can someone explain why Soloman is on the field?
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Our offense has not played a good D since jets game. Hell yes we can beat the Broncos. But it's got to be the best performance on both sides of the ball we have seen all Season. All Men on deck & we got to get healthy on D this week. Need our best, Come on Robbie, Gippy and Haden find a way.
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I didn't even realize Solomon was playing so I guess he was pretty bad.
Carder was pretty bad, but he put in tons of effort. Would like to see Robertson come back since he seems to be playing pretty good ball - also would like to see our money man Gipson get healthy and get back to form.
Also, Mingo has made a few great plays in coverage this year - but why does it seem like we're not sending him on blitz more often? Or are we and I'm just missing it?
Manning may be "diminished", but he's still dangerous.
On Cardner and Solomon... I found their flying to the ball refreshing, even if they did not end up making the play.
Also, Mingo has made a few great plays in coverage this year - but why does it seem like we're not sending him on blitz more often? Or are we and I'm just missing it?
One thing that was hard to miss was how thin Mingo looked. In the replays of that stretch he made to tip the goal line pass to the FB he looked borderline skinny.
I don't think O'Neil's defense works unless it has stud OLBs and stud safeties (pretty much a mirror of Pettine's scheme - which heavily relies on safety play too). Currently we have neither and O'Neil is hoping that magically changes rather than adapting the scheme to make it work.
I think collectively we have now listed every Defensive position as critical.
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Manning may be "diminished", but he's still dangerous.
On Cardner and Solomon... I found their flying to the ball refreshing, even if they did not end up making the play.
Also, Mingo has made a few great plays in coverage this year - but why does it seem like we're not sending him on blitz more often? Or are we and I'm just missing it?
One thing that was hard to miss was how thin Mingo looked. In the replays of that stretch he made to tip the goal line pass to the FB he looked borderline skinny.
I don't think O'Neil's defense works unless it has stud OLBs and stud safeties (pretty much a mirror of Pettine's scheme - which heavily relies on safety play too). Currently we have neither and O'Neil is hoping that magically changes rather than adapting the scheme to make it work.
I think collectively we have now listed every Defensive position as critical.
I think collectively we have now listed every Defensive position as critical.
Honestly I'm not too sure what their problem is, but I know OLB/edge setting has been a huge weakness so far.
I just remember after we hired Pettine one of the big things people talked about was how much his scheme relied on stud safeties and we had all those Jarius Byrd rumors - and so far Gipson has been weak and Whitner has continued to be average since last year.
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Solomon? He's weak in run defense, but makes up for it by being less flexible than Kruger in pass coverage. Terrible player, but judged great by Pettine so he sees the field!
It's time for some day drinking.
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Just think, Soloman was so impressive to the staff that letting Sheard go wasn't a big deal. sigh
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Just think, Soloman was so impressive to the staff that letting Sheard go wasn't a big deal. sigh
Just think, Soloman was so impressive to the staff that letting Sheard go wasn't a big deal. sigh
I think Sheard had 2 sacks yesterday. More than our whole team.
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Just think, Soloman was so impressive to the staff that letting Sheard go wasn't a big deal. sigh
I think Sheard had 2 sacks yesterday. More than our whole team.
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Letting Sheard go was a big mistake. Solomon is often injured and makes very little impact when he's on the field. I don't know why Pettine and O Neill thought such a journeyman could replace Sheard.
Letting Sheard go was a big mistake. Solomon is often injured and makes very little impact when he's on the field. I don't know why Pettine and O Neill thought such a journeyman could replace Sheard.
Am l the only one sick of seeing the word "journeyman"?
Every time l see it, my brain sees it as "Journey, man".
Which inevitably leads to "Don't Stop Beievin'" running through my head.
You people need to cut that shit out. Find another word to describe players who have bounced around with a few teams.
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Styxmen? Maybe Foreignermen?
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Was always partial to Stryperman.
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Read the article on cleveland.com by Tom Reed
Sheard (Patriots), Skrine (Jets) and Ward (Broncos) have become valued members of new teams with a combined 10-1 record. The Browns' tortured draft history since 1999 is well chronicled so when a player the organization has developed leaves and enjoys success elsewhere it's difficult for some to accept. Especially, when the salary cap is not issue.
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soloman is once again injured for a few weeks.. Has he played 6 consecutive downs for us yet this year?
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you think farmer ant the FO just let people go, to let them go?
all these guys wanted more money or didn't fit into the system that this coaching staff was turning to.
shoulda woulda coulda.
quit crying already. what 2 teams are famous for letting 2-3 year players go because of contracts or system failures? yep. patriots and steelers. seems like they've been doing alright now for like 3 decades.
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Read the article on cleveland.com by Tom Reed
Sheard (Patriots), Skrine (Jets) and Ward (Broncos) have become valued members of new teams with a combined 10-1 record. The Browns' tortured draft history since 1999 is well chronicled so when a player the organization has developed leaves and enjoys success elsewhere it's difficult for some to accept. Especially, when the salary cap is not issue.
Read the article on cleveland.com by Tom Reed
Sheard (Patriots), Skrine (Jets) and Ward (Broncos) have become valued members of new teams with a combined 10-1 record. The Browns' tortured draft history since 1999 is well chronicled so when a player the organization has developed leaves and enjoys success elsewhere it's difficult for some to accept. Especially, when the salary cap is not issue.
Ward and Skrine were replaced with competent players ... albeit older players. So now we gotta find younger players, not sure why we didn't want to pay those dudes.
Sheard was allowed to go and Orchard is the replacement.
So sure thing replaced with hopeful young replacement.
We never get better and I think the root of the problem is changing front offices and coaches so often that "Sheard does fit soandsos defense" and "Ward wasn't soandsos guy" ... Yes the Browns developed them, but not THESE Browns.
Now look at New England, Pittsburgh, Baltimore ... teams that have the same coach and same front office every year. The good players get second contracts, and free agents see it as a destination, not a place to get out of it.
If we can get some momentum this year, 8-8 or better, and we keep Farm and Pet around we can start to change this ... But we GOTTA draft better in the early rounds. Shelton may be coming around though, good game this week, I thought.
Zombo
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Like what does he do on an NFL field that justifies his presence there? Not knocking the guys toughness i'm sure he's a beast, but he get swallowed up every trip off the line. Gets washed out of every running play to his side, often by a single TE. Never fights out of a single block, I just don't understand. He's not particularly fast around the edge nor does he set a Golem like edge. What, does, he, do?
Like what does he do on an NFL field that justifies his presence there? Not knocking the guys toughness i'm sure he's a beast, but he get swallowed up every trip off the line. Gets washed out of every running play to his side, often by a single TE. Never fights out of a single block, I just don't understand. He's not particularly fast around the edge nor does he set a Golem like edge. What, does, he, do?
This could be a description for Kruger too......Kruger was playing so badly that they gave 40 of his snaps to Solomon....gotta try something when your starter isnt performing....right?
Supposedly he did the best job setting the edge during preseason. Not seeing it so far.
That was the word in camp.....
Is Kirksey struggling this year?
Yes......and he gave up 40 snaps this week too.....enter Carder....
Just think, Soloman was so impressive to the staff that letting Sheard go wasn't a big deal. sigh
Arent you the guy who's preaching system vs player????.......and isnt Sheard a pure 4-3 DE?...(he is).....
I always loved Sheard, but it's clear that the guy is not a OLB.....
I think Sheard had 2 sacks yesterday. More than our whole team.
Yep.....he's back at the right position, so Im sure he will have more sacks.....closer to his first couple years when we used him correctly too.....
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Last week...A. Bryant(1), Solomon, Mingo, Kruger AND Kirksey all combined for exactly ONE tackle.......thats a real stat right there....5 linebackers 1 tackle.....
Orchard(4), Dansby(9) and Carder(3) were the only ones who played apparently.....
or another perspective....
Dansby 9 tackles....
And all the rest( the 7 other linebackers) had 8......
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Last week...A. Bryant(1), Solomon, Mingo, Kruger AND Kirksey all combined for exactly ONE tackle.......thats a real stat right there....5 linebackers 1 tackle.....
Orchard(4), Dansby(9) and Carder(3) were the only ones who played apparently.....
or another perspective....
Dansby 9 tackles....
And all the rest( the 7 other linebackers) had 8......
Last week...A. Bryant(1), Solomon, Mingo, Kruger AND Kirksey all combined for exactly ONE tackle.......thats a real stat right there....5 linebackers 1 tackle.....
Orchard(4), Dansby(9) and Carder(3) were the only ones who played apparently.....
The sad thing is that this horrible defensive performance happens week after week with no sign it will or can be corrected. How could Pettine and O'Neil have missed it so bad on defense? They both spoke before the season started that they had expectations our defense could even be one of the elites in the league. Huge disappointment. Thankfully our offense has over achieved.
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Like what does he do on an NFL field that justifies his presence there? Not knocking the guys toughness i'm sure he's a beast, but he get swallowed up every trip off the line. Gets washed out of every running play to his side, often by a single TE. Never fights out of a single block, I just don't understand. He's not particularly fast around the edge nor does he set a Golem like edge. What, does, he, do?
This could be a description for Kruger too......Kruger was playing so badly that they gave 40 of his snaps to Solomon....gotta try something when your starter isnt performing....right?
Supposedly he did the best job setting the edge during preseason. Not seeing it so far.
That was the word in camp.....
Is Kirksey struggling this year?
Yes......and he gave up 40 snaps this week too.....enter Carder....
Just think, Soloman was so impressive to the staff that letting Sheard go wasn't a big deal. sigh
Arent you the guy who's preaching system vs player????.......and isnt Sheard a pure 4-3 DE?...(he is).....
I always loved Sheard, but it's clear that the guy is not a OLB.....
I think Sheard had 2 sacks yesterday. More than our whole team.
Yep.....he's back at the right position, so Im sure he will have more sacks.....closer to his first couple years when we used him correctly too.....
This could be a description for Kruger too......Kruger was playing so badly that they gave 40 of his snaps to Solomon....gotta try something when your starter isnt performing....right?
Well they didn't take Kruger off the field much did they? Most of the time those two guys are on the field at the same time just with Soloman in a 3 point and Kruger standing up. Which is one of the most flabbergasting personnel moves I've ever witnessed. I have no understanding for it whatsoever. I felt it was awkward enough having Kruger and Sheard on the field at the same time but at least there was only 2 DL so those two basically just played stand up DE's.
This year we have 3 DL with Soloman on the edge hands down as a 4-3 DE (they've never stood him up)...and Kruger standing up on one of the edges. I thought at first this was some gimmicky stuff in preseason to spring Kruger into the backfield better. But no that's our base D. I don't even know what the fuck you call it, besides awful. If you're gonna bring up a 5th guy to the line he'd better be closer in size and speed to Mingo than Kruger. Otherwise you're asking for severe mismatches.
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