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  • Tour2ma Tour2maT In Memoriam Dedicated Conversation Starter Reacting Well Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done Very Popular
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    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    lol... I saw "continuing" in Italics... watch yourself...

    Odd to see agreement with PFF in Mitch's week 1 to week 2 direction, but then to diverge weeks 2 to 3... Especially since he saw so much of KM week 3. I thought PFF was big on competition level? Hard to remember a play when Mitch did not see wither Khalil or Aldon Smith.

    And while "seeing" does not mean a name player tests his opposite on every play. I try to be aware of Defensive players taking a play off. They all do and it is not that hard to see.

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      gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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      My football Junkie medicine, thanks Tour. Heard some news on Mack might have a new girlfriend that may give him ties to stay in Ctown? It's got to be something to consider at this point. He looks to be playing with no fire under his ass till someone piss's him off..

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        Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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        Came across the Football Outsiders' O-line rankings...

        Overall they have us 27th in Run-Blocking and 29th in PassPro.

        In directional run-blocking our rank by their Adjusted Line Yards measure is:

        WideL-27 / LTackle-30 / Middle-12 / RTackle-30 / WideR-19

        Our directional percentages are: WL-5 / LT-11 / M-61 / RT-13 / WR-10

        http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

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          T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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          We are severely underperforming for whatever reason. Maybe because we are too damn predictable.

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            C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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            I think it's that the defenses know that they can afford to stack eight men in the box,

            especially on first down, and dare the qb play to beat them with no star bluechippie wr

            to make them pay the price.

            Oh, what it would have been, if, instead of Gilbert....

            nope.

            Gotta stop - does no good.

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              gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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              Nice find Tour. That charts a true running game per team. Now lets see what 3 new OL does to that SD Stat. Thanks

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                D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by D Bone
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                Gotta say T, the O line failed my eye test on Sunday. I only watched the game once, live, and I saw a LOS that never seemed to be pushed downfield, and we were lucky if it just stayed neutral. On pass plays, McCown threw from a dirty pocket seemingly all day, on every snap.

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                • Tour2maT Tour2ma

                  Came across the Football Outsiders' O-line rankings...

                  Overall they have us 27th in Run-Blocking and 29th in PassPro.

                  In directional run-blocking our rank by their Adjusted Line Yards measure is:

                  WideL-27 / LTackle-30 / Middle-12 / RTackle-30 / WideR-19

                  Our directional percentages are: WL-5 / LT-11 / M-61 / RT-13 / WR-10

                  http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

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                  B BaconHound wrote on last edited by
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                  @tour2ma said:

                  Came across the Football Outsiders' O-line rankings...

                  Overall they have us 27th in Run-Blocking and 29th in PassPro.

                  In directional run-blocking our rank by their Adjusted Line Yards measure is:

                  WideL-27 / LTackle-30 / Middle-12 / RTackle-30 / WideR-19

                  Our directional percentages are: WL-5 / LT-11 / M-61 / RT-13 / WR-10

                  http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

                  Guess it just adds to "everybody's got their own numbers" theory

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                  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

                    lol... I saw "continuing" in Italics... watch yourself...

                    Odd to see agreement with PFF in Mitch's week 1 to week 2 direction, but then to diverge weeks 2 to 3... Especially since he saw so much of KM week 3. I thought PFF was big on competition level? Hard to remember a play when Mitch did not see wither Khalil or Aldon Smith.

                    And while "seeing" does not mean a name player tests his opposite on every play. I try to be aware of Defensive players taking a play off. They all do and it is not that hard to see.

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                    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                    @tour2ma said:

                    lol... I saw "continuing" in Italics... watch yourself...

                    Ha....thats more a result of my 2 year battle to establish he dont suck vs establishing he's great...

                    Of course, now a days it seems it HAS to be one or the other......

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                      Gotta say T, the O line failed my eye test on Sunday. I only watched the game once, live, and I saw a LOS that never seemed to be pushed downfield, and we were lucky if it just stayed neutral. On pass plays, McCown threw from a dirty pocket seemingly all day, on every snap.

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                      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                      @d-bone said:

                      Gotta say T, the O line failed my eye test on Sunday. I only watched the game once, live, and I saw a LOS that never seemed to be pushed downfield, and we were lucky if it just stayed neutral. On pass plays, McCown threw from a dirty pocket seemingly all day, on every snap.

                      No doubt, D, but the only real attempts to move opposing linemen downfield were in short yardage situations. While true that most failed to do so in most of those situations, there weren't that many of those.

                      As for pockets... yes, there were only a couple perfect ones in which McC could luxuriate. But were a lot more "adequate" ones he could move in and/or step in enough to do his job.

                      @baconhound said:

                      Guess it just adds to "everybody's got their own numbers" theory

                      Kinda like the man with two watches?

                      Not going to pretend my watch is better than PFF's, but I'd at least like to understand why in some cases theirs and mine are running in opposite directions while in other cases they show pretty much the same time.

                      "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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                        W wargograw wrote on last edited by
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                        I would trust your own grades, Tour. Yes, PFF is awesome, but they have almost 1,500 guys to grade every week. Even if there WAS a PFF employee that only did Browns OL, it's not a labor of love like it is for you. "If you want something done right, gotta do it yourself."

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