Jonathan Paul Manziel
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i was arguing with some JF fag on google+ all weekend on a browns post.
I know it's a tad dull around here, mik, but Jeesus...
Looks like the Texans have the same plan that we do.....ha!
Same general approach anyway, but very different realizations.
Texans' D is built front to back; the opposite of ours.
Their D is more "star driven".
On the other side of the ball:
They may have the best LT you've never heard of, but otherwise have a pretty average O-line.
Good collection of RBs, but led by a bona fide star in Arian Foster. Problem is AF gets hurt every other year and he was healthy last year.
I know it's a tad dull around here, mik, but Jeesus...
Same general approach anyway, but very different realizations.
Texans' D is built front to back; the opposite of ours.
Their D is more "star driven".
On the other side of the ball:
They may have the best LT you've never heard of, but otherwise have a pretty average O-line.
Good collection of RBs, but led by a bona fide star in Arian Foster. Problem is AF gets hurt every other year and he was healthy last year.
They also have a legit WR in DeAndre Hopkins.
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Hello Browns fans!
My name's Alan and im a Buffalo Bills fan that lives in Rochester, NY - where they hold their training camp. I was also a big fan of Johnny Manziel coming out of A&M. I'll be attending one of the Bills/Browns joint practices. I'm hoping I could maybe get an autograph by Johnny Football.
I know training camp autographs are very hit or miss. But I was wondering if anyone here knew if he signed after practices last season often or at all? I'm just trying to gauge if there's even a possibility.
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this or not. Being new I didn't want to post new threads unnecessarily. On a side note - I wanted to say that i've always felt like the Bills and Browns are sort of like cousins in a way and I always pull for you guys when they aren't playing the Bills. Good luck this season!
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Hello Browns fans!
My name's Alan and im a Buffalo Bills fan that lives in Rochester, NY - where they hold their training camp. I was also a big fan of Johnny Manziel coming out of A&M. I'll be attending one of the Bills/Browns joint practices. I'm hoping I could maybe get an autograph by Johnny Football.
I know training camp autographs are very hit or miss. But I was wondering if anyone here knew if he signed after practices last season often or at all? I'm just trying to gauge if there's even a possibility.
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this or not. Being new I didn't want to post new threads unnecessarily. On a side note - I wanted to say that i've always felt like the Bills and Browns are sort of like cousins in a way and I always pull for you guys when they aren't playing the Bills. Good luck this season!
On a side note - I wanted to say that i've always felt like the Bills and Browns are sort of like cousins in a way and I always pull for you guys when they aren't playing the Bills. Good luck this season!
me too. the buffalo/cleveland connection seems to me to be a new rivalry in the making if the nfl played their cards right. both are on the lake and on I-90.... a better travel than cleveland to pittstank if you ask me.
there are a couple of bills fans that show up here every year to boast about their team and yada yada and some came to see if manziel was the real deal.
i say manziel has as good a shot as being an elite QB in the league as watkins does as a WR.
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On a side note - I wanted to say that i've always felt like the Bills and Browns are sort of like cousins in a way and I always pull for you guys when they aren't playing the Bills. Good luck this season!
me too. the buffalo/cleveland connection seems to me to be a new rivalry in the making if the nfl played their cards right. both are on the lake and on I-90.... a better travel than cleveland to pittstank if you ask me.
there are a couple of bills fans that show up here every year to boast about their team and yada yada and some came to see if manziel was the real deal.
i say manziel has as good a shot as being an elite QB in the league as watkins does as a WR.
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On a side note - I wanted to say that i've always felt like the Bills and Browns are sort of like cousins in a way and I always pull for you guys when they aren't playing the Bills. Good luck this season!
me too. the buffalo/cleveland connection seems to me to be a new rivalry in the making if the nfl played their cards right. both are on the lake and on I-90.... a better travel than cleveland to pittstank if you ask me.
there are a couple of bills fans that show up here every year to boast about their team and yada yada and some came to see if manziel was the real deal.
i say manziel has as good a shot as being an elite QB in the league as watkins does as a WR.
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just a smarmy remark to rile up an opposing fan (besides, he's new here so gotta give him a little taste of what he's in store for). i was laughing as i typed it.
Haha I kinda gave it a raised eyebrow when I read it and thought that maybe you're a huge Manziel fan with a lot of faith.
Sammy Watkins is damn special. Unfortunately - the guys throwing him the ball aren't. I have this nagging fear that he'll get tired of ODB getting all the press and want out if they can't get a halfway decent QB by the start of next season.
But that's probably just my Buffalo fan inferiority complex talking. I hope...
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As to the Manziel autograph I would refer you to the guy who pestered him for one for 4 freakin' hours before finally getting a water bottle thrown his way. He also recently had an autograph session in College Station that cost you over a hundred bucks to stand in line for two hours, so outlook not so good. However if you happen to be a kid with cancer you have a good chance of him bringing you to a game along with anything you want signed. Or if you are challenged intellectually Joe Haden could get one from him for you.
Or just be a Bills fan and watch this before seeing Haden.
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just a smarmy remark to rile up an opposing fan (besides, he's new here so gotta give him a little taste of what he's in store for). i was laughing as i typed it.
Haha I kinda gave it a raised eyebrow when I read it and thought that maybe you're a huge Manziel fan with a lot of faith.
Sammy Watkins is damn special. Unfortunately - the guys throwing him the ball aren't. I have this nagging fear that he'll get tired of ODB getting all the press and want out if they can't get a halfway decent QB by the start of next season.
But that's probably just my Buffalo fan inferiority complex talking. I hope...
Sammy Watkins is damn special.
i guess. all i know is there were (and still are) a lot of disgruntled browns fans pissed that we didn't take him in the draft. thing is, adding a star WR to a team w/o a QB is like buying sprinkles for an ice cream cone....w/o an ice cream cone.
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Stupid discussion. Buffalo needs a QB before Watkins has a prayer.
Wide receivers are shiny hood ornaments.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Stupid discussion. Buffalo needs a QB before Watkins has a prayer.
Wide receivers are shiny hood ornaments.
Stupid discussion. Buffalo needs a QB before Watkins has a prayer.
and an OL before a franchise QB.
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Stupid discussion. Buffalo needs a QB before Watkins has a prayer.
Wide receivers are shiny hood ornaments.
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As to the Manziel autograph I would refer you to the guy who pestered him for one for 4 freakin' hours before finally getting a water bottle thrown his way. He also recently had an autograph session in College Station that cost you over a hundred bucks to stand in line for two hours, so outlook not so good. However if you happen to be a kid with cancer you have a good chance of him bringing you to a game along with anything you want signed. Or if you are challenged intellectually Joe Haden could get one from him for you.
Or just be a Bills fan and watch this before seeing Haden.
As to the Manziel autograph I would refer you to the guy who pestered him for one for 4 freakin' hours before finally getting a water bottle thrown his way.
I heard about that incident and thought I might be setting myself up for some ribbing even asking the question. But I think there's a difference between hounding a guy during the offseason in the middle of a golf game and a sanctioned Browns function where players often sign.
Thanks for the advice. I just have to let Jimmy punch me in the face and/or get over Novocaine'd and i'll be all set!
Stupid discussion. Buffalo needs a QB before Watkins has a prayer.
Wide receivers are shiny hood ornaments.
and an OL before a franchise QB.
... and a good HC..
Ha!.....and even with these needs, they were nice enough to give us Mike Pettine and Cam Erving.....Danka!
I definitely agree that having Watkins without a halfway decent QB in place isn't a good look. They severely overestimated EJ Manuel from Day 1. I just hope they can create an offense under this new staff that can allow one of them to have at least an average year.
But Buffalo doesn't have a need at Center - Eric Wood is solid. They needed two new Guard's, which they got in Richie Incognito and John Miller. And even without a solid QB - I think most Bills fans wouldn't trade Sammy Watkins for Justin Gilbert and Cameron Erving.
Funny to see Rex trashed and Pettine praised as well. Pettine was Rex's understudy and is known for his defense - which is Rex's defense with a little tweaking. I liked Pettine when he was in Buffalo. But i'd rather have Rex.
I don't think my team's a Super Bowl contender or anything. But I don't think they're as bad off as the above posts would seem.
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They were a bottom 5 run blocking OL in the league.
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As to the Manziel autograph I would refer you to the guy who pestered him for one for 4 freakin' hours before finally getting a water bottle thrown his way.
I heard about that incident and thought I might be setting myself up for some ribbing even asking the question. But I think there's a difference between hounding a guy during the offseason in the middle of a golf game and a sanctioned Browns function where players often sign.
Thanks for the advice. I just have to let Jimmy punch me in the face and/or get over Novocaine'd and i'll be all set!
Stupid discussion. Buffalo needs a QB before Watkins has a prayer.
Wide receivers are shiny hood ornaments.
and an OL before a franchise QB.
... and a good HC..
Ha!.....and even with these needs, they were nice enough to give us Mike Pettine and Cam Erving.....Danka!
I definitely agree that having Watkins without a halfway decent QB in place isn't a good look. They severely overestimated EJ Manuel from Day 1. I just hope they can create an offense under this new staff that can allow one of them to have at least an average year.
But Buffalo doesn't have a need at Center - Eric Wood is solid. They needed two new Guard's, which they got in Richie Incognito and John Miller. And even without a solid QB - I think most Bills fans wouldn't trade Sammy Watkins for Justin Gilbert and Cameron Erving.
Funny to see Rex trashed and Pettine praised as well. Pettine was Rex's understudy and is known for his defense - which is Rex's defense with a little tweaking. I liked Pettine when he was in Buffalo. But i'd rather have Rex.
I don't think my team's a Super Bowl contender or anything. But I don't think they're as bad off as the above posts would seem.
I heard about that incident and thought I might be setting myself up for some ribbing even asking the question. But I think there's a difference between hounding a guy during the offseason in the middle of a golf game and a sanctioned Browns function where players often sign.
Thanks for the advice. I just have to let Jimmy punch me in the face and/or get over Novocaine'd and i'll be all set!
I definitely agree that having Watkins without a halfway decent QB in place isn't a good look. They severely overestimated EJ Manuel from Day 1. I just hope they can create an offense under this new staff that can allow one of them to have at least an average year.
But Buffalo doesn't have a need at Center - Eric Wood is solid. They needed two new Guard's, which they got in Richie Incognito and John Miller. And even without a solid QB - I think most Bills fans wouldn't trade Sammy Watkins for Justin Gilbert and Cameron Erving.
Funny to see Rex trashed and Pettine praised as well. Pettine was Rex's understudy and is known for his defense - which is Rex's defense with a little tweaking. I liked Pettine when he was in Buffalo. But i'd rather have Rex.
I don't think my team's a Super Bowl contender or anything. But I don't think they're as bad off as the above posts would seem.
i think we might all agree that who ever has been in charge recently for the bills has done a great job of building that team, especially on defense. and the fact that pettine was a part of that building phase gives us browns fans more resolve that things are going the right way here. the acquisition of shady is another feather in your caps but for the life of me (without googling it) i don't know who you have starting at QB this year. i think the bills and the browns missed out a couple of years ago on alex smith. we might not have been ready then but last year he might have made all the difference in the world to take you guys over the top.
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As to the Manziel autograph I would refer you to the guy who pestered him for one for 4 freakin' hours before finally getting a water bottle thrown his way.
I heard about that incident and thought I might be setting myself up for some ribbing even asking the question. But I think there's a difference between hounding a guy during the offseason in the middle of a golf game and a sanctioned Browns function where players often sign.
Thanks for the advice. I just have to let Jimmy punch me in the face and/or get over Novocaine'd and i'll be all set!
Stupid discussion. Buffalo needs a QB before Watkins has a prayer.
Wide receivers are shiny hood ornaments.
and an OL before a franchise QB.
... and a good HC..
Ha!.....and even with these needs, they were nice enough to give us Mike Pettine and Cam Erving.....Danka!
I definitely agree that having Watkins without a halfway decent QB in place isn't a good look. They severely overestimated EJ Manuel from Day 1. I just hope they can create an offense under this new staff that can allow one of them to have at least an average year.
But Buffalo doesn't have a need at Center - Eric Wood is solid. They needed two new Guard's, which they got in Richie Incognito and John Miller. And even without a solid QB - I think most Bills fans wouldn't trade Sammy Watkins for Justin Gilbert and Cameron Erving.
Funny to see Rex trashed and Pettine praised as well. Pettine was Rex's understudy and is known for his defense - which is Rex's defense with a little tweaking. I liked Pettine when he was in Buffalo. But i'd rather have Rex.
I don't think my team's a Super Bowl contender or anything. But I don't think they're as bad off as the above posts would seem.
... I think most Bills fans wouldn't trade Sammy Watkins for Justin Gilbert and Cameron Erving.
Funny to see Rex trashed and Pettine praised as well. Pettine was Rex's understudy and is known for his defense - which is Rex's defense with a little tweaking. I liked Pettine when he was in Buffalo. But i'd rather have Rex.
I'll take Pet's steady resolve over Rex's bombast any day of the week.
Rex is a chip off the old block... and the old block, Buddy, was as toxic of a personality as the NFL has seen. That's my issue with Rex. He seemed a bit chastened in his last weeks with NYJ. If that sticks, then maybe, just maybe he will succeed with the Bills. But the set-up is just too similar... Sooner or later his mouth is going to overload his ass while his rose-colored cornea fail to see team flaws.
Enjoy 2015... If Rex holds form it'll be one of your more successful seasons under him.
As for your trade analysis...
Based upon production to date it's hard to argue against it...
But I was one of the bigger Sammie backers here...
Right up until Khalil Mack was available at four.
However, the book has just closed on the deal...
It'll be fun to revisit its impact in 2016 and 2017.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
... I think most Bills fans wouldn't trade Sammy Watkins for Justin Gilbert and Cameron Erving.
Funny to see Rex trashed and Pettine praised as well. Pettine was Rex's understudy and is known for his defense - which is Rex's defense with a little tweaking. I liked Pettine when he was in Buffalo. But i'd rather have Rex.
I'll take Pet's steady resolve over Rex's bombast any day of the week.
Rex is a chip off the old block... and the old block, Buddy, was as toxic of a personality as the NFL has seen. That's my issue with Rex. He seemed a bit chastened in his last weeks with NYJ. If that sticks, then maybe, just maybe he will succeed with the Bills. But the set-up is just too similar... Sooner or later his mouth is going to overload his ass while his rose-colored cornea fail to see team flaws.
Enjoy 2015... If Rex holds form it'll be one of your more successful seasons under him.
As for your trade analysis...
Based upon production to date it's hard to argue against it...
But I was one of the bigger Sammie backers here...
Right up until Khalil Mack was available at four.
However, the book has just closed on the deal...
It'll be fun to revisit its impact in 2016 and 2017.
I'll take Pet's steady resolve over Rex's bombast any day of the week.
Enjoy 2015... If Rex holds form it'll be one of your more successful seasons under him.
As for your trade analysis.......the book has just closed on the deal......It'll be fun to revisit its impact in 2016 and 2017.
Pretty much sums it up....the Ryan boys just seem like weirdos to me....
My opinions on Pettine are more based upon his leadership skills and the professional-winning mentality(& culture?) he has brought to the team.....not his defensive strategy....so, while he might have come from Ryans system, he surely didnt gain his character & professional calm demeanor from him....
All I see is Pettines team just getting better, while I cant say the same for what happened in NY....
We all have our opinions, but only time will tell......
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But Buffalo doesn't have a need at Center - Eric Wood is solid. They needed two new Guard's, which they got in Richie Incognito and John Miller. And even without a solid QB - I think most Bills fans wouldn't trade Sammy Watkins for Justin Gilbert and Cameron Erving.
This pretty much remains to be seen. Gilbert didn't have a good first year....but seems to be improving. Erving hasn't played an NFL down yet...so that is clearly up in the air.
As for Watkins.....looks good....but so did Braylon Edwards, drafted even higher than Watkins. So for all we know Watkins could be the second coming of Braylon. Not saying it will happen....but it could.
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i don't get why the nfl doesn't schedule buffalo vs. cleveland every year in what would become 'the battle of lake erie' rivalry. blue collar vs. blue collar.
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