Minimum wage hike already backfiring
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Not to be bickersome but even though your commission percent is set the Commission salesmen might be happy enough to sell you a basic order of widgets while the enterprising fellow might try to boost that a few percent or entice you to buy a couple orders of specially made washers for those widgets.
I worked for a short time as a commission salesman any music shop.
One example there was that you didn't get any commission on accessories like pics or strings or guitar straps etc. Therefore nobody bothered to try to add those things on to a sale and strings, for example, are a relatively high profit sale as a percentage of cost. I personally didn't like the Commission system but some guys really hustled. They would keep a log book of every customer that they spoke to and about what. One reason for that is that customer came in during the salesman's day off he could show the manager it was his regular customer. I never bothered and never liked the hard sell so I'm assuming that guy was a better salesman than me.
Also it's becoming more and more prevalent over here that your meals are brought by food runners rather than your actual server. For what it's worth.
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One thing that always astounds me is the concept of paying waiters super-low wages to force them to rely on tips, which in turn forces them to be super polite to customers - as if they wouldn't be nice normally? I'm sure plenty of people are naturally dicks (exhibits A through Z on here
) but guess what, they're not cut out for service.Making sure that everyone has a decent living wage not dependent on the kindness of strangers - which will fluctuate wildly with the general economy - does not seem like a bad thing. Cooks, potwashers etc., do these guys get tips, btw?
All that being said, literally every American I know will complain about the standard of service in the UK compared to the US, so maybe you're on to something.
One thing that always astounds me is the concept of paying waiters super-low wages to force them to rely on tips, which in turn forces them to be super polite to customers - as if they wouldn't be nice normally? I'm sure plenty of people are naturally dicks (exhibits A through Z on here
) but guess what, they're not cut out for service.Making sure that everyone has a decent living wage not dependent on the kindness of strangers - which will fluctuate wildly with the general economy - does not seem like a bad thing. Cooks, potwashers etc., do these guys get tips, btw?
All that being said, literally every American I know will complain about the standard of service in the UK compared to the US, so maybe you're on to something.
If I didn't have to rely on tips to put me through college I would have a completely different tone with my customers. Have 1000 questions over the menu while I have 2 other tables waiting to order?
Tipped server: smile and nod while patiently answering questions.
Untipped: half assed answers or putting the order off entirely while taking care of other tables.
Just once I wish I could go Untipped and speak my mind to some of the assholes who walk in the door.. but for now I think I'll just smile and nod.
I'm sure anyone who has worked the service industry understands.
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I worked at a wine bar in high school. Smaller place, so I was a busboy that served as well. I hate drunk people.
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I worked at a wine bar in high school. Smaller place, so I was a busboy that served as well. I hate drunk people.
I worked at a wine bar in high school. Smaller place, so I was a busboy that served as well. I hate drunk people.
They are the worst. Sometimes entertaining but typically unpleasant.
Don't get me started on the canadians.
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I worked in a pub, same deal.
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Me personally, I like being a tipped employee. Of course I look forward to starting my career soon but I have a pretty nice job for a student. I serve at the montgomery inn right on the waterfront in cincy. Typical clients range from everyday tourists to celebrities. I waited on pete rose and Ken Griffey Jr over allstar weekend. Most clients tip appropriately and the food is not cheap. On average I make around 25/hour pre-tax and I hardly have to work hard.
Screw 15/hour I would rather let 7 years in the food industry allow me to get a good job. Started as a dish-bitch for danny boys pizza at the age of 14 and worked my way up to a server at a great establishment. Maybe some of these people may take a hint and try it sometime.. you know.. actually working for something instead of expecting handouts.
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So you would also eliminate all commission sales positions? Think that would work well? No more quarters for production either? No more bonuses?
WSS
Commission is not the same as tips. Our sales team doesn't secure its 5% commission on a $1m deal, then the buyer chucks in an extra $200k because the sales guy was super smiley.
I'd like to see that if nobody tips - which is largely out of the control of the waiter - the waiter still can afford to eat and stuff.
Commission is not the same as tips. Our sales team doesn't secure its 5% commission on a $1m deal, then the buyer chucks in an extra $200k because the sales guy was super smiley.
I'd like to see that if nobody tips - which is largely out of the control of the waiter - the waiter still can afford to eat and stuff.
In Japan tipping is a no no, and the sales/wait staff people are super polite. Wages for these jobs are not high.
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Commission is not the same as tips. Our sales team doesn't secure its 5% commission on a $1m deal, then the buyer chucks in an extra $200k because the sales guy was super smiley.
I'd like to see that if nobody tips - which is largely out of the control of the waiter - the waiter still can afford to eat and stuff.
In Japan tipping is a no no, and the sales/wait staff people are super polite. Wages for these jobs are not high.
In Japan tipping is a no no, and the sales/wait staff people are super polite. Wages for these jobs are not high.
In my experience everyone in Japan, or at least from Japan, is polite. Unlike East Cleveland...
WSS
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In Japan tipping is a no no, and the sales/wait staff people are super polite. Wages for these jobs are not high.
In my experience everyone in Japan, or at least from Japan, is polite. Unlike East Cleveland...
WSS
In my experience everyone in Japan, or at least from Japan, is polite. Unlike East Cleveland...
WSS
Perhaps those people haven't all been taught that they're precious flowers whose violent and aggressive outbursts are just because they aren't being challenged enough.
In Japan tipping is a no no, and the sales/wait staff people are super polite. Wages for these jobs are not high.
Throughout east/south-east asia in my experience.
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Literally everyone against this ridiculous notion of doubling the minimum wage tried to tell it's deluded supporters this but no one wanted to listen
Literally everyone against this ridiculous notion of doubling the minimum wage tried to tell it's deluded supporters this but no one wanted to listen
the solutions of which for instance - can be shown in the brief moment of time last spring when the dropping fuel prices at the pump
gave people more money to spend elsewhere.
seems like the liberal minds think the money tap works best by taking it from tax revenue and giving it out
without helping the businesses do what they can do best by creating the revenue in the first place.
this result was predicted. thanks obama
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In my experience everyone in Japan, or at least from Japan, is polite. Unlike East Cleveland...
WSS
Perhaps those people haven't all been taught that they're precious flowers whose violent and aggressive outbursts are just because they aren't being challenged enough.
In Japan tipping is a no no, and the sales/wait staff people are super polite. Wages for these jobs are not high.
Throughout east/south-east asia in my experience.
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I meant more about the tipping, but yeah usually very friendly. Only exception being the chinese - it's not like they're rude, if you understand the situation. For them it's about volume, so if you're taking 10 minutes to make up your mind they'll give you some shit.
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I meant more about the tipping, but yeah usually very friendly. Only exception being the chinese - it's not like they're rude, if you understand the situation. For them it's about volume, so if you're taking 10 minutes to make up your mind they'll give you some shit.
I meant more about the tipping, but yeah usually very friendly. Only exception being the chinese - it's not like they're rude, if you understand the situation. For them it's about volume, so if you're taking 10 minutes to make up your mind they'll give you some shit.
Yes, that post should have been a response to Steves.
In my experience everyone in Japan, or at least from Japan, is polite.
WSS
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Not to be bickersome but even though your commission percent is set the Commission salesmen might be happy enough to sell you a basic order of widgets while the enterprising fellow might try to boost that a few percent or entice you to buy a couple orders of specially made washers for those widgets.
I worked for a short time as a commission salesman any music shop.
One example there was that you didn't get any commission on accessories like pics or strings or guitar straps etc. Therefore nobody bothered to try to add those things on to a sale and strings, for example, are a relatively high profit sale as a percentage of cost. I personally didn't like the Commission system but some guys really hustled. They would keep a log book of every customer that they spoke to and about what. One reason for that is that customer came in during the salesman's day off he could show the manager it was his regular customer. I never bothered and never liked the hard sell so I'm assuming that guy was a better salesman than me.
Also it's becoming more and more prevalent over here that your meals are brought by food runners rather than your actual server. For what it's worth.
WSS
What music shop did you work? I frequent Sams on Mayfield a lot. Great selection.Not to be bickersome but even though your commission percent is set the Commission salesmen might be happy enough to sell you a basic order of widgets while the enterprising fellow might try to boost that a few percent or entice you to buy a couple orders of specially made washers for those widgets.
I worked for a short time as a commission salesman any music shop.
One example there was that you didn't get any commission on accessories like pics or strings or guitar straps etc. Therefore nobody bothered to try to add those things on to a sale and strings, for example, are a relatively high profit sale as a percentage of cost. I personally didn't like the Commission system but some guys really hustled. They would keep a log book of every customer that they spoke to and about what. One reason for that is that customer came in during the salesman's day off he could show the manager it was his regular customer. I never bothered and never liked the hard sell so I'm assuming that guy was a better salesman than me.
Also it's becoming more and more prevalent over here that your meals are brought by food runners rather than your actual server. For what it's worth.
WSS
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So you would also eliminate all commission sales positions? Think that would work well? No more quarters for production either? No more bonuses?
WSS
Commission is not the same as tips. Our sales team doesn't secure its 5% commission on a $1m deal, then the buyer chucks in an extra $200k because the sales guy was super smiley.
I'd like to see that if nobody tips - which is largely out of the control of the waiter - the waiter still can afford to eat and stuff.
Commission is not the same as tips. Our sales team doesn't secure its 5% commission on a $1m deal, then the buyer chucks in an extra $200k because the sales guy was super smiley.
I'd like to see that if nobody tips - which is largely out of the control of the waiter - the waiter still can afford to eat and stuff.
what kind of sales are you in chris?
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Commission is not the same as tips. Our sales team doesn't secure its 5% commission on a $1m deal, then the buyer chucks in an extra $200k because the sales guy was super smiley.
I'd like to see that if nobody tips - which is largely out of the control of the waiter - the waiter still can afford to eat and stuff.
what kind of sales are you in chris?
what kind of sales are you in chris?
I'm not in sales directly, though I have done the odd demo. I work for a financial services/software company.
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ahh, k
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What music shop did you work? I frequent Sams on Mayfield a lot. Great selection.Not to be bickersome but even though your commission percent is set the Commission salesmen might be happy enough to sell you a basic order of widgets while the enterprising fellow might try to boost that a few percent or entice you to buy a couple orders of specially made washers for those widgets.
I worked for a short time as a commission salesman any music shop.
One example there was that you didn't get any commission on accessories like pics or strings or guitar straps etc. Therefore nobody bothered to try to add those things on to a sale and strings, for example, are a relatively high profit sale as a percentage of cost. I personally didn't like the Commission system but some guys really hustled. They would keep a log book of every customer that they spoke to and about what. One reason for that is that customer came in during the salesman's day off he could show the manager it was his regular customer. I never bothered and never liked the hard sell so I'm assuming that guy was a better salesman than me.
Also it's becoming more and more prevalent over here that your meals are brought by food runners rather than your actual server. For what it's worth.
WSS
Stuart said:
What music shop did you work? I frequent Sams on Mayfield a lot. Great selection.
Akron music.
Montrose I only worked when somebody needed a day off and Cuyahoga Falls in the midst 19 eighties part time for a while.
Way before Sam Ash and Guitar Center.
WSS
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Umm duh.
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