2015 O-line Grades: Week 3 – Raiders

TexasAg1969

Thanks for the further breakdown tour.

And I thought you already had one of these:

https://jet.com/product/product/143f7c53639047cbb7845c44f31c7c50?jcmp=pla:ggl:brands_toys_games_a3:games_a3_other:na:na:na:na:na:2&code=PLA15&k_clickid=08a9210e-b180-498b-938d-7f3e358f1e9b&kpid=143f7c53639047cbb7845c44f31c7c50&gclid=CjwKEAjws7OwBRCn2Ome5tPP8gESJAAfopWsmc7XIMimQG3-JwbT4EEQQlSiOm24Wc2Aput9tfHkdxoCwunw_wcB

Mudfly

I enjoyed reading it too....as always....thanks for that!

In a nutshell, it sounds like the backs are the greater issue with running, than the line is.....though there is room for improvement everywhere....

Gotta say, Ive always been a Mitch supporter and am real happy to see him continuing to play well, while still improving....

In re to your PFF mention.....here's what they have...

Joe Thomas @ +8.5 and ranked 3rd league wide (+3.3, +3.2, +2.0)

John Greco @ + 1.5 and ranked 8th lw (-0.8, +0.1, +2.2)

Mitch Schwartz @ +1.0 and ranked 8th lw (+0.8, +2.2, -2.0) < hmmm for game 3

Alex Mack @ -2.5 and ranked 17th lw (-1.5, -3.1, +2.5)

Joel Bitonio @ -3.4 and ranked 23rd lw (-1.7, -1.9, +0.2)

So Bito and Mack are way down there.....the other 3 near the top.....

Im not too worried....based upon past performance, I think they'll both improve....though a bit worried about Mack and if he's got some lingering injury issues....

Tour2ma

lol... I saw "continuing" in Italics... watch yourself...

Odd to see agreement with PFF in Mitch's week 1 to week 2 direction, but then to diverge weeks 2 to 3... Especially since he saw so much of KM week 3. I thought PFF was big on competition level? Hard to remember a play when Mitch did not see wither Khalil or Aldon Smith.

And while "seeing" does not mean a name player tests his opposite on every play. I try to be aware of Defensive players taking a play off. They all do and it is not that hard to see.

gumby73

My football Junkie medicine, thanks Tour. Heard some news on Mack might have a new girlfriend that may give him ties to stay in Ctown? It's got to be something to consider at this point. He looks to be playing with no fire under his ass till someone piss's him off..

Tour2ma

Came across the Football Outsiders' O-line rankings...

Overall they have us 27th in Run-Blocking and 29th in PassPro.

In directional run-blocking our rank by their Adjusted Line Yards measure is:

WideL-27 / LTackle-30 / Middle-12 / RTackle-30 / WideR-19

Our directional percentages are: WL-5 / LT-11 / M-61 / RT-13 / WR-10

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

TexasAg1969

We are severely underperforming for whatever reason. Maybe because we are too damn predictable.

calfoxwc

I think it's that the defenses know that they can afford to stack eight men in the box,

especially on first down, and dare the qb play to beat them with no star bluechippie wr

to make them pay the price.

Oh, what it would have been, if, instead of Gilbert....

nope.

Gotta stop - does no good.

gumby73

Nice find Tour. That charts a true running game per team. Now lets see what 3 new OL does to that SD Stat. Thanks

D Bone

Gotta say T, the O line failed my eye test on Sunday. I only watched the game once, live, and I saw a LOS that never seemed to be pushed downfield, and we were lucky if it just stayed neutral. On pass plays, McCown threw from a dirty pocket seemingly all day, on every snap.

BaconHound

@tour2ma said:

Came across the Football Outsiders' O-line rankings...

Overall they have us 27th in Run-Blocking and 29th in PassPro.

In directional run-blocking our rank by their Adjusted Line Yards measure is:

WideL-27 / LTackle-30 / Middle-12 / RTackle-30 / WideR-19

Our directional percentages are: WL-5 / LT-11 / M-61 / RT-13 / WR-10

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Guess it just adds to "everybody's got their own numbers" theory

Mudfly

@tour2ma said:

lol... I saw "continuing" in Italics... watch yourself...

Ha....thats more a result of my 2 year battle to establish he dont suck vs establishing he's great...

Of course, now a days it seems it HAS to be one or the other......

Tour2ma

@d-bone said:
Gotta say T, the O line failed my eye test on Sunday. I only watched the game once, live, and I saw a LOS that never seemed to be pushed downfield, and we were lucky if it just stayed neutral. On pass plays, McCown threw from a dirty pocket seemingly all day, on every snap.

No doubt, D, but the only real attempts to move opposing linemen downfield were in short yardage situations. While true that most failed to do so in most of those situations, there weren't that many of those.

As for pockets... yes, there were only a couple perfect ones in which McC could luxuriate. But were a lot more "adequate" ones he could move in and/or step in enough to do his job.

@baconhound said:
Guess it just adds to "everybody's got their own numbers" theory

Kinda like the man with two watches?

Not going to pretend my watch is better than PFF's, but I'd at least like to understand why in some cases theirs and mine are running in opposite directions while in other cases they show pretty much the same time.

wargograw

I would trust your own grades, Tour. Yes, PFF is awesome, but they have almost 1,500 guys to grade every week. Even if there WAS a PFF employee that only did Browns OL, it's not a labor of love like it is for you. "If you want something done right, gotta do it yourself."