Is it time to admit these guys arent as talented as we've been led to beleive?
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@douche-nozzle said:
I'm not sure how you can blame someone for mis-leading you? The Browns had the worst run defense in the league last year and you allowed yourself to believe they were special on defense?
no, you're right. But remember how many people were saying oh just wait it's a new scheme. I look at that Buffalo team and that's a defense that Pettine had a huge influence on. I want him to try to build that around those kind of players. I don't want him trying to shoehorn in guys from the Shurmer and that other guy who's name I can't remember now, era. These were guys signed and drafted for other defensive schemes. Physically a lot of them don't fit what Pettnine likes to do, especially our edges. Just be done with this, start over.
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Run-blocking was bad, but our rushers didn't look very good either. Duke didn't show patience, and Crowell lacked vision. It's sad that I'm excited to see Turbin in a few weeks...
OLBs were just bad against the rush... still. Last year it was our D-Line that killed us against the run, but yesterday it was the little bounce outside. Neither Mingo or Kruger are very disciplined against the run... I think losing Solomon was a bigger loss than it seemed at the time...
The worst thing about the whole game was the penalties... You can't win with that many penalties...
I still say, I can't even judge this team based on this game b/c the penalties hamstrung them, and losing McCown was devastating ... I'll give a pass to our mini-WR-corp... they looked good between the 20's, but we sure could use a redzone threat...
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yeah i'm not sold Soloman was some run stuffing animal we just didn't know it. I think part of the problem with the edges is that in Pets scheme they're not just being asked to hold the point, they HAVE to get off their blocks and disrupt the play in some way, but they can't. They're just not that strong of guys. In preseason against the Bucs we saw Kruger could not get off that TE on a TD run and then he turned and complain he got held, which he didn't. It's just time to admit these guys aren't that physically gifted.
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Aside from the penalties (not that they aren't critical), I thought the pass blocking was solid. Even Erving did a solid job when he went in there.
Not so certain that was true in the 2nd half. I will defer to tour's line play analysis, but it appeared much poorer the second half in general both running and pass blocking.
Not so certain that was true in the 2nd half. I will defer to tour's line play analysis, but it appeared much poorer the second half in general both running and pass blocking.
...and penalties......lots and lots of penalties......Bito, Mack, Greco & Schwartz all pitched in......
Just be done with this, start over.
Isnt that what we did last season??.......just over 1 year ago Farmer started and we now have replaced 80% of the team(over 1 season).....maybe they should have replaced 100%...?.....Sheesh...talk about the need for instant gratification...
Our fans expect worst to first......or else....screw em....
OLBs were just bad against the rush... still. Last year it was our D-Line that killed us against the run, but yesterday it was the little bounce outside. Neither Mingo or Kruger are very disciplined against the run... I think losing Solomon was a bigger loss than it seemed at the time...
Considering the D line had so many injuries last season, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.....but OLB's.....they were my mantra for the draft last season(and for 2016 too).......
And we let the best one go, when Sheard left for NE....(our #1 rated LB against the run last year, btw)
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Just addressed your thoughts on another thread.
i'm curious what you said but u need to come back to earth if you think u are so infinitely insightful someone would actually hunt for it without a link.
how about helping a nugga out and putting in some effort. please.
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@douche-nozzle said:
I'm not sure how you can blame someone for mis-leading you? The Browns had the worst run defense in the league last year and you allowed yourself to believe they were special on defense?
no, you're right. But remember how many people were saying oh just wait it's a new scheme. I look at that Buffalo team and that's a defense that Pettine had a huge influence on. I want him to try to build that around those kind of players. I don't want him trying to shoehorn in guys from the Shurmer and that other guy who's name I can't remember now, era. These were guys signed and drafted for other defensive schemes. Physically a lot of them don't fit what Pettnine likes to do, especially our edges. Just be done with this, start over.
I don't want him trying to shoehorn in guys from the Shurmer and that other guy who's name I can't remember now era.
you remembered shurmur but forgot Mangini? holy shit.
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I expect a much better performance this week against the Tits.
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Just addressed your thoughts on another thread.
i'm curious what you said but u need to come back to earth if you think u are so infinitely insightful someone would actually hunt for it without a link.
how about helping a nugga out and putting in some effort. please.
i'm curious what you said but u need to come back to earth if you think u are so infinitely insightful someone would actually hunt for it without a link.
how about helping a nugga out and putting in some effort. please.
You responded to it....
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i did? well hell. glad i didn't miss it but i still feel cheated.
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I don't want him trying to shoehorn in guys from the Shurmer and that other guy who's name I can't remember now era.
you remembered shurmur but forgot Mangini? holy shit.
you remembered shurmur but forgot Mangini? holy shit.
Chudzinski...just a guess.
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Not so certain that was true in the 2nd half. I will defer to tour's line play analysis, but it appeared much poorer the second half in general both running and pass blocking.
...and penalties......lots and lots of penalties......Bito, Mack, Greco & Schwartz all pitched in......
Just be done with this, start over.
Isnt that what we did last season??.......just over 1 year ago Farmer started and we now have replaced 80% of the team(over 1 season).....maybe they should have replaced 100%...?.....Sheesh...talk about the need for instant gratification...
Our fans expect worst to first......or else....screw em....
OLBs were just bad against the rush... still. Last year it was our D-Line that killed us against the run, but yesterday it was the little bounce outside. Neither Mingo or Kruger are very disciplined against the run... I think losing Solomon was a bigger loss than it seemed at the time...
Considering the D line had so many injuries last season, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.....but OLB's.....they were my mantra for the draft last season(and for 2016 too).......
And we let the best one go, when Sheard left for NE....(our #1 rated LB against the run last year, btw)
...and penalties......lots and lots of penalties......Bito, Mack, Greco & Schwartz all pitched in......
Isnt that what we did last season??.......just over 1 year ago Farmer started and we now have replaced 80% of the team(over 1 season).....maybe they should have replaced 100%...?.....Sheesh...talk about the need for instant gratification...
Our fans expect worst to first......or else....screw em....
Considering the D line had so many injuries last season, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.....but OLB's.....they were my mantra for the draft last season(and for 2016 too).......
And we let the best one go, when Sheard left for NE....(our #1 rated LB against the run last year, btw)
Should have signed Aldon Smith. Oakland quietly did and as far as I can tell has received no PR fallout whatever.
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I don't want him trying to shoehorn in guys from the Shurmer and that other guy who's name I can't remember now era.
you remembered shurmur but forgot Mangini? holy shit.
you remembered shurmur but forgot Mangini? holy shit.
How many guys do we still have from the mangini era besides JT and Haden? The front 7 has no one from 2010.
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Mack. That's it.
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...and penalties......lots and lots of penalties......Bito, Mack, Greco & Schwartz all pitched in......
Isnt that what we did last season??.......just over 1 year ago Farmer started and we now have replaced 80% of the team(over 1 season).....maybe they should have replaced 100%...?.....Sheesh...talk about the need for instant gratification...
Our fans expect worst to first......or else....screw em....
Considering the D line had so many injuries last season, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.....but OLB's.....they were my mantra for the draft last season(and for 2016 too).......
And we let the best one go, when Sheard left for NE....(our #1 rated LB against the run last year, btw)
Should have signed Aldon Smith. Oakland quietly did and as far as I can tell has received no PR fallout whatever.
Should have signed Aldon Smith. Oakland quietly did and as far as I can tell has received no PR fallout whatever.
Nobody cares about oakland.
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you remembered shurmur but forgot Mangini? holy shit.
Chudzinski...just a guess.
Chudzinski...just a guess.
haha wow. touche to both. I actually forgot about Chud too. this team morphs faster than cloud patterns...it's almost nearly impossible to totally keep up and be involved with anything else in life. ugh. if it weren't for the masochistic passion it would be utterly exhaustingggggg
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...and penalties......lots and lots of penalties......Bito, Mack, Greco & Schwartz all pitched in......
Isnt that what we did last season??.......just over 1 year ago Farmer started and we now have replaced 80% of the team(over 1 season).....maybe they should have replaced 100%...?.....Sheesh...talk about the need for instant gratification...
Our fans expect worst to first......or else....screw em....
Considering the D line had so many injuries last season, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.....but OLB's.....they were my mantra for the draft last season(and for 2016 too).......
And we let the best one go, when Sheard left for NE....(our #1 rated LB against the run last year, btw)
Should have signed Aldon Smith. Oakland quietly did and as far as I can tell has received no PR fallout whatever.
Should have signed Aldon Smith. Oakland quietly did and as far as I can tell has received no PR fallout whatever.
yeah....but he should be suspended anyday now......possibly for the whole year.........
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Fa real?
Im thinkin so......was already suspended in 2013 for 5 games due to a dui...then missed 9 games last season for substance abuse......and NOW, has been charged(again) with DUI, plus hit and run.....
He's gone....
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Not so certain that was true in the 2nd half. I will defer to tour's line play analysis, but it appeared much poorer the second half in general both running and pass blocking.
...and penalties......lots and lots of penalties......Bito, Mack, Greco & Schwartz all pitched in......
Just be done with this, start over.
Isnt that what we did last season??.......just over 1 year ago Farmer started and we now have replaced 80% of the team(over 1 season).....maybe they should have replaced 100%...?.....Sheesh...talk about the need for instant gratification...
Our fans expect worst to first......or else....screw em....
OLBs were just bad against the rush... still. Last year it was our D-Line that killed us against the run, but yesterday it was the little bounce outside. Neither Mingo or Kruger are very disciplined against the run... I think losing Solomon was a bigger loss than it seemed at the time...
Considering the D line had so many injuries last season, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.....but OLB's.....they were my mantra for the draft last season(and for 2016 too).......
And we let the best one go, when Sheard left for NE....(our #1 rated LB against the run last year, btw)
Isnt that what we did last season??.......just over 1 year ago Farmer started and we now have replaced 80% of the team(over 1 season).....maybe they should have replaced 100%...?.....Sheesh...talk about the need for instant gratification...
Our fans expect worst to first......or else....screw em....
Considering the D line had so many injuries last season, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.....but OLB's.....they were my mantra for the draft last season(and for 2016 too).......
no instant grat dude, but c'mon...last year we were competitive, at least at the beginning of the season. THat is "offensively" of course. And we were told that just wait the defense will come along. Well they won't, nothing has been fixed from last year. I see what Pettine's stamp has left in Buffalo and frankly i'd be willing to get rid of any guys who Pettine doesn't feel can properly run his Defense. Which obviously they can't. I'm more willing to firesale a lot of guys than I am to get a new coach in here and say "well now let's see what you can do with these guys". That's been done for years now. Bring in a coach and let him draft specifically for his fit for years.
Farmer may not be who we thought he was either. I hate saying that but that dude has made some very questionable decisions lately. And frankly his drafting isn't panning out either. He refuses to acknowledge that guys that catch balls, especially poorly thrown ones, are incredibly valuable in this league.
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...and penalties......lots and lots of penalties......Bito, Mack, Greco & Schwartz all pitched in......
Isnt that what we did last season??.......just over 1 year ago Farmer started and we now have replaced 80% of the team(over 1 season).....maybe they should have replaced 100%...?.....Sheesh...talk about the need for instant gratification...
Our fans expect worst to first......or else....screw em....
Considering the D line had so many injuries last season, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.....but OLB's.....they were my mantra for the draft last season(and for 2016 too).......
And we let the best one go, when Sheard left for NE....(our #1 rated LB against the run last year, btw)
Should have signed Aldon Smith. Oakland quietly did and as far as I can tell has received no PR fallout whatever.
Should have signed Aldon Smith. Oakland quietly did and as far as I can tell has received no PR fallout whatever.
His talent slipped, and in any case it's obvious now how much he benefitted from lining up next to Justin Smith. Is Justin Smith or anyone like him on on this team?
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