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  • The problem actually is now that I have a trapped tendon that needs to be surgically corrected

  • Per a report I heard this morning: Johnny Football may not be on the 53 man roster starting day....he would be placed on one or another injury list.

    What say you all about that?

  • Per a report I heard this morning: Johnny Football may not be on the 53 man roster starting day....he would be placed on one or another injury list.

    What say you all about that?

    @the-gipper said:

    Per a report I heard this morning: Johnny Football may not be on the 53 man roster starting day....he would be placed on one or another injury list.

    What say you all about that?

    PUP list? That would mean he's out the first 6 weeks... I wouldn't care and hopefully that doesn't matter because we don't need to see our backup QB that early in the season...

  • Doesn't that mean a minimum of 6 weeks without being able to practice with the team?

    "Then there's the Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform List. If by the end of the preseason a player isn't medically cleared yet, he can be transferred to the Reserve/PUP, which prevents that player from playing and practicing during the first six weeks of the season -- however that player doesn't count against the 53-man roster. If the player isn't activated after the sixth week, the team has a three-week window to make a decision."

  • @the-gipper said:

    Per a report I heard this morning: Johnny Football may not be on the 53 man roster starting day....he would be placed on one or another injury list.

    What say you all about that?

    PUP list? That would mean he's out the first 6 weeks... I wouldn't care and hopefully that doesn't matter because we don't need to see our backup QB that early in the season...

    @thenew23 said:

    PUP list? That would mean he's out the first 6 weeks... I wouldn't care and hopefully that doesn't matter because we don't need to see our backup QB that early in the season...

    Unless of course our starting QB is hurt......and we damn near lost him a couple of times in this last game when he was hammered.

    So, yea, we would be in a world of hurt......JFF out on the PUP....McCown down with injury.....that leaves Thad Lewis and Pat Devlin

    Oy vey.

  • @thenew23 said:

    PUP list? That would mean he's out the first 6 weeks... I wouldn't care and hopefully that doesn't matter because we don't need to see our backup QB that early in the season...

    Unless of course our starting QB is hurt......and we damn near lost him a couple of times in this last game when he was hammered.

    So, yea, we would be in a world of hurt......JFF out on the PUP....McCown down with injury.....that leaves Thad Lewis and Pat Devlin

    Oy vey.

    @the-gipper said:

    Unless of course our starting QB is hurt......and we damn near lost him a couple of times in this last game when he was hammered.

    So, yea, we would be in a world of hurt......JFF out on the PUP....McCown down with injury.....that leaves Thad Lewis and Pat Devlin

    Oy vey.

    High draft pick here we come!

  • Doesn't that mean a minimum of 6 weeks without being able to practice with the team?

    "Then there's the Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform List. If by the end of the preseason a player isn't medically cleared yet, he can be transferred to the Reserve/PUP, which prevents that player from playing and practicing during the first six weeks of the season -- however that player doesn't count against the 53-man roster. If the player isn't activated after the sixth week, the team has a three-week window to make a decision."

    @texasag1969 said:

    Doesn't that mean a minimum of 6 weeks without being able to practice with the team?

    "Then there's the Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform List. If by the end of the preseason a player isn't medically cleared yet, he can be transferred to the Reserve/PUP, which prevents that player from playing and practicing during the first six weeks of the season -- however that player doesn't count against the 53-man roster. If the player isn't activated after the sixth week, the team has a three-week window to make a decision."

    Why would this disallow him from practicing. The point of being on that list would be to A. recover from one's injury and B. get back into shape to play football again.......you must practice in order to do that....no?

  • @the-gipper said:

    Unless of course our starting QB is hurt......and we damn near lost him a couple of times in this last game when he was hammered.

    So, yea, we would be in a world of hurt......JFF out on the PUP....McCown down with injury.....that leaves Thad Lewis and Pat Devlin

    Oy vey.

    High draft pick here we come!

    @texasag1969 said:

    High draft pick here we come!

    Not if the OL, RBs....who I still think will be good.....and defense have anything to say about it. (but it doesn't help)

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Doesn't that mean a minimum of 6 weeks without being able to practice with the team?

    "Then there's the Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform List. If by the end of the preseason a player isn't medically cleared yet, he can be transferred to the Reserve/PUP, which prevents that player from playing and practicing during the first six weeks of the season -- however that player doesn't count against the 53-man roster. If the player isn't activated after the sixth week, the team has a three-week window to make a decision."

    Why would this disallow him from practicing. The point of being on that list would be to A. recover from one's injury and B. get back into shape to play football again.......you must practice in order to do that....no?

    @the-gipper said:

    Why would this disallow him from practicing. The point of being on that list would be to A. recover from one's injury and B. get back into shape to play football again.......you must practice in order to do that....no?

    But the rules that I read say if you are on that list you cannot play OR practice for 6 weeks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physically_unable_to_perform

  • If his elbows hurt enough to warrant PUP consideration, he wouldn't be practicing anyway... That's the shortest reserve list there is. They'll have to have a positive report by Saturday or that's whats going to happen... Or, they keep him on the 53 and stash Duke or Desir on the PUP...

  • @the-gipper said:

    Why would this disallow him from practicing. The point of being on that list would be to A. recover from one's injury and B. get back into shape to play football again.......you must practice in order to do that....no?

    But the rules that I read say if you are on that list you cannot play OR practice for 6 weeks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physically_unable_to_perform

    @texasag1969 said:

    But the rules that I read say if you are on that list you cannot play OR practice for 6 weeks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physically_unable_to_perform

    I understand that is the rule.....my question is.....why no practice? I could understand no practice for 3-4 weeks.....but after that a player has to try to get in condition to play and be reactivated.

    Nonsensical, no?

  • @texasag1969 said:

    But the rules that I read say if you are on that list you cannot play OR practice for 6 weeks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physically_unable_to_perform

    I understand that is the rule.....my question is.....why no practice? I could understand no practice for 3-4 weeks.....but after that a player has to try to get in condition to play and be reactivated.

    Nonsensical, no?

    @the-gipper said:

    I understand that is the rule.....my question is.....why no practice? I could understand no practice for 3-4 weeks.....but after that a player has to try to get in condition to play and be reactivated.

    Nonsensical, no?

    Total nonsense. But the owners and players associations agreed to it unfortunately.

    If JM can't practice from now thru the first 6 games then it's another lost season. I hope they just decide to keep him on the 53 and not take that chance.

  • Per a report I heard this morning: Johnny Football may not be on the 53 man roster starting day....he would be placed on one or another injury list.

    What say you all about that?

    @the-gipper said:

    Per a report I heard this morning: Johnny Football may not be on the 53 man roster starting day....he would be placed on one or another injury list.

    What say you all about that?

    I'm fine with it. Thad Lewis is a better NFL QB at this point in their respective careers.

    Zombo

  • @the-gipper said:

    I understand that is the rule.....my question is.....why no practice? I could understand no practice for 3-4 weeks.....but after that a player has to try to get in condition to play and be reactivated.

    Nonsensical, no?

    Total nonsense. But the owners and players associations agreed to it unfortunately.

    If JM can't practice from now thru the first 6 games then it's another lost season. I hope they just decide to keep him on the 53 and not take that chance.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Total nonsense. But the owners and players associations agreed to it unfortunately.

    If JM can't practice from now thru the first 6 games then it's another lost season. I hope they just decide to keep him on the 53 and not take that chance.

    Ergo, see my trade proposal thread!

  • Per a report I heard this morning: Johnny Football may not be on the 53 man roster starting day....he would be placed on one or another injury list.

    What say you all about that?

    @the-gipper said:

    Per a report I heard this morning: Johnny Football may not be on the 53 man roster starting day....he would be placed on one or another injury list.

    What say you all about that?

    Not surprised at all if it happens. His bow bow is no doubt worse than they're admitting.

  • What say you all about that? Gip

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    See Denver. One of the qb's the Broncos don't keep.

  • So what about all those people saying he could play if this were the season?

  • Suddenly those 4-12 predictions don't look so far-fetched.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Unless of course our starting QB is hurt......and we damn near lost him a couple of times in this last game when he was hammered.

    So, yea, we would be in a world of hurt......JFF out on the PUP....McCown down with injury.....that leaves Thad Lewis and Pat Devlin

    Oy vey.

    High draft pick here we come!

    @texasag1969 said:

    High draft pick here we come!

    @dste-ace said:

    Suddenly those 4-12 predictions don't look so far-fetched.

    Wow....our back up(who has never done anything anyway) has a sore elbow and all of sudden our season is down the tubes?????...

    Maybe Im missing your points, but right now and compared to last season, our starter AND our back up(Lewis) look MUCH better than what we had last season.....which was 7-9....

    Heck, based on what Ive seen so far, I expect McCown to be as good or better than Hoyer....and IF he goes down....I expect Thad to be better than JFF was....

    So, how do we get worse, when we have 2 QB's who are playing better than the ones we had last year????

    Really.....Just a week or 2 ago, everyone was excited because Johnny was playing better, but now that he has some soreness in his arm and they decide to rest him.....all of a sudden.....everyone thinks he's injury prone, or his elbow is gonna be a life long problem, or we should just give up and trade him for RGIII....

    smfh.....

  • I agree. I don't see how missing a couple of weeks has any effect. I haven't found anything yet that says he will be put on pup. Unless he really has severe tendon damage like a rupture, and needs surgery, I don't see why he won't be ready to play by opening day.