Browns Draft Strategy beginning in 2016
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I think I would move Derrick Henry past Elliott as the top RB. At 6'3" 242 lbs. with power and speed he could help our running game set up the play action and get the tough yards inside.
I think I would move Derrick Henry past Elliott as the top RB. At 6'3" 242 lbs. with power and speed he could help our running game set up the play action and get the tough yards inside.
EzE is the superior pass catcher and off ball player. In today's NFL, that means a lot.
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I think I would move Derrick Henry past Elliott as the top RB. At 6'3" 242 lbs. with power and speed he could help our running game set up the play action and get the tough yards inside.
I think I would move Derrick Henry past Elliott as the top RB. At 6'3" 242 lbs. with power and speed he could help our running game set up the play action and get the tough yards inside.
Not wanting to rule him out right away, but the Browns didn't have the best luck with the last RB we took from Bama....
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I think I would move Derrick Henry past Elliott as the top RB. At 6'3" 242 lbs. with power and speed he could help our running game set up the play action and get the tough yards inside.
Not wanting to rule him out right away, but the Browns didn't have the best luck with the last RB we took from Bama....
Not wanting to rule him out right away, but the Browns didn't have the best luck with the last RB we took from Bama....
sec is not treating us well lately........Manziel, Mingo and Richardson......
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Not wanting to rule him out right away, but the Browns didn't have the best luck with the last RB we took from Bama....
sec is not treating us well lately........Manziel, Mingo and Richardson......
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Add Malcolm Johnson and Bowe to that list lol!
Id probably take Elliot over Henry too. Henry looks a step slow. Destined for "plodder" status in the NFL after his initial shine wears off. He hasn't done a ton this year either but then, I realize they're asking him to play a limited role.
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Well you can wait another year and take Fornette (the next Adrian Peterson) after the SEC shock wears off.
Or Samaje Perine and skip the SEC all together
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Well you can wait another year and take Fornette (the next Adrian Peterson) after the SEC shock wears off.
Or Samaje Perine and skip the SEC all together
Or Samaje Perine and skip the SEC all together
Big 12 Dumpster fire? Right. Valerie Perrine would be better for our O
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Perrine's legit, no doubt.
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there is only one option for us at #1, which is very likely where we'll pick. We have to go BPA. No more drafting for need, that can happen in the later rounds. We have to start drafting talent, period. Right now that's Bosa to me. We need a big strong edge that can throw lineman off him and get around them with both strength and technique. That's Bosa. If Joey Bosa were to be put on this team "right now"....he might be one of the best run stoppers on the team and frankly might be the most polished pass rusher too save perhaps for Armonty.
I dunno, we've drafted talented pass rushers before but for some reason they don't really develop right. I have no explanation for that.
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Perrine's legit, no doubt.
Nice thing is he is sharing carries with Mixon which lightens his load and keeps him fresh. If he stays healthy he'll be a beast in the NFL
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Since the Nixon administration, there is exactly one case of a Super Bowl being won by a team with a below-average QB having a below-average season: the 2000 Ravens. Super Bowls are most commonly won by great QBs, and with very few exceptions the rest are won by really good ones. Some Super Bowl teams have very good running games, some have mediocre ones, and some have really bad ones. Some teams cited for the idea that you can with an offense based around a great running game rather than efficient passing actually prove the opposite. The 2003 Buccaneers were horribly led by Michael Pittmanās 3.5 yards a carry. The 1990 Giants also had a replacement-level running game and an efficient passing game. The Patriots had a mediocre running game in 2001 and a terrible one in 2003.
Itās not complicated. The NFL is completely dominated by pass offense and pass defense and has been for a loooong time. The marginal quality of your running game isnāt terribly important, and you donāt need to invest in an expensive running back to get a good enough running game.
A great quarterback and a below-average running game is a great offense. Barry Sanders and a mediocre quarterback is a mediocre offense.
Draft a QB and receivers and stop the insanity.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Since the Nixon administration, there is exactly one case of a Super Bowl being won by a team with a below-average QB having a below-average season: the 2000 Ravens. Super Bowls are most commonly won by great QBs, and with very few exceptions the rest are won by really good ones. Some Super Bowl teams have very good running games, some have mediocre ones, and some have really bad ones. Some teams cited for the idea that you can with an offense based around a great running game rather than efficient passing actually prove the opposite. The 2003 Buccaneers were horribly led by Michael Pittmanās 3.5 yards a carry. The 1990 Giants also had a replacement-level running game and an efficient passing game. The Patriots had a mediocre running game in 2001 and a terrible one in 2003.
Itās not complicated. The NFL is completely dominated by pass offense and pass defense and has been for a loooong time. The marginal quality of your running game isnāt terribly important, and you donāt need to invest in an expensive running back to get a good enough running game.
A great quarterback and a below-average running game is a great offense. Barry Sanders and a mediocre quarterback is a mediocre offense.
Draft a QB and receivers and stop the insanity.
Since the Nixon administration, there is exactly one case of a Super Bowl being won by a team with a below-average QB having a below-average season: the 2000 Ravens. Super Bowls are most commonly won by great QBs, and with very few exceptions the rest are won by really good ones. Some Super Bowl teams have very good running games, some have mediocre ones, and some have really bad ones. Some teams cited for the idea that you can with an offense based around a great running game rather than efficient passing actually prove the opposite. The 2003 Buccaneers were horribly led by Michael Pittmanās 3.5 yards a carry. The 1990 Giants also had a replacement-level running game and an efficient passing game. The Patriots had a mediocre running game in 2001 and a terrible one in 2003.
Itās not complicated. The NFL is completely dominated by pass offense and pass defense and has been for a loooong time. The marginal quality of your running game isnāt terribly important, and you donāt need to invest in an expensive running back to get a good enough running game.
A great quarterback and a below-average running game is a great offense. Barry Sanders and a mediocre quarterback is a mediocre offense.
Draft a QB and receivers and stop the insanity.
Beginning to think that way. Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, and Ladainian Tomlinson for all their collective greatness have exactly two Championships between the four of them.
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Zombo said:
Hartline and Hawkins will both catch 70 balls. Hartline will be offensive MVP.
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Hartline- 8\123
Hawkins- 10\112
That will project to around 40\500
The problem is obvious.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Since the Nixon administration, there is exactly one case of a Super Bowl being won by a team with a below-average QB having a below-average season: the 2000 Ravens. Super Bowls are most commonly won by great QBs, and with very few exceptions the rest are won by really good ones. Some Super Bowl teams have very good running games, some have mediocre ones, and some have really bad ones. Some teams cited for the idea that you can with an offense based around a great running game rather than efficient passing actually prove the opposite. The 2003 Buccaneers were horribly led by Michael Pittmanās 3.5 yards a carry. The 1990 Giants also had a replacement-level running game and an efficient passing game. The Patriots had a mediocre running game in 2001 and a terrible one in 2003.
Itās not complicated. The NFL is completely dominated by pass offense and pass defense and has been for a loooong time. The marginal quality of your running game isnāt terribly important, and you donāt need to invest in an expensive running back to get a good enough running game.
A great quarterback and a below-average running game is a great offense. Barry Sanders and a mediocre quarterback is a mediocre offense.
Draft a QB and receivers and stop the insanity.
Since the Nixon administration, there is exactly one case of a Super Bowl being won by a team with a below-average QB having a below-average season: the 2000 Ravens. Super Bowls are most commonly won by great QBs, and with very few exceptions the rest are won by really good ones. Some Super Bowl teams have very good running games, some have mediocre ones, and some have really bad ones. Some teams cited for the idea that you can with an offense based around a great running game rather than efficient passing actually prove the opposite. The 2003 Buccaneers were horribly led by Michael Pittmanās 3.5 yards a carry. The 1990 Giants also had a replacement-level running game and an efficient passing game. The Patriots had a mediocre running game in 2001 and a terrible one in 2003.
Itās not complicated. The NFL is completely dominated by pass offense and pass defense and has been for a loooong time. The marginal quality of your running game isnāt terribly important, and you donāt need to invest in an expensive running back to get a good enough running game.
A great quarterback and a below-average running game is a great offense. Barry Sanders and a mediocre quarterback is a mediocre offense.
Draft a QB and receivers and stop the insanity.
One could argue that the 2012 season with Flacco (given his performance before and subsequently after the superbowl run is average with blips of good play here and there) could be thrown in with Dilfer.
It's possible Russell Wilson could be listed in this category. He's still yet to win a game as a QB when the Seahawks defense surrenders 24points. Who drives the ship there?
To address a few points.
- The 2003 Bucs had a GARBAGE offensive line.
- The Pats running game in 2001 wasn't bad at all. Their defense was their hallmark
- The Pats running game in 03 was solid as well. Unless you've forgotten Rudi Johnson came in for Dillon after injury? Rudi averaged over 4ypc. So their running games and passing concepts very much complimented one another. Toss in having the leagues leading scoring defense, and that's what you get.
Keep in mind, while Peyton and the Colts were on the way to rewriting record books in 04 - they still couldn't get by New England and their balanced attack. Likewise in 2007 being a passing dominated team, the Pats fell short of the prize to the G-men and their defensive front/running game.
My theme is this - There is more than one way to skin a cat. In absence of having the HOF field general, teams have successfully fielded competitive squads with augmented rushing attacks, PAP, and great defenses. That's what allowed the Niners resurgence, Kansas City to make the playoffs, Cincy to look like a current contender, The Texans to rise from the ashes of 'expansion disaster', The Hawks to finally get over the hump, allowed the Steelers to claim a Superbowl with a sophomore QB and many other examples.
Finding that sure thing at QB might be the most rare hit in ANY sport, save for perhaps a perfect game. It's much more logical to take the opposite approach lest you end up with the Blaine Gabberts, Jaemis Winstons, Brandon Weedens, etc etc.
In closing, our QB was more than good enough to win today. A lack of discipline leading to penalties, defensive inconsistency and a couple ticky tack calls(non calls) were the culprits.
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Teams don't win championships without a quality passing game. Authentic football is not, and hasn't been since Nixon resigned, about the running game. Here are the adjusted [100 is league average] passer ratings for the SB winning QB:2014: Brady 111 [Obviously misleadingly low]2013: Wilson 1192012: Flacco 103, 9 Y/A 0 INT in postseason2011: Eli 1112010: Rodgers 1242009: Brees 1322008: Roethlisberger 97 (Lifetime 112)2007: Eli 89 (Over 100 6 of next 7 years)2006: Peyton 1262005: Roethlisberger 1222004: Brady 1142003: Brady 1072002: Johnson 1212001: Brady 1112000: Dilfer 981999: Warner 1361998: Elway 1191997: Elway 1131996: Favre 1301995: Aikman 1221994: Young 1471993: Aikman 1291992: Aikman 1181991: Rypien 1301990: Hostetler 1101989: Montana 1491988: Montana 1171987: Williams 1261986: Simms 1001985: McMahon 1111984: Montana 1341983: Plunkett 1091982: Theismann 1221981: Montana 1221980: Plunkett 1011979: Bradshaw 1101978: Bradshaw 1261977: Staubach 1251976: Stabler 140The 2007 Giants are probably the closest to the anecdotal case for ground-and-pound fetishists ā Eli wasnāt very good for much of the regular season, and that team had a really good running game. But by the playoffs, Eli had transformed into the not great but solidly above-average QB heās generally been ever since. And, more to the point, the Giants ā who outscored their opposition by about 20 points in the regular season ā are almost certainly the weakest Super Bowl team ever. Flags fly forever and they beat perhaps the greatest team ever assembled and more power to them, but if your strategy for building a championship team is ābuild a .500 team and have it overachieve in the regular season and get hot at the right time and win 3 straight coin-flip playoff games against significantly better teams,ā wellā¦good luck with that.The marginal quality of your running game isnāt terribly important, and you donāt need to invest in an expensive running back to get a good enough running game.
No question that you need a good defense. But the one constant for SB winners is a great passing game -- without that, nothing else matters.
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Spreading the ball around too much?
When Barnidge and Johnson are your #2 & #3 in receptions, we have a problem. Benjamin is the only one of the group that is (hardly) putting a scare in the opposition. 16\4= 4 receptions per game.
I'm waiting for that big-time Bowe breakout game- he hasn't caught a pass yet- but his bank account caught a flood of Benjamins- of the Franklin variety, not Travis.
"Free Josh Gordon", except I doubt McCown could get him the ball on fly routes. I'll respect you opinion on this Tour- but it sure looks like teams aren't respecting the Browns ability to beat them deep, and crowding the line. On paper, we had the superior line to the Chargers, but it sure looked like McCown was under far more duress than Rivers.
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Thought I'd bump this as we lost yesterday!
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Take Bosa.
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