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  • W Westside Steve

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    In Japan tipping is a no no, and the sales/wait staff people are super polite. Wages for these jobs are not high.

    In my experience everyone in Japan, or at least from Japan, is polite. Unlike East Cleveland...

    WSS

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    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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    @westside-steve said:

    In my experience everyone in Japan, or at least from Japan, is polite. Unlike East Cleveland...

    WSS

    Perhaps those people haven't all been taught that they're precious flowers whose violent and aggressive outbursts are just because they aren't being challenged enough.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    In Japan tipping is a no no, and the sales/wait staff people are super polite. Wages for these jobs are not high.

    Throughout east/south-east asia in my experience.

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      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/22/seattle-sees-fallout-from-15-minimum-wage-as-other-cities-follow-suit/

      Literally everyone against this ridiculous notion of doubling the minimum wage tried to tell it's deluded supporters this but no one wanted to listen

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      @the-cysko-kid said:

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/22/seattle-sees-fallout-from-15-minimum-wage-as-other-cities-follow-suit/

      Literally everyone against this ridiculous notion of doubling the minimum wage tried to tell it's deluded supporters this but no one wanted to listen

      the solutions of which for instance - can be shown in the brief moment of time last spring when the dropping fuel prices at the pump

      gave people more money to spend elsewhere.

      seems like the liberal minds think the money tap works best by taking it from tax revenue and giving it out

      without helping the businesses do what they can do best by creating the revenue in the first place.

      this result was predicted. thanks obama

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        @westside-steve said:

        In my experience everyone in Japan, or at least from Japan, is polite. Unlike East Cleveland...

        WSS

        Perhaps those people haven't all been taught that they're precious flowers whose violent and aggressive outbursts are just because they aren't being challenged enough.

        @diehardbrownsfan said:

        In Japan tipping is a no no, and the sales/wait staff people are super polite. Wages for these jobs are not high.

        Throughout east/south-east asia in my experience.

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        StinkHoleS StinkHole wrote on last edited by
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        @gftchris said:

        Throughout east/south-east asia in my experience.

        Yes, Korea, Hong Kong.

        Been to Bangkok as well...super polite and friendly, I mean super super friendly. If you know what I mean. 😛

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          gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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          I meant more about the tipping, but yeah usually very friendly. Only exception being the chinese - it's not like they're rude, if you understand the situation. For them it's about volume, so if you're taking 10 minutes to make up your mind they'll give you some shit.

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            I meant more about the tipping, but yeah usually very friendly. Only exception being the chinese - it's not like they're rude, if you understand the situation. For them it's about volume, so if you're taking 10 minutes to make up your mind they'll give you some shit.

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            StinkHoleS StinkHole wrote on last edited by
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            @gftchris said:

            I meant more about the tipping, but yeah usually very friendly. Only exception being the chinese - it's not like they're rude, if you understand the situation. For them it's about volume, so if you're taking 10 minutes to make up your mind they'll give you some shit.

            Yes, that post should have been a response to Steves.

            @westside-steve said:

            In my experience everyone in Japan, or at least from Japan, is polite.

            WSS

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            • W Westside Steve

              Not to be bickersome but even though your commission percent is set the Commission salesmen might be happy enough to sell you a basic order of widgets while the enterprising fellow might try to boost that a few percent or entice you to buy a couple orders of specially made washers for those widgets.

              I worked for a short time as a commission salesman any music shop.

              One example there was that you didn't get any commission on accessories like pics or strings or guitar straps etc. Therefore nobody bothered to try to add those things on to a sale and strings, for example, are a relatively high profit sale as a percentage of cost. I personally didn't like the Commission system but some guys really hustled. They would keep a log book of every customer that they spoke to and about what. One reason for that is that customer came in during the salesman's day off he could show the manager it was his regular customer. I never bothered and never liked the hard sell so I'm assuming that guy was a better salesman than me.

              Also it's becoming more and more prevalent over here that your meals are brought by food runners rather than your actual server. For what it's worth.

              WSS

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              StinkHoleS StinkHole wrote on last edited by
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              @westside-steve said:

              Not to be bickersome but even though your commission percent is set the Commission salesmen might be happy enough to sell you a basic order of widgets while the enterprising fellow might try to boost that a few percent or entice you to buy a couple orders of specially made washers for those widgets.

              I worked for a short time as a commission salesman any music shop.

              One example there was that you didn't get any commission on accessories like pics or strings or guitar straps etc. Therefore nobody bothered to try to add those things on to a sale and strings, for example, are a relatively high profit sale as a percentage of cost. I personally didn't like the Commission system but some guys really hustled. They would keep a log book of every customer that they spoke to and about what. One reason for that is that customer came in during the salesman's day off he could show the manager it was his regular customer. I never bothered and never liked the hard sell so I'm assuming that guy was a better salesman than me.

              Also it's becoming more and more prevalent over here that your meals are brought by food runners rather than your actual server. For what it's worth.

              WSS

              What music shop did you work? I frequent Sams on Mayfield a lot. Great selection.
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                @westside-steve said:

                So you would also eliminate all commission sales positions? Think that would work well? No more quarters for production either? No more bonuses?

                WSS

                Commission is not the same as tips. Our sales team doesn't secure its 5% commission on a $1m deal, then the buyer chucks in an extra $200k because the sales guy was super smiley.

                I'd like to see that if nobody tips - which is largely out of the control of the waiter - the waiter still can afford to eat and stuff.

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                C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                @gftchris said:

                Commission is not the same as tips. Our sales team doesn't secure its 5% commission on a $1m deal, then the buyer chucks in an extra $200k because the sales guy was super smiley.

                I'd like to see that if nobody tips - which is largely out of the control of the waiter - the waiter still can afford to eat and stuff.

                what kind of sales are you in chris?

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                  @gftchris said:

                  Commission is not the same as tips. Our sales team doesn't secure its 5% commission on a $1m deal, then the buyer chucks in an extra $200k because the sales guy was super smiley.

                  I'd like to see that if nobody tips - which is largely out of the control of the waiter - the waiter still can afford to eat and stuff.

                  what kind of sales are you in chris?

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                  gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                  @clevfan4life said:

                  what kind of sales are you in chris?

                  I'm not in sales directly, though I have done the odd demo. I work for a financial services/software company.

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                    C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                    ahh, k

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                      @westside-steve said:

                      Not to be bickersome but even though your commission percent is set the Commission salesmen might be happy enough to sell you a basic order of widgets while the enterprising fellow might try to boost that a few percent or entice you to buy a couple orders of specially made washers for those widgets.

                      I worked for a short time as a commission salesman any music shop.

                      One example there was that you didn't get any commission on accessories like pics or strings or guitar straps etc. Therefore nobody bothered to try to add those things on to a sale and strings, for example, are a relatively high profit sale as a percentage of cost. I personally didn't like the Commission system but some guys really hustled. They would keep a log book of every customer that they spoke to and about what. One reason for that is that customer came in during the salesman's day off he could show the manager it was his regular customer. I never bothered and never liked the hard sell so I'm assuming that guy was a better salesman than me.

                      Also it's becoming more and more prevalent over here that your meals are brought by food runners rather than your actual server. For what it's worth.

                      WSS

                      What music shop did you work? I frequent Sams on Mayfield a lot. Great selection.
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                      W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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                      Stuart said:

                      What music shop did you work? I frequent Sams on Mayfield a lot. Great selection.

                      Akron music.

                      Montrose I only worked when somebody needed a day off and Cuyahoga Falls in the midst 19 eighties part time for a while.

                      Way before Sam Ash and Guitar Center.

                      WSS

                      www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
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                        AxeA Axe wrote on last edited by
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                        http://rightwingnews.com/technology/tech-company-develops-robots-to-take-the-place-of-15-an-hr-workers-video/

                        Our musical works to date http://www.arielsatticmusic.com/
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                          Legacy FanL Legacy Fan wrote on last edited by
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                          Umm duh.

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                            MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                            Sounds fine. Jobs in manufacturing, research, development, engineering, etc

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                              Ok some minimum wage employees might be able to eventually take jobs in manufacturing, development and engineering but let's get real. The majority of adult mcdonalds workers would not have been able to keep their shit together enough to successfully enter the actual work force.

                              Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                                MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                Oh, no. I didn't mean they were moving from one to another. I was just saying some of those jobs were being created

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                                  T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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                                  What I'm getting at is that you're permanently putting those people out of one of their few suitable job opportunities.

                                  Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                                    Although I'd rather have my fast food prepared by a robot than by a low class person to be honest.

                                    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                                      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                      Natural evolution of things. I'm sure our country has had similar things happen in the past due to technology

                                      We just need to make the education and training they need more easily available

                                      Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                                        A lot of them are just unfit and no amount of tech school will fix that.

                                        Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                                          Natural evolution of things. I'm sure our country has had similar things happen in the past due to technology

                                          We just need to make the education and training they need more easily available

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                                          @mld-woody said:

                                          Natural evolution of things. I'm sure our country has had similar things happen in the past due to technology

                                          We just need to make the education and training they need more easily available

                                          Just because the education and training is available, doesn't mean people have the ability to use it and understand it. Or the want and desire to better themselves

                                          "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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