PFF's Ranking the NFL Top Ten QB's
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Much as I hate it, Winston is prob gonna be good.
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They allow Luck to be sloppy in Indy.
Not sure about "allow", but the Colts have put the team on their QB's back to a greater degree... have ask him to win with less support... than any other NFL club. Same was true of Manning in his early Indy days.
Not sure about "allow", but the Colts have put the team on their QB's back to a greater degree... have ask him to win with less support... than any other NFL club. Same was true of Manning in his early Indy days.
Yeah I was just talking about that yesterday actually. That first round pick they made this year was one of the worst I've ever seen, and that's regardless of whether the kid pans out or not.
With the allow comment I just mean they put so much on his shoulders (as you said) and they also had the most passes thrown by a longshot last year, IIRC, which means Luck can afford to have a few terrible throws.
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Top 5 career passer rating leaders:
1. Rodgers
2. Romo
3. Manning
4. Young
5. Brady
Yeah, I would hate to be in that group. He's also 14th in career 4th quarter comebacks.
He lead the league in qbr last year and was a Dez Bryant "drop" away from playing Seattle in the nfc championship game. He did this with a back so bad he rarely practiced.
His back is much better this year, which is why I put him 3rd.
Only a sychophant homer would put Romo up there.
Only a sychophant homer would put Romo up there.
I wouldn't put him third, as ABF did, but I have him right after Roethlisberger. He's much better than you give him credit for.
Zombo's criticism of caring about quarterbacks is odd, although if the entire fanbase feels the same way then I suppose it's no wonder we've struggled so much there.
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Not sure about "allow", but the Colts have put the team on their QB's back to a greater degree... have ask him to win with less support... than any other NFL club. Same was true of Manning in his early Indy days.
Yeah I was just talking about that yesterday actually. That first round pick they made this year was one of the worst I've ever seen, and that's regardless of whether the kid pans out or not.
With the allow comment I just mean they put so much on his shoulders (as you said) and they also had the most passes thrown by a longshot last year, IIRC, which means Luck can afford to have a few terrible throws.
With the allow comment I just mean they put so much on his shoulders (as you said) and they also had the most passes thrown by a longshot last year, IIRC, which means Luck can afford to have a few terrible throws.
We always know what we mean when we type the words... it's stupid readers like me that can't get the message...
I wouldn't put him third, as ABF did, but I have him right after Roethlisberger. He's much better than you give him credit for.
Then Romo'd be third on our combined list since I have Ben behind the consensus #1, Rogers.
One under-respected QB I see as top five this year is Matty Ice. Had a great year last year and I think he is going to thrive under Young Shanny's PAP.
Also looking for Carson Palmer to have a great, top ten year. Ariens' and staff were near miraculous last year with a trio of lesser QBs.
If Palmer is in, then someone is out... looks to me like Newton.
I keep wondering when Peyton Manning's decline commences. Looks like 2015 is as any year for him to slide all the way to the bottom five.... of the top ten...
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Yeah I could see the Broncos offense being bad. Too many losses on the OL plus Julius. Or Peyton could be right back to his old self, he'll make a new elite TE out of some current scrub, and they're fine. Who knows.
Ben at 2. Wow. Pretty high my man. I think I had Ben at 5 when I made my list last season, but IIRC I way overrated Luck. I'm going to assume you don't like Brady as much as most. I just have to give him a ton of credit because his OL is not good at all, his receivers aren't good at all, same with his backs. Basically just he and Gronk, and he still dominates.
I do love me some Matty Ice. Time for him to build a resume. Great late steal for fantasy too.
Agree on Palmer.
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I think Brady and Belichick can wring more production out of less talent than any QB/HC combo in the league.
Since I was joking about Romo, Brady is my likely #3, but hard for me to put that fine of a point on a QB list. Plus I think Bill wants to revert to a running game this year... again... Whether they can successfully do so remains to be seen.
Ben's numbers will suffer early due to missing pieces, but once the suspensions are over...
I saw his Offense ending up second to Green Bay before Jordy went down... and while I still see GB on top, it could be closer than I thought.
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I got Romo about 15? Maybe a little higher.....that's it.
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I got Romo about 15? Maybe a little higher.....that's it.
I got Romo about 15? Maybe a little higher.....that's it.
This is just silly. In your first post, you said Romo "still mostly chokes". What games last season did he choke in?
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I got Romo about 15? Maybe a little higher.....that's it.
This is just silly. In your first post, you said Romo "still mostly chokes". What games last season did he choke in?
This is just silly. In your first post, you said Romo "still mostly chokes". What games last season did he choke in?
We are talking about a career, not just one season.
If we want to say who had the great seasons....then Derek Anderson could be on such a list.
And let's face it....maybe he didn't swallow so hard last year....but he still has the choker gene in him
As someone said: this will only end in heartache for you.
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Yeah, but Derek would not be on anyone's 2015 projection list... which is what I thought this thread was about.
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This is just silly. In your first post, you said Romo "still mostly chokes". What games last season did he choke in?
We are talking about a career, not just one season.
If we want to say who had the great seasons....then Derek Anderson could be on such a list.
And let's face it....maybe he didn't swallow so hard last year....but he still has the choker gene in him
As someone said: this will only end in heartache for you.
We are talking about a career, not just one season.
If we want to say who had the great seasons....then Derek Anderson could be on such a list.
And let's face it....maybe he didn't swallow so hard last year....but he still has the choker gene in him
As someone said: this will only end in heartache for you.
So even though you won't give me an example of him choking last season, you say he "still mostly chokes". Are you trolling? When you say stuff, it's easier to believe you when you can back it up with at least 1 fact or trend or piece of evidence.
The dude is 14th all-time in career 4th q comebacks. That number would be higher if it weren't for Dallas shitty defenses turning his comebacks into Stafford's/Eli's/Peyton's/etc. comebacks.
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I already said Johnny's the best college player I've ever seen, so yeah, he's better than McCarron, who played on a much better team with studs at every position 3-deep.
I already said Johnny's the best college player I've ever seen, so yeah, he's better than McCarron, who played on a much better team with studs at every position 3-deep.
Really? How old are you?
Zombo
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I already said Johnny's the best college player I've ever seen, so yeah, he's better than McCarron, who played on a much better team with studs at every position 3-deep.
Really? How old are you?
Zombo
Zombo said:
Really? How old are you?
Zombo
48. I've already given my reasons and admitted my bias. I've already admitted Johnny has looked bad as a pro.
Just remember, there was a reason for the over-the-top hype for him coming out of college.
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Zombo said:
Really? How old are you?
Zombo
48. I've already given my reasons and admitted my bias. I've already admitted Johnny has looked bad as a pro.
Just remember, there was a reason for the over-the-top hype for him coming out of college.
48. I've already given my reasons and admitted my bias. I've already admitted Johnny has looked bad as a pro.
Just remember, there was a reason for the over-the-top hype for him coming out of college.
Because he was an exciting little midget who lived like a rock star.
Best college player ever? OK ... you're opinion.
Z
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Yeah, but Derek would not be on anyone's 2015 projection list... which is what I thought this thread was about.
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We are talking about a career, not just one season.
If we want to say who had the great seasons....then Derek Anderson could be on such a list.
And let's face it....maybe he didn't swallow so hard last year....but he still has the choker gene in him
As someone said: this will only end in heartache for you.
So even though you won't give me an example of him choking last season, you say he "still mostly chokes". Are you trolling? When you say stuff, it's easier to believe you when you can back it up with at least 1 fact or trend or piece of evidence.
The dude is 14th all-time in career 4th q comebacks. That number would be higher if it weren't for Dallas shitty defenses turning his comebacks into Stafford's/Eli's/Peyton's/etc. comebacks.
So even though you won't give me an example of him choking last season, you say he "still mostly chokes". Are you trolling? When you say stuff, it's easier to believe you when you can back it up with at least 1 fact or trend or piece of evidence.
First....I am a Browns fan....and cannot troll on a Browns board.
Secondly....I posted my list of the Top QBs in the league somewhere above in that post. WTF is it about that list that you do not understand.
All the guys I named ahead of Romo are guys that I would rather have at QB for my team right now. Read it and weep.
(Would I rather have him at QB for the Browns than what we have? OK, sure....but that isn't saying much)
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48. I've already given my reasons and admitted my bias. I've already admitted Johnny has looked bad as a pro.
Just remember, there was a reason for the over-the-top hype for him coming out of college.
Because he was an exciting little midget who lived like a rock star.
Best college player ever? OK ... you're opinion.
Z
Zombo said:
Because he was an exciting little midget who lived like a rock star.
Best college player ever? OK ... you're opinion.
Z
Yea, and I think I already touched upon that elsewhere as well where off the top of my head I named about 20 others. (but I admit...I go back to the mid 60s)
For fun/flash/excitement....sure JMZ is up there.....but that criteria is different from being "the best".
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So even though you won't give me an example of him choking last season, you say he "still mostly chokes". Are you trolling? When you say stuff, it's easier to believe you when you can back it up with at least 1 fact or trend or piece of evidence.
First....I am a Browns fan....and cannot troll on a Browns board.
Secondly....I posted my list of the Top QBs in the league somewhere above in that post. WTF is it about that list that you do not understand.
All the guys I named ahead of Romo are guys that I would rather have at QB for my team right now. Read it and weep.
(Would I rather have him at QB for the Browns than what we have? OK, sure....but that isn't saying much)
So even though you won't give me an example of him choking last season, you say he "still mostly chokes". Are you trolling? When you say stuff, it's easier to believe you when you can back it up with at least 1 fact or trend or piece of evidence.
First....I am a Browns fan....and cannot troll on a Browns board.
Secondly....I posted my list of the Top QBs in the league somewhere above in that post. WTF is it about that list that you do not understand.
All the guys I named ahead of Romo are guys that I would rather have at QB for my team right now. Read it and weep.
(Would I rather have him at QB for the Browns than what we have? OK, sure....but that isn't saying much)
Your list is your list. Lists are always debetable. They are opinions. I'm fine with that. But your statement that Romo chokes is just wrong. I don't know how else to prove it wrong other than to show the numbers and history, which is what I've done.
The biggest game he lost was 2008 Giants in the playoffs. He did not choke that game. He played really well, but got the blame as qb. His receivers dropped 150 yards worth of passes, the defense made crucial mistakes at critical times, and his teammates got 15 penalties. He was running for his life most of the game, too, against a great Giants d-line, but I guess he should have blocked, tackled, and caught better in that game.
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I'm not saying he's perfect by any means. And I know he's made huge mistakes in 4th quarters, but what qb hasn't done that? The giants team that beat the cowboys in 2008 beat the Packers on an overtime fg, made after a Favre interception. Does that make Favre a choker?
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So even though you won't give me an example of him choking last season, you say he "still mostly chokes". Are you trolling? When you say stuff, it's easier to believe you when you can back it up with at least 1 fact or trend or piece of evidence.
First....I am a Browns fan....and cannot troll on a Browns board.
Secondly....I posted my list of the Top QBs in the league somewhere above in that post. WTF is it about that list that you do not understand.
All the guys I named ahead of Romo are guys that I would rather have at QB for my team right now. Read it and weep.
(Would I rather have him at QB for the Browns than what we have? OK, sure....but that isn't saying much)
Your list is your list. Lists are always debetable. They are opinions. I'm fine with that. But your statement that Romo chokes is just wrong. I don't know how else to prove it wrong other than to show the numbers and history, which is what I've done.
The biggest game he lost was 2008 Giants in the playoffs. He did not choke that game. He played really well, but got the blame as qb. His receivers dropped 150 yards worth of passes, the defense made crucial mistakes at critical times, and his teammates got 15 penalties. He was running for his life most of the game, too, against a great Giants d-line, but I guess he should have blocked, tackled, and caught better in that game.
Your list is your list. Lists are always debetable. They are opinions. I'm fine with that. But your statement that Romo chokes is just wrong. I don't know how else to prove it wrong other than to show the numbers and history, which is what I've done.
NO, that is just your opinion as well. He's a choker.
The biggest game he lost was 2008 Giants in the playoffs. He did not choke that game. He played really well, but got the blame as qb. His receivers dropped 150 yards worth of passes, the defense made crucial mistakes at critical times, and his teammates got 15 penalties. He was running for his life most of the game, too, against a great Giants d-line, but I guess he should have blocked, tackled, and caught better in that game.
I could go on and on and on. Tony Romo chokes is a cottage industry.
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