Is it time to admit these guys arent as talented as we've been led to beleive?
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Man it's always sunshines and rainbows in here. The team stinks, the organization stinks and everyone not wearing rose colored glasses sees it. They have minimal talent at the skill positions and draft poorly. I like Pettine but the Browns got the cold shoulder by all the more established coaches. Is the franchise beyond saving, I hope not, but it will be a minimum of a 4-5 year process and we are in the midst of year 2
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I'm sick of making excuses for the OL. We're trying to have one of the best in the league. Like no worse than top 3. That's the goal, right? Well who does everyone think is #1? The Cowboys. All their OL did last year was go into Seattle and have a 100 yard rusher. Go into St. Louis and have a 100 yard rusher. Go to Arizona and have their RB over 4 ypc and 70 yards. 100 yard rusher against the Lions. No problem.
These were all top 10 DLs and probably all but St. Louis were top 5 most likely. But when we struggle I have to read some crap about how good NYJ's DL is bla bla bla. Pisses me off. Go produce and quit making excuses. You're all vets. We shouldn't have to baby you anymore. Some of that run blocking was so terrible I couldn't fathom how we have 3 All-Pros on this line.
Aside from the penalties (not that they aren't critical), I thought the pass blocking was solid. Even Erving did a solid job when he went in there.
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I'm sick of making excuses for the OL. We're trying to have one of the best in the league. Like no worse than top 3. That's the goal, right? Well who does everyone think is #1? The Cowboys. All their OL did last year was go into Seattle and have a 100 yard rusher. Go into St. Louis and have a 100 yard rusher. Go to Arizona and have their RB over 4 ypc and 70 yards. 100 yard rusher against the Lions. No problem.
These were all top 10 DLs and probably all but St. Louis were top 5 most likely. But when we struggle I have to read some crap about how good NYJ's DL is bla bla bla. Pisses me off. Go produce and quit making excuses. You're all vets. We shouldn't have to baby you anymore. Some of that run blocking was so terrible I couldn't fathom how we have 3 All-Pros on this line.
Aside from the penalties (not that they aren't critical), I thought the pass blocking was solid. Even Erving did a solid job when he went in there.
I'm sick of making excuses for the OL. We're trying to have one of the best in the league. Like no worse than top 3. That's the goal, right? Well who does everyone think is #1? The Cowboys. All their OL did last year was go into Seattle and have a 100 yard rusher. Go into St. Louis and have a 100 yard rusher. Go to Arizona and have their RB over 4 ypc and 70 yards. 100 yard rusher against the Lions. No problem.
These were all top 10 DLs and probably all but St. Louis were top 5 most likely. But when we struggle I have to read some crap about how good NYJ's DL is bla bla bla. Pisses me off. Go produce and quit making excuses. You're all vets. We shouldn't have to baby you anymore. Some of that run blocking was so terrible I couldn't fathom how we have 3 All-Pros on this line.
Aside from the penalties (not that they aren't critical), I thought the pass blocking was solid. Even Erving did a solid job when he went in there.
No Brandon Mebane. Seattle's front was not as invincible on early downs without him. However please check how many carries it took DeMarco to reach the century mark..
Actually, go and check the rushing attempts against all of those teams. That said, this is an elite Oline in pass pro. In moving bodies off the line in run blocking? Not so much.
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Who cares? Yes there were a ton of carries, but Murray was over 4 ypc because the OL was making him holes. Ours isn't. Don't make excuses. We want to be a running team but we can't do it to save our lives.
I agree they're elite in pass pro.
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I'm sick of making excuses for the OL. We're trying to have one of the best in the league. Like no worse than top 3. That's the goal, right? Well who does everyone think is #1? The Cowboys. All their OL did last year was go into Seattle and have a 100 yard rusher. Go into St. Louis and have a 100 yard rusher. Go to Arizona and have their RB over 4 ypc and 70 yards. 100 yard rusher against the Lions. No problem.
These were all top 10 DLs and probably all but St. Louis were top 5 most likely. But when we struggle I have to read some crap about how good NYJ's DL is bla bla bla. Pisses me off. Go produce and quit making excuses. You're all vets. We shouldn't have to baby you anymore. Some of that run blocking was so terrible I couldn't fathom how we have 3 All-Pros on this line.
Aside from the penalties (not that they aren't critical), I thought the pass blocking was solid. Even Erving did a solid job when he went in there.
Aside from the penalties (not that they aren't critical), I thought the pass blocking was solid. Even Erving did a solid job when he went in there.
Not so certain that was true in the 2nd half. I will defer to tour's line play analysis, but it appeared much poorer the second half in general both running and pass blocking.
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@douche-nozzle said:
I'm not sure how you can blame someone for mis-leading you? The Browns had the worst run defense in the league last year and you allowed yourself to believe they were special on defense?
no, you're right. But remember how many people were saying oh just wait it's a new scheme. I look at that Buffalo team and that's a defense that Pettine had a huge influence on. I want him to try to build that around those kind of players. I don't want him trying to shoehorn in guys from the Shurmer and that other guy who's name I can't remember now, era. These were guys signed and drafted for other defensive schemes. Physically a lot of them don't fit what Pettnine likes to do, especially our edges. Just be done with this, start over.
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Run-blocking was bad, but our rushers didn't look very good either. Duke didn't show patience, and Crowell lacked vision. It's sad that I'm excited to see Turbin in a few weeks...
OLBs were just bad against the rush... still. Last year it was our D-Line that killed us against the run, but yesterday it was the little bounce outside. Neither Mingo or Kruger are very disciplined against the run... I think losing Solomon was a bigger loss than it seemed at the time...
The worst thing about the whole game was the penalties... You can't win with that many penalties...
I still say, I can't even judge this team based on this game b/c the penalties hamstrung them, and losing McCown was devastating ... I'll give a pass to our mini-WR-corp... they looked good between the 20's, but we sure could use a redzone threat...
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yeah i'm not sold Soloman was some run stuffing animal we just didn't know it. I think part of the problem with the edges is that in Pets scheme they're not just being asked to hold the point, they HAVE to get off their blocks and disrupt the play in some way, but they can't. They're just not that strong of guys. In preseason against the Bucs we saw Kruger could not get off that TE on a TD run and then he turned and complain he got held, which he didn't. It's just time to admit these guys aren't that physically gifted.
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Aside from the penalties (not that they aren't critical), I thought the pass blocking was solid. Even Erving did a solid job when he went in there.
Not so certain that was true in the 2nd half. I will defer to tour's line play analysis, but it appeared much poorer the second half in general both running and pass blocking.
Not so certain that was true in the 2nd half. I will defer to tour's line play analysis, but it appeared much poorer the second half in general both running and pass blocking.
...and penalties......lots and lots of penalties......Bito, Mack, Greco & Schwartz all pitched in......
Just be done with this, start over.
Isnt that what we did last season??.......just over 1 year ago Farmer started and we now have replaced 80% of the team(over 1 season).....maybe they should have replaced 100%...?.....Sheesh...talk about the need for instant gratification...
Our fans expect worst to first......or else....screw em....
OLBs were just bad against the rush... still. Last year it was our D-Line that killed us against the run, but yesterday it was the little bounce outside. Neither Mingo or Kruger are very disciplined against the run... I think losing Solomon was a bigger loss than it seemed at the time...
Considering the D line had so many injuries last season, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.....but OLB's.....they were my mantra for the draft last season(and for 2016 too).......
And we let the best one go, when Sheard left for NE....(our #1 rated LB against the run last year, btw)
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Just addressed your thoughts on another thread.
i'm curious what you said but u need to come back to earth if you think u are so infinitely insightful someone would actually hunt for it without a link.
how about helping a nugga out and putting in some effort. please.
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@douche-nozzle said:
I'm not sure how you can blame someone for mis-leading you? The Browns had the worst run defense in the league last year and you allowed yourself to believe they were special on defense?
no, you're right. But remember how many people were saying oh just wait it's a new scheme. I look at that Buffalo team and that's a defense that Pettine had a huge influence on. I want him to try to build that around those kind of players. I don't want him trying to shoehorn in guys from the Shurmer and that other guy who's name I can't remember now, era. These were guys signed and drafted for other defensive schemes. Physically a lot of them don't fit what Pettnine likes to do, especially our edges. Just be done with this, start over.
I don't want him trying to shoehorn in guys from the Shurmer and that other guy who's name I can't remember now era.
you remembered shurmur but forgot Mangini? holy shit.
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I expect a much better performance this week against the Tits.
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Just addressed your thoughts on another thread.
i'm curious what you said but u need to come back to earth if you think u are so infinitely insightful someone would actually hunt for it without a link.
how about helping a nugga out and putting in some effort. please.
i'm curious what you said but u need to come back to earth if you think u are so infinitely insightful someone would actually hunt for it without a link.
how about helping a nugga out and putting in some effort. please.
You responded to it....
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i did? well hell. glad i didn't miss it but i still feel cheated.
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I don't want him trying to shoehorn in guys from the Shurmer and that other guy who's name I can't remember now era.
you remembered shurmur but forgot Mangini? holy shit.
you remembered shurmur but forgot Mangini? holy shit.
Chudzinski...just a guess.
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Not so certain that was true in the 2nd half. I will defer to tour's line play analysis, but it appeared much poorer the second half in general both running and pass blocking.
...and penalties......lots and lots of penalties......Bito, Mack, Greco & Schwartz all pitched in......
Just be done with this, start over.
Isnt that what we did last season??.......just over 1 year ago Farmer started and we now have replaced 80% of the team(over 1 season).....maybe they should have replaced 100%...?.....Sheesh...talk about the need for instant gratification...
Our fans expect worst to first......or else....screw em....
OLBs were just bad against the rush... still. Last year it was our D-Line that killed us against the run, but yesterday it was the little bounce outside. Neither Mingo or Kruger are very disciplined against the run... I think losing Solomon was a bigger loss than it seemed at the time...
Considering the D line had so many injuries last season, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.....but OLB's.....they were my mantra for the draft last season(and for 2016 too).......
And we let the best one go, when Sheard left for NE....(our #1 rated LB against the run last year, btw)
...and penalties......lots and lots of penalties......Bito, Mack, Greco & Schwartz all pitched in......
Isnt that what we did last season??.......just over 1 year ago Farmer started and we now have replaced 80% of the team(over 1 season).....maybe they should have replaced 100%...?.....Sheesh...talk about the need for instant gratification...
Our fans expect worst to first......or else....screw em....
Considering the D line had so many injuries last season, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.....but OLB's.....they were my mantra for the draft last season(and for 2016 too).......
And we let the best one go, when Sheard left for NE....(our #1 rated LB against the run last year, btw)
Should have signed Aldon Smith. Oakland quietly did and as far as I can tell has received no PR fallout whatever.
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I don't want him trying to shoehorn in guys from the Shurmer and that other guy who's name I can't remember now era.
you remembered shurmur but forgot Mangini? holy shit.
you remembered shurmur but forgot Mangini? holy shit.
How many guys do we still have from the mangini era besides JT and Haden? The front 7 has no one from 2010.
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Mack. That's it.
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