BROWNS ROSTER TRACKING
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QB - Dorsey, Ken - Released 2/9: LINK
QB - Gradkowski, Bruce - Released 2/9: LINK
WR - Jurevicius, Joe - Released 3/11: LINK
TE - Royal, Robert - FA Signing from Buffalo, 3/4: LINK
TE - Winslow, Kellen - Traded to Tampa, 2/27: LINK
OL - Young, Eric - Released 2/9: LINK
DL - Mosley, C.J. - FA Signing from NY Jets, 3/6: LINK
LB - Bowens, David - FA Signing from NY Jets, 3/10: LINK
LB - Davis, Andra - Signed with Denver, 3/2: LINK
LB - Peek, Antwaan - Released 2/9: LINK
DB - Adams, Mike - Re-Signed, 3/6: LINK
DB - Cargile, Steve - Signed with Giants: LINK
DB - Cousin, Terry - Released 2/9: LINK
DB - Daniels, Travis - Signed with Kansas City, 3/10: LINK
DB - Elam, Abram - RFA from NY Jets signed to an Offer Sheet (7 days to match), 3/11: LINK
DB - Jones, Sean - Signed with Eagles, 3/6: LINK
DB - Poteat, Hank - FA Signing from NY Jets, 3/10: LINK
P - Dragosavich, Mike - Released 2/9: LINK
K - Reda, Jason - Released 2/9: LINK
Looking over these moves...you may question one or two..but when looked as a whole it makes good sense.
My personal line by line analysis would be something like this:
Dorsey and Gradkowski - Neither showed the ability to move the team in their stints last year. While we know that the offense was struggling last year...their TOTAL inability to move the club guaranteed the both would be gone.
Joe Jurevicious - I liked the guy...but face it...he was slow 2 years ago...is coming off of an injury...and this team needs to evaluate the young guys at the WR position (something we failed to do last year). So JJ was going to be doing nothing but taking up reps for the young guys.
Winslow/Royal - We saw the team move well w/o Winslow last year...and we have heard rumors of this being a run first/WCO hybrid. Winslow didn't fit...he wasn't happy here...and he garnered good picks in return. Royal has always been solid...and may be a perfect fit here if Rucker or Heiden can't fill in. Good depth at the least.
Eric Young - We got him off an injury for nothing...so ending the experiment was no big surprise
Mosley/Bowens/Poteat/Elam - this is vintage Parcells/BB stuff. Go out and get a bunch of guys you know to provide depth and inspiration at positions of need. At the very least it gives the team depth and drafting freedom/options. At best we may get 1 or 2 starters out of the bunch.
Davis/Peek - LB was our worst position...and we have been complaining about these two for the past 2 years. Davis just didn't get it done and Peek rarely saw the field. These were OBVIOUS moves.
Mike Adams - He is a classic BB guy...somebody who is inexpensive and versatile enough to fill in multiple positions. I was worried when he visited NE.
Terry Cousins - what is there to say...he got burned more than a blind kid trying to read braille on the stove.
Cargile/Daniels - Neither saw the field much....and when they did were nothing but Cousins look-a-likes.
Sean Jones - We all discussed this. He was going to ask too much. The deal he signed surprised me by being a 1 yr deal...but I think HE may have pushed for it after not finding the numbers he thought would be out there. He may believe he can make tons in 2010 with a good season this year. It did leave a hole, but rumors of Cribbs moving to S may make this a more logical move...and Adams didn't exactly shrink from the position last year.
Kevin Shaffer - He was cut before a $1.45M bonus...and is overpaid. He may be resigned at a more cap friendly salary...but if not, keep in mind he is responsible for 3 QB's getting hurt over the past few years.
Dragosavich/Reda - Kickers. So what. That was probably the one area we DIDN'T suck last year.
Like I said. If you look at these moves as a hole...we are doing well.
We have gained a 2nd round draft pick...picked up needed depth at DL/LB/DB/TE with core type players who know Mangini...cleared cap space...and kept the one FA that we felt showed real promise.
We have also made this team younger (sorry JJ). And as for the Shaffer thing...Tucker can take it for one more year...then we go out and get a RT road grader so we can run the damn ball.
Looking over these moves...you may question one or two..but when looked as a whole it makes good sense.
I completely agree. Nothing too flashy yet, but it seems like we're clearing dead & underproducing money, and bringing in some good depth and good youth & growth potential. We certainly still need a few more players signed to make this complete. And I hope there are a few more moves to get a few draft picks. . . otherwise all of this cap-clearing work only serves to save Lerner some cash (which won't be popular with the fans).
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So my hunch was correct, why did we make this signing? I'm beginning to think the silent Berea treatment is because there is no one home.
you're just withdrawling because their isn't anyone leaking shit to the press every time ya turm around.
just because one isn't privy to the info does not mean nothings going on. its how it should be....quiet.
you're just withdrawling because their isn't anyone leaking shit to the press every time ya turm around.
just because one isn't privy to the info does not mean nothings going on. its how it should be....quiet.
I hope you're right. I'm keeping my mouth shut until the end of April now I think!
As long as we don't turn into the Cleveland Jets.
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So I did something similar a year or so ago, and wanted to try it again. Below I've listed the entire roster, and I've tried to add information on cuts, trades, FA Signings (Yes, all of them. . . ) so we can have a comprehensive resource on how the roster has changed. I think it's useful, if nobody else does, then I'll remove it, or put it within the free-agency thread.
So, give your input and help on anything I've missed. Include links so I can add them. Here goes:
UPDATES: Using ESPN, NFL.com, and kffl.com, I've updated some Free Agents. Louis Leonard seems unconfirmed. Also, I can't find any information on Devale Ellis. He's not on the 'roster' page from clevelandbrowns.com, and he's not listed as a Brown on NFL.com.
QB - Anderson, Derek
QB - Bartel, Richard
QB - Dorsey, Ken - Released 2/9: LINK
QB - Gradkowski, Bruce - Released 2/9: LINK
QB - Quinn, Brady
RB - Harrison, Jerome
RB - Lewis, Jamal
RB - Patrick, Allen
RB - Wright, Jason - Free Agent (UFA)
FB - Ali, Charles
FB - Vickers, Lawrence
WR - Cribbs, Joshua
WR - Edwards, Braylon
WR - Hubbard, Paul
WR - Jurevicius, Joe
WR - Leggett, Lance
WR - Stallworth, Donte
WR - Steptoe, Syndric
TE - Cieslak, Brad
TE - Dinkins, Darnell - Free Agent (UFA)
TE - Heiden, Steve
TE - Madsen, John - Free Agent (RFA)
TE - Royal, Robert - FA Signing from Buffalo, 3/4: LINK
TE - Rucker, Martin
TE - Winslow, Kellen - Traded to Tampa, 2/27: LINK
OL - Fraley, Hank
OL - Friedman, Lennie
OL - Fry, Dustin
OL - Hadnot, Rex
OL - McKinney, Seth - Free Agent (UFA)
OL - Quarterman, Kurt
OL - Shaffer, Kevin
OL - Sowells, Isaac
OL - Steinbach, Eric
OL - Thomas, Joe
OL - Tucker, Ryan
OL - Young, Scott - Free Agent (UFA)
OL - Young, Eric - Released 2/9: LINK
DL - Leonard, Louis - Free Agent???
DL - Pittman, Chase - Free Agent (UFA)
DL - Purcell, Melila
DL - Rogers, Shaun
DL - Rubin, Ahtyba
DL - Smith, Robaire
DL - Smith, Shaun
DL - Thomas, Santonio
DL - Williams, Corey
LB - Bell, Beau
LB - Brown, Titus
LB - Davis, Andra - Signed with Denver, 3/2: LINK
LB - Griffin, Kris - Free Agent (UFA)
LB - Hall, Alex
LB - Holloway, David
LB - Jackson, D'Qwell
LB - McGinest, Willie - Free Agent (UFA)
LB - Orr, Shantee - Free Agent (UFA)
LB - Peek, Antwaan - Released 2/9: LINK
LB - Williams, Leon
LB - Wimbley, Kamerion
DB - Abdullah, Hamza
DB - Adams, Mike - Free Agent (UFA)
DB - Cargile, Steve - Free Agent (UFA)
DB - Cousin, Terry - Released 2/9: LINK
DB - Daniels, Travis - Free Agent (UFA)
DB - Holly, Daven - Free Agent (UFA)
DB - Jones, Sean - Free Agent (UFA)
DB - Lawson, Gerard
DB - McDonald, Brandon
DB - Pool, Brodney
DB - Sorensen, Nick
DB - Wright, Eric
LS - Pontbriand, Ryan
P - Zastudil, Dave
P - Dragosavich, Mike - Released 2/9: LINK
K - Dawson, Phil
K - Reda, Jason - Released 2/9: LINK
Steve Cargile signed with the Giants..
Steve Cargile signed with the Giants..
Am i the only one who is starting to wonder what butch davis, i mean mangini is doing, he has signed all of the jets FAs it seems, and the last time i checked they didn't do so well
last year.
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Cleveland Browns lose Jason Wright to Cardinals
by Tony Grossi/Plain Dealer Reporter
Monday March 16, 2009, 12:08 PM
CLEVELAND -- Browns running back and special teams core player Jason Wright has agreed to a two-year contract with the Arizona Cardinals for about $2 million.
Wright will replace J.J. Arrington, who signed with Denver, as the Cardinals' third-down back. The Arizona coaches believe Wright will be an upgrade in pass protection and on special teams.
"It's just a great opportunity for Jason to go to a team that went to the Super Bowl last year," agent Mike McCartney said. "We feel Arizona is a good fit for him."
The Browns did make an offer to retain Wright, McCartney said.
Wright's rushing totals were down last year (23 carries, 85 yards) as the Browns gave more opportunities to Jerome Harrison and Josh Cribbs. But the blitz-pickup specialist still participated in more than 30 percent of the offensive snaps in 2008.
Wright also had 22 catches and was a regular on most of the special teams.
"Jason leaves with tremendous feelings about the Browns," McCartney said.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...e_jason_wr.html
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Thanks for the update. I'm sorry to see Wright go. I liked his smarts, leadership, work ethic. . . and he was great a picking up blitzers.
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I don't see a problem adding a veteran for depth. He won't start, but adding veteran depth is a fine plan.
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charles ali resigned
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Aloysius said:
Brad Cieslak cutUh, why?
Can Alo or someone explain to me how the hell it makes sense to cut a guy like Sleestak at one of our thinnest spots? Especially since the guy looked damn good in camp last year.
I realize he may be more of a receiver type but still, come on.......
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Aloysius said:
Brad Cieslak cutUh, why?
Can Alo or someone explain to me how the hell it makes sense to cut a guy like Sleestak at one of our thinnest spots? Especially since the guy looked damn good in camp last year.
I realize he may be more of a receiver type but still, come on.......
Uh, why?
Can Alo or someone explain to me how the hell it makes sense to cut a guy like Sleestak at one of our thinnest spots? Especially since the guy looked damn good in camp last year.
I realize he may be more of a receiver type but still, come on.......
Well they did sign Royal (who replaces Dinkins), have Heiden coming back (theoritcally replaces Winslow in the lineup), and Rucker. It isn't really that thin. On paper, it is about the same as they were last season at TE, and that wasn't really a problem position for CLE.
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The Browns have been scouting late round/UDFA tight ends. The new regime probably wants to groom their own guy.
They've shown a lot of interest in NC State TE Anthony Hill, a guy I like: 6'5", 262 lbs., with soft hands. He has some durability concerns, so he'll go lower than he should (nfldraftscout says late 5th/early 6th round).
Could be a nice long-term replacement for Heiden.
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The Browns have been scouting late round/UDFA tight ends. The new regime probably wants to groom their own guy.
They've shown a lot of interest in NC State TE Anthony Hill, a guy I like: 6'5", 262 lbs., with soft hands. He has some durability concerns, so he'll go lower than he should (nfldraftscout says late 5th/early 6th round).
Could be a nice long-term replacement for Heiden.
Aloysius said:
The Browns have been scouting late round/UDFA tight ends. The new regime probably wants to groom their own guy.They've shown a lot of interest in NC State TE Anthony Hill, a guy I like: 6'5", 262 lbs., with soft hands. He has some durability concerns, so he'll go lower than he should (nfldraftscout says late 5th/early 6th round).
Could be a nice long-term replacement for Heiden.
Looks like the Browns signed two players under the radar...Marcus Thomas and Aaron Walker
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Uh, why?
Can Alo or someone explain to me how the hell it makes sense to cut a guy like Sleestak at one of our thinnest spots? Especially since the guy looked damn good in camp last year.
I realize he may be more of a receiver type but still, come on.......
Well they did sign Royal (who replaces Dinkins), have Heiden coming back (theoritcally replaces Winslow in the lineup), and Rucker. It isn't really that thin. On paper, it is about the same as they were last season at TE, and that wasn't really a problem position for CLE.
Masters said:
Well they did sign Royal (who replaces Dinkins), have Heiden coming back (theoritcally replaces Winslow in the lineup), and Rucker. It isn't really that thin. On paper, it is about the same as they were last season at TE, and that wasn't really a problem position for CLE.Come on Mik I don't see how you can say TE is not a problem position. First off, Heiden blew his MCL and ACL and is going to be 33 by the start of the year. Rucker is a totally unproven commodity (thanks again RAC 'n ROLLS) that we don't even know if Mancock likes, especially given that he's a receiver first type. Alo broke down the Royal signing for me very well so I can get with that, but to think this position is even close to being deep is off base.
Here's what I think we can surmise: They traded Winslow, a notorious receiver only threat who couldn't block in tight and severely limited our running game. Smart move there and tells us (especially with the Royal signing) what kind of TE they like, which is more the Chris Baker than Witten type. Now they're bringing in bigger, more physical types to compete in camp, so it's safe to say Sleestak just doesn't fit their prototype at TE more than it intimates them being satisfied with the depth there.
I also don't feel the need to draft another TE this year with all our defensive needs, that's just plain stupid since we're short on picks in the late round thanks to Phillip and his Glue Hands Hubbard crush.
I'm with Alo I think. Seems to me good scouting can find you what you want here without using a draft pick.
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Thanks for the updates, I've made the changes. Something tells me this Aaron Walker and Marcus Thomas signings will be training camp casualties. . . but maybe we'll be surprised.
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Aloysius said:
Brad Cieslak cutUh, why?
Can Alo or someone explain to me how the hell it makes sense to cut a guy like Sleestak at one of our thinnest spots? Especially since the guy looked damn good in camp last year.
I realize he may be more of a receiver type but still, come on.......
Uh, why?
Can Alo or someone explain to me how the hell it makes sense to cut a guy like Sleestak at one of our thinnest spots? Especially since the guy looked damn good in camp last year.
I realize he may be more of a receiver type but still, come on.......
Odd too because philly.com says he will be the Eagles starting TE..
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagle..._tight_end.html
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Uh, why?
Can Alo or someone explain to me how the hell it makes sense to cut a guy like Sleestak at one of our thinnest spots? Especially since the guy looked damn good in camp last year.
I realize he may be more of a receiver type but still, come on.......
Odd too because philly.com says he will be the Eagles starting TE..
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagle..._tight_end.html
Odd too because philly.com says he will be the Eagles starting TE..
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagle..._tight_end.html
I dont think Cieslak and Celek are the same guy....
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Odd too because philly.com says he will be the Eagles starting TE..
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagle..._tight_end.html
I dont think Cieslak and Celek are the same guy....
AdaM said:
I dont think Cieslak and Celek are the same guy....That's a big oops on my part...sorry guys...
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