Justin Gilbert
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Gilbert is reminding me of an episode of "Everybody Loves Raymond".
Ray's brother was getting married, and Ray gave him some advice on what he did when he got married.
He said to screw up so much, that she won't ask you to do all this getting ready for the wedding stuff.
And his brother did, except Ray's Wife found out.
Gilbert seems to be that guy. Screwing up coverages so he won't have to start. He certainly didn't play like
he has no clue when he was college.......
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All this leaves Gilbert twisting in the wind a bit, exacerbating the negative attention surrounding him after he was disciplined by the team on multiple occasions during the year, with a penchant for missing or being late to team meetings.He plays like he's upset he isn't allowed to be late or missteam meetings like he did in college.
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These things snowball. Especially for the highly touted guys. Continually ragging on them ensures they're going to bust. That's my opinion. If fans just take a wait and see approach then you are more likely to see him succeed.
These things snowball. Especially for the highly touted guys. Continually ragging on them ensures they're going to bust. That's my opinion. If fans just take a wait and see approach then you are more likely to see him succeed.
Ahhh, the poor little fella. Maybe we should all send him Valentines Day candies wrapped in a "You're doing great" ribbon.
BTW, that +1 rep on your post is from me when I accidentally hit it instead of 'quote' - you're welcome
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Remember this?"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Remember this?
Manziel:gilbert.jpgRemember this?Still a better draft than 2012.
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Remember this?Manziel:gilbert.jpgRemember this?
Pick your poison:
Luckily ... in between, there was Mingo! Franchise savior.
Z
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If he's getting scorched like he is... Stop rewarding the play by letting him play with the first team. IMO, the coaching staff isn't doing him any favors by letting him play. They are rewarding the draft pick and not the drafted player.
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only way to get better is to practice. maybe this is the 'do or die' evaluation pettine and co. are putting him through? i mean they are still trying to figure out their depth charts.
also he's prob getting time with the ones because everyone else is not playing or suiting up for these preseason games.
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only way to get better is to practice. maybe this is the 'do or die' evaluation pettine and co. are putting him through? i mean they are still trying to figure out their depth charts.
also he's prob getting time with the ones because everyone else is not playing or suiting up for these preseason games.
only way to get better is to practice. maybe this is the 'do or die' evaluation pettine and co. are putting him through? i mean they are still trying to figure out their depth charts.
also he's prob getting time with the ones because everyone else is not playing or suiting up for these preseason games.
Haden, Desir and K. Williams are not practising for various reasons - even if Gilbert is #5 on the depth chart, that still puts him as the starter today.
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I think the good news in all this is that Pettine has consistently shown he's going to play the best players on the team. If Gilbert keeps it up at the rate he's going (and IMO he looked awful in the first preseason game) I know Pettine won't cave to having the 1st rounder in there. Thank goodness we have a lot of quality depth at the position, but at this point make him a KR and let the better guys on the team get reps.
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Duh..Put him on the bench.
....thats where he is.....and has been the whole time......duh
These things snowball. Especially for the highly touted guys. Continually ragging on them ensures they're going to bust. That's my opinion. If fans just take a wait and see approach then you are more likely to see him succeed.
Ahhhh....but he was dumb enough to go and get himself drafted in the top 10.....thats his fault.....so now, he gets what he deserves....
Seriously tho......Your point rings true...because this "terrible" practice is strangely following on the heels of that game where he made a couple bad plays, then was roasted for a week because of it.....looks like his confidence took another serious hit this week.....
If he's getting scorched like he is... Stop rewarding the play by letting him play with the first team. IMO, the coaching staff isn't doing him any favors by letting him play. They are rewarding the draft pick and not the drafted player.
I dont see that at all.....if they were rewarding the draft pick, wouldnt he be starting?......how is sitting on the bench for a year a reward?
Bottom line, while he isnt doing well, he is still better than those behind him......
The only way to improve is reps....so, I say play him as much as possible during preseason.....nothing to lose and a lot to gain....
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Manziel:gilbert.jpgRemember this?
Pick your poison:
Luckily ... in between, there was Mingo! Franchise savior.
Z
Zombo said:
Pick your poison:
Luckily ... in between, there was Mingo! Franchise savior.
Z
No, luckily we have Danny Shelton and Cam Erving. I mean, its not possible that the Browns could blow 7 consecutive first round picks, is it?
By the way.....Mingo is listed at third string OLB on the Ourlads depth chart....behind Scott Solomon and undrafted FA Mike Reilly.
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Zombo said:
Pick your poison:
Luckily ... in between, there was Mingo! Franchise savior.
Z
No, luckily we have Danny Shelton and Cam Erving. I mean, its not possible that the Browns could blow 7 consecutive first round picks, is it?
By the way.....Mingo is listed at third string OLB on the Ourlads depth chart....behind Scott Solomon and undrafted FA Mike Reilly.
By the way.....Mingo is listed at third string OLB on the Ourlads depth chart....behind Scott Solomon and undrafted FA Mike Reilly.
Only because he's injured.......the injured players are listed last on that chart....Desir, Duke, Mingo, Bowe, Pryor, Winn, etc etc
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Duh..Put him on the bench.
....thats where he is.....and has been the whole time......duh
These things snowball. Especially for the highly touted guys. Continually ragging on them ensures they're going to bust. That's my opinion. If fans just take a wait and see approach then you are more likely to see him succeed.
Ahhhh....but he was dumb enough to go and get himself drafted in the top 10.....thats his fault.....so now, he gets what he deserves....
Seriously tho......Your point rings true...because this "terrible" practice is strangely following on the heels of that game where he made a couple bad plays, then was roasted for a week because of it.....looks like his confidence took another serious hit this week.....
If he's getting scorched like he is... Stop rewarding the play by letting him play with the first team. IMO, the coaching staff isn't doing him any favors by letting him play. They are rewarding the draft pick and not the drafted player.
I dont see that at all.....if they were rewarding the draft pick, wouldnt he be starting?......how is sitting on the bench for a year a reward?
Bottom line, while he isnt doing well, he is still better than those behind him......
The only way to improve is reps....so, I say play him as much as possible during preseason.....nothing to lose and a lot to gain....
....thats where he is.....and has been the whole time......duh
Ahhhh....but he was dumb enough to go and get himself drafted in the top 10.....thats his fault.....so now, he gets what he deserves....
Seriously tho......Your point rings true...because this "terrible" practice is strangely following on the heels of that game where he made a couple bad plays, then was roasted for a week because of it.....looks like his confidence took another serious hit this week.....
I dont see that at all.....if they were rewarding the draft pick, wouldnt he be starting?......how is sitting on the bench for a year a reward?
Bottom line, while he isnt doing well, he is still better than those behind him......
The only way to improve is reps....so, I say play him as much as possible during preseason.....nothing to lose and a lot to gain....
2014 Gilbert
14 games | 2 starts | 1 INT | 8 Passes defensed | 25 Tackles | 2 Approximate Season Value
2014 Williams
13 games | 4 starts | 0 INT | 8 Passes defensed | 29 Tackles | 1 sack | 2 Approximate Season Value
How is he better than those behind him? Williams had nearly an identical season production-wise...and he didn't cost us a first round pick.
If Gilbert was better than those behind him, he'd be playing better than those behind him. But he's not.
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....thats where he is.....and has been the whole time......duh
Ahhhh....but he was dumb enough to go and get himself drafted in the top 10.....thats his fault.....so now, he gets what he deserves....
Seriously tho......Your point rings true...because this "terrible" practice is strangely following on the heels of that game where he made a couple bad plays, then was roasted for a week because of it.....looks like his confidence took another serious hit this week.....
I dont see that at all.....if they were rewarding the draft pick, wouldnt he be starting?......how is sitting on the bench for a year a reward?
Bottom line, while he isnt doing well, he is still better than those behind him......
The only way to improve is reps....so, I say play him as much as possible during preseason.....nothing to lose and a lot to gain....
2014 Gilbert
14 games | 2 starts | 1 INT | 8 Passes defensed | 25 Tackles | 2 Approximate Season Value
2014 Williams
13 games | 4 starts | 0 INT | 8 Passes defensed | 29 Tackles | 1 sack | 2 Approximate Season Value
How is he better than those behind him? Williams had nearly an identical season production-wise...and he didn't cost us a first round pick.
If Gilbert was better than those behind him, he'd be playing better than those behind him. But he's not.
How is he better than those behind him? Williams had nearly an identical season production-wise...and he didn't cost us a first round pick.
And everyone is raving about Williams....so, if they had identical seasons, how is one great while the other sucks?.....
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Ex-pec-ta-tions???
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Duh..Put him on the bench.
....thats where he is.....and has been the whole time......duh
These things snowball. Especially for the highly touted guys. Continually ragging on them ensures they're going to bust. That's my opinion. If fans just take a wait and see approach then you are more likely to see him succeed.
Ahhhh....but he was dumb enough to go and get himself drafted in the top 10.....thats his fault.....so now, he gets what he deserves....
Seriously tho......Your point rings true...because this "terrible" practice is strangely following on the heels of that game where he made a couple bad plays, then was roasted for a week because of it.....looks like his confidence took another serious hit this week.....
If he's getting scorched like he is... Stop rewarding the play by letting him play with the first team. IMO, the coaching staff isn't doing him any favors by letting him play. They are rewarding the draft pick and not the drafted player.
I dont see that at all.....if they were rewarding the draft pick, wouldnt he be starting?......how is sitting on the bench for a year a reward?
Bottom line, while he isnt doing well, he is still better than those behind him......
The only way to improve is reps....so, I say play him as much as possible during preseason.....nothing to lose and a lot to gain....
Seriously tho......Your point rings true...because this "terrible" practice is strangely following on the heels of that game where he made a couple bad plays, then was roasted for a week because of it.....looks like his confidence took another serious hit this week...
And maybe, just maybe that is by design? Break him down before build him up?
It's clear from the "flawless" comment that there's a reality gap. No doubt the staff has been telling him for over a year how to close it, but he's not gotten the message. Perhaps that is because he actually believes he's doing well, that he's improving. The latter being the message he has been getting from teammates.
Maybe now the approach is to let him fail big time, fail completely in situations that do not hurt the team in a last-ditch effort to try to get thru to him. Maybe even make him ask for help.
It's an approach that can't hurt...
... and it seems to be working with a certain young QB.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Seriously tho......Your point rings true...because this "terrible" practice is strangely following on the heels of that game where he made a couple bad plays, then was roasted for a week because of it.....looks like his confidence took another serious hit this week...
And maybe, just maybe that is by design? Break him down before build him up?
It's clear from the "flawless" comment that there's a reality gap. No doubt the staff has been telling him for over a year how to close it, but he's not gotten the message. Perhaps that is because he actually believes he's doing well, that he's improving. The latter being the message he has been getting from teammates.
Maybe now the approach is to let him fail big time, fail completely in situations that do not hurt the team in a last-ditch effort to try to get thru to him. Maybe even make him ask for help.
It's an approach that can't hurt...
... and it seems to be working with a certain young QB.
And maybe, just maybe that is by design? Break him down before build him up?
It's clear from the "flawless" comment that there's a reality gap. No doubt the staff has been telling him for over a year how to close it, but he's not gotten the message. Perhaps that is because he actually believes he's doing well, that he's improving. The latter being the message he has been getting from teammates.
Maybe now the approach is to let him fail big time, fail completely in situations that do not hurt the team in a last-ditch effort to try to get thru to him. Maybe even make him ask for help.
It's an approach that can't hurt...
... and it seems to be working with a certain young QB.
Wouldnt surprise me......I know Pettine and Rexy scripted most of the practice.....sooooo, maybe Rex is filling a request from his buddy....
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