, why is it relevant to his "tough guy" persona? Why is it mentioned next to him being a "meathead" and starting brawls? My best friend and I argue a lot because we love politics. He might even say we "butt heads." I must be a really tough guy!

                          ok. now you are anti o'neil because he gets support from fans who otherwise would criticize manziel for what you think is the same behavior? why are you so friggin defensive?

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                            What was/is it then? A head tap? A rhetorical head butt? An argument? If so, why is it relevant to his "tough guy" persona? Why is it mentioned next to him being a "meathead" and starting brawls? My best friend and I argue a lot because we love politics. He might even say we "butt heads." I must be a really tough guy!

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                            T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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                            @wargograw said:

                            My best friend and I argue a lot because we love politics.

                            Sicko. LOL! I bet you like Rick Perry too. 😛 😛

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                              What was/is it then? A head tap? A rhetorical head butt? An argument? If so, why is it relevant to his "tough guy" persona? Why is it mentioned next to him being a "meathead" and starting brawls? My best friend and I argue a lot because we love politics. He might even say we "butt heads." I must be a really tough guy!

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                              Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                              @wargograw said:

                              I must be a really tough guy!

                              Nah... just a killjoy.

                              One person figured out how to both mature and retain an infectious personality while carving out a promising NFL career. That's the story here.

                              You should hope that your maligned, fellow former does half as well...

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                                W wargograw wrote on last edited by wargograw
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                                Well. I did. And that's the point. I said I hoped he was good and had the same flair, because it is fun to watch. I was promptly treated to lectures about how choir boys are better and nobody likes a hothead. But in our DC (someone whom we like and don't criticize just to criticize) it's all the rage!!

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                                  Well. I did. And that's the point. I said I hoped he was good and had the same flair, because it is fun to watch. I was promptly treated to lectures about how choir boys are better and nobody likes a hothead. But in our DC (someone whom we like and don't criticize just to criticize) it's all the rage!!

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                                  miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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                                  @wargograw said:

                                  Well. I did. And that's the point. I said I hoped he was good and had the same flair, because it is fun to watch. I was promptly treated to lectures about how choir boys are better and nobody likes a hothead. But in our DC (someone whom we like and don't criticize just to criticize) it's all the rage!!

                                  wrong!

                                  we'd had loved it (and still will) if he had the fire and smack talk and could get it done on the field. too bad he looked like a little kid in a grown-up sport when trying to play in the nfl last year. it was really sad AND hard to watch.

                                  hey, he could always be a qb coach. HA!!

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                                    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                    Gotta lot of JFF haters on here obviously.

                                    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                                      Gotta lot of JFF haters on here obviously.

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                                      miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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                                      @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                      Gotta lot of JFF haters on here obviously.

                                      nah, don't hate him, just disappointed so far.

                                      farmer's first draft and the guys in the later rounds out-performed the 2 first round picks in gilbert and manziel. just tired of wasted picks. the sit on the bench and learn bullshit is done and gone IMO in the nfl. what, we've had one qb in the past 10 years that has actually done that in rodgers? 2 years tops. show us what you got or get to steppin.

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                                        @wargograw said:

                                        Well. I did. And that's the point. I said I hoped he was good and had the same flair, because it is fun to watch. I was promptly treated to lectures about how choir boys are better and nobody likes a hothead. But in our DC (someone whom we like and don't criticize just to criticize) it's all the rage!!

                                        wrong!

                                        we'd had loved it (and still will) if he had the fire and smack talk and could get it done on the field. too bad he looked like a little kid in a grown-up sport when trying to play in the nfl last year. it was really sad AND hard to watch.

                                        hey, he could always be a qb coach. HA!!

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                                        @miktoxic said:

                                        wrong!

                                        we'd had loved it (and still will) if he had the fire and smack talk and could get it done on the field. too bad he looked like a little kid in a grown-up sport when trying to play in the nfl last year. it was really sad AND hard to watch.

                                        hey, he could always be a qb coach. HA!!

                                        Ok well then you and I are in agreement. But I was berated for suggesting as much on another thread.

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                                          JAFBFJ JAFBF wrote on last edited by
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                                          The more I think about, the more I'm undecided on our D this year :

                                          Taylor's status coming back from two injuries last year has me questioning if he'll even be available for TC, plus it raises pretty big durability questions.

                                          Shelton ?

                                          Is he the real deal or another swing and miss we're so prone too, and is he healthy/durable ?

                                          We lost Rubin, Sheard (?), and Skrine that I can think of - their replacements are question marks (ability wise) to me right now.

                                          Gilbert I'm hoping the switch gets/has gotten flipped, but I think I saw a blurb where he was having to take care of a "personal" issue again - which is what sank him last year.

                                          I like Dansby, but he's getting up there in years for the position he plays.

                                          Gibson came in injured after holding out and recovering from the knee injury last year . . . so WTF?

                                          Kirksey and Mingo I really hope start pulling it together, and I'm cutting Mingo slack since he was playing with one good arm last year.

                                          If we can get a handle on our Run D and maintain our Pass D we might be looking at something

                                          Sorry to sound like such a downer or rain on people's parade, but we've been sold a lousy Bill of goods about an awesome Defense too many times for me to keep buying it.

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