Browns Draft Strategy beginning in 2016

BaconHound

Evaluating right now Bitonio looks solid and I still don't want to give up on West but other than that nothing stellar. Kirksey has been ok. Gilbert and Manziel are horrible and Desir really hasn't played. The 2015 class hasn't played a down in the real NFL yet so not fair to evaluate them.

Browns149

Farmer refuses to draft WR's in a league that "WANTS" passing.

tiamat63

@browns149 said:
Farmer refuses to draft WR's in a league that "WANTS" passing.

In a league that also WANTS elite QB play. Drafting top 10 receivers and having a very average QB do not a good combination make.

BaconHound

@tiamat63 said:
In a league that also WANTS elite QB play. Drafting top 10 receivers and having a very average QB do not a good combination make.

Easier to get WRs than QBs

Browns149

@baconhound said:
Easier to get WRs than QBs

I agree.

Browns149

@tiamat63 said:
In a league that also WANTS elite QB play. Drafting top 10 receivers and having a very average QB do not a good combination make.

Drafting the #1 Qb with our Wr's isn't a good combo either

calfoxwc

You build the team around them, then get that elite qb,

and elite wr.

The Browns in years past have tried it the other way around.

It does not work.

WalterWhite

@calfoxwc said:

You build the team around them, then get that elite qb,

and elite wr.

The Browns in years past have tried it the other way around.

It does not work.

Not really man.

They tried building the team by drafting Brown, Warren, Edwards, Winslow, Faine, Greene, Wimbley, etc.

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@walterwhite said:

Not really man.

They tried building the team by drafting Brown, Warren, Edwards, Winslow, Faine, Greene, Wimbley, etc.

Who were all at the top of their classes coming out of college.

Hindsight is 20/20.

beare

they will go qb next year in draft the question is which 1 prob 3 big ten qbs go in top 10

Alkid3

@baconhound said:
Evaluating right now Bitonio looks solid and I still don't want to give up on West but other than that nothing stellar. Kirksey has been ok. Gilbert and Manziel are horrible and Desir really hasn't played. The 2015 class hasn't played a down in the real NFL yet so not fair to evaluate them.

Manziel is horrible after less than 16 games as a starter. Haha...

tiamat63

@baconhound said:
Easier to get WRs than QBs

I won't disagree, my point is why have a Ferrari when you can only drive during rush hour?

Having elite receivers but a QB that can't distribute the ball as effectively is a minimal return on investment at best.

Tour2ma

Hey, the Hope diamond is cursed too...

Farmer has clearly shown he has the people and process to evaluate talent and see it where others do not. Where his organization has missed to date is in evaluating desire/drive and introspection. Especially the latter lies in the first rounds of the draft.

Gilbert doesn't have introspection... may never have it.

Johnny did not have introspection... may have found it.

West appears to be too "content" to be great.

Tate appeared to have issues with insecurity... similar to introspection in that it's a personality thing.

It appears that it's hard to spot the lack of these qualities.

It has to be hard, really hard as the list of failures throughout the league is too long to list.

So in that light, Farmer's not looking too bad so far... If JM pulls through Farm has a shot at batting .750 in Round 1.

wargograw

BaconHound and whoever, the thing is our receivers are actually pretty good. And I'm gonna say this on every thread bashing them until they get their due credit.

I've been wanting to start a 2016 draft needs thread but i don't think anyone wants to discuss yet.

ballpeen

I wonder how many fans blew their choice on which jersey to buy? LOL

TexasAg1969

Next year use the Magic 8 Ball.

calfoxwc

Not really man.

They tried building the team by drafting Brown, Warren, Edwards, Winslow, Faine, Greene, Wimbley, etc. Walter

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"Number of offensive linemen drafted by the Browns since 1999: 10 — seven tackles (including Bitonio, who played tackle in college), eight guards and four centers.

Number of first-round offensive linemen since 1999: Three: One tackle (Thomas) and two centers (Mack and Jeff Faine)."

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/13053/browns-draft-trivia-offensive-line

In recent history, they have only drafted two offensive linemen in the first round, not including

last year, with Irving, who was a great pick.

Sure, Jeff Faine was a great pick - but he was drafted in 2003, and freakin traded to the Saints

in 2006. And the Browns signed Lecharles Bentley, who walked away from the Saints, and wouldn't

play for them anymore. We know how that went. Faine was great for the Saints.

And Joe Thomas was from 2007. Alex Mack - 2009

And Schwartz at right tackle, 2012, 2nd round. It took a long time to build this terrific offensive line.

BaconHound

@tiamat63 said:

I won't disagree, my point is why have a Ferrari when you can only drive during rush hour?

Having elite receivers but a QB that can't distribute the ball as effectively is a minimal return on investment at best.

I also agree but we keep drafting bums, Sammy Watkins or Justin Gilbert? Barkeivous Mingo?

I won't comment about Shelton but if he turns out to be a solid defensive lineman and not a real difference maker we'll chalk that up to another miss,

BaconHound

@wargograw said:

BaconHound and whoever, the thing is our receivers are actually pretty good. And I'm gonna say this on every thread bashing them until they get their due credit.

I've been wanting to start a 2016 draft needs thread but i don't think anyone wants to discuss yet.

We don't have a receiver on our roster that would be a number 1 on any other team except for possibly the Panthers because Benjamin got hurt. And on many teams Detroit, Indy, Giants, Broncos, etc wouldn't be their #2.

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@baconhound said:

We don't have a receiver on our roster that would be a number 1 on any other team except for possibly the Panthers because Benjamin got hurt. And on many teams Detroit, Indy, Giants, Broncos, etc wouldn't be their #2.

Dwayne Bowe would likely be a #1 for Jacksonville. Maybe New England, they like old former #1 WRs.

Pryor would be a #1 for any team. Wait and see.