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can someone explain why Soloman is on the field?

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  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #46

    Krugers bull rush isn't as good as it was in year one cause we dropped weight off him to play this stupid cover shit. He was even better at Blt cause there he was a strict outside hands down edge rusher. So not only does he need to go back to playing 4-3 DE, he needs to put the necessary size and strength back on which means getting back up into the low 280's where he was effectual in Blt. So stupid what we've done with that guy.

  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #47

    and I love me some Danny Shelton & Cam Erving......but this is why I was really wanting an OLB in the first round.....though, my main guy Beasley was gone when we picked.....

  • OsirisO Osiris

    @mudfly said:

    Exactly.....Kruger has averaged 60 snaps per game and this week got 28....Mingo only got 3.....

    and these 2^^^^^ had the fewest snaps of all the LBs.....which tells me the coaches dont like their performance and benched them to give the other guys a look.....

    Hopefully it wakes them up.....or, at least, gives someone else a chance to step up......

    Or...the coaches could let Kruger do what Kruger is good at instead of making him drop back into coverage. If they play him to his weaknesses, why would they expect stellar performance?

    M MDDawg wrote on
    #48

    @osiris said:

    Or...the coaches could let Kruger do what Kruger is good at instead of making him drop back into coverage. If they play him to his weaknesses, why would they expect stellar performance?

    This

  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on
    #49

    OLB's- Fowler went 3 to Jags. Beasley went 8 to Atl. Bud Dupree went 22 to Shiters. Shag Thompson went 25 to Car. all in 1st round. We picked at 12 & 19. Kruger should line up not to cover anyone at either end. Needs to look at who possesses ball than tackle..

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  • gumby73G gumby73

    OLB's- Fowler went 3 to Jags. Beasley went 8 to Atl. Bud Dupree went 22 to Shiters. Shag Thompson went 25 to Car. all in 1st round. We picked at 12 & 19. Kruger should line up not to cover anyone at either end. Needs to look at who possesses ball than tackle..

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #50

    @gumby73 said:

    OLB's- Fowler went 3 to Jags. Beasley went 8 to Atl. Bud Dupree went 22 to Shiters. Shag Thompson went 25 to Car. all in 1st round.

    Throw in Shane Ray, who well be seeing this week......Im not into coulda shoulda woulda,,,,,,but I woulda.....

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • gumby73G gumby73

    OLB's- Fowler went 3 to Jags. Beasley went 8 to Atl. Bud Dupree went 22 to Shiters. Shag Thompson went 25 to Car. all in 1st round. We picked at 12 & 19. Kruger should line up not to cover anyone at either end. Needs to look at who possesses ball than tackle..

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #51

    @gumby73 said:

    OLB's- Fowler went 3 to Jags. Beasley went 8 to Atl. Bud Dupree went 22 to Shiters. Shag Thompson went 25 to Car. all in 1st round. We picked at 12 & 19. Kruger should line up not to cover anyone at either end. Needs to look at who possesses ball than tackle..

    Are any of those LBs doing anything decent? I know it is only 5 games into their careers.

    gftChrisG MudflyM 2 Replies
  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @gumby73 said:

    OLB's- Fowler went 3 to Jags. Beasley went 8 to Atl. Bud Dupree went 22 to Shiters. Shag Thompson went 25 to Car. all in 1st round.

    Throw in Shane Ray, who well be seeing this week......Im not into coulda shoulda woulda,,,,,,but I woulda.....

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #52

    @mudfly said:

    Throw in Shane Ray, who well be seeing this week......Im not into coulda shoulda woulda,,,,,,but I woulda.....

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @gumby73 said:

    OLB's- Fowler went 3 to Jags. Beasley went 8 to Atl. Bud Dupree went 22 to Shiters. Shag Thompson went 25 to Car. all in 1st round. We picked at 12 & 19. Kruger should line up not to cover anyone at either end. Needs to look at who possesses ball than tackle..

    Are any of those LBs doing anything decent? I know it is only 5 games into their careers.

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #53

    @the-gipper said:

    Are any of those LBs doing anything decent? I know it is only 5 games into their careers.

    Fowler blew out his knee on the first day of the offseason. I feel bad for the Jags.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @gumby73 said:

    OLB's- Fowler went 3 to Jags. Beasley went 8 to Atl. Bud Dupree went 22 to Shiters. Shag Thompson went 25 to Car. all in 1st round. We picked at 12 & 19. Kruger should line up not to cover anyone at either end. Needs to look at who possesses ball than tackle..

    Are any of those LBs doing anything decent? I know it is only 5 games into their careers.

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #54

    @the-gipper said:

    Are any of those LBs doing anything decent?

    It's early....but they are outperforming our OLBs....all have more sacks & tackles than Kruger or Orchard or Mingo or Solomon....which, right now, doesnt take much to do......

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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @the-gipper said:

    Are any of those LBs doing anything decent?

    It's early....but they are outperforming our OLBs....all have more sacks & tackles than Kruger or Orchard or Mingo or Solomon....which, right now, doesnt take much to do......

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #55

    @mudfly said:

    It's early....but they are outperforming our OLBs....all have more sacks & tackles than Kruger or Orchard or Mingo or Solomon....which, right now, doesnt take much to do......

    Given that any member of the browns board has as many sacks as mingo orchard and solomon combined, and is only a half behind kruger, not saying much.

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @the-gipper said:

    Are any of those LBs doing anything decent?

    It's early....but they are outperforming our OLBs....all have more sacks & tackles than Kruger or Orchard or Mingo or Solomon....which, right now, doesnt take much to do......

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #56

    @mudfly said:

    It's early....but they are outperforming our OLBs....all have more sacks & tackles than Kruger or Orchard or Mingo or Solomon....which, right now, doesnt take much to do......

    I was about to ask too how some of those guys are doing, wht you just said right there is just infuriating. How? How the fuck is this possible?

  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #57

    I really hope Pet just gives up on shoehorning thse 3-4 people into his scheme. Just go to the base 4-3, trade Kruger and draft Bosa. We could have a front 4 next year consisting of the Bryants, Shelton, Starks, Meder and Bosa. If we pick up some really good LB'er that we can flash a 3-4 at people from time to time, you can move Bosa to the 5 tech..it's what they do with him now at OSU. Do this. If we can't get Bosa than at least move Kruger back to his 4-3 DE weight. Maybe if him and Armonty can get back into the low 280's we can have some edges that can fold in the running lanes or maybe even throw a lineman or TE off them every now and then and make the tackle.

  • gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #58

    I disagree with basically everything you just posted. If you switch to a 4-3, Kruger is set as a pure DE.

    If you draft Bosa, you play him as a 3-4 DE - he's basically a JJ Watt clone, so put him in the same place. Shelton is a nose tackle, almost exclusively, so asking him to play 4-3 DT is a waste of his talents.

    Like it or not, that's the way we're set for the next few years, building around Shelton, Cooper and Orchard.

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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    I disagree with basically everything you just posted. If you switch to a 4-3, Kruger is set as a pure DE.

    If you draft Bosa, you play him as a 3-4 DE - he's basically a JJ Watt clone, so put him in the same place. Shelton is a nose tackle, almost exclusively, so asking him to play 4-3 DT is a waste of his talents.

    Like it or not, that's the way we're set for the next few years, building around Shelton, Cooper and Orchard.

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #59

    @gftchris said:

    Like it or not, that's the way we're set for the next few years, building around Shelton, Cooper and Orchard.

    no. you build around solid players that the franchise recognizes as real nfl players.

    shelton yes. cooper and orchard ? maybe but..........

    anyone can always be replaced by draft or FA and if these guys (gilbert included...my fave) can't get the job done then get what you can for them and move on.

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @the-gipper said:

    Are any of those LBs doing anything decent?

    It's early....but they are outperforming our OLBs....all have more sacks & tackles than Kruger or Orchard or Mingo or Solomon....which, right now, doesnt take much to do......

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #60

    @mudfly said:

    It's early....but they are outperforming our OLBs....all have more sacks & tackles than Kruger or Orchard or Mingo or Solomon....which, right now, doesnt take much to do......

    But of the four Browns you mention only Kruger has played a significant number of Defensive snaps... yes? And Mingo is the only ST regular.

    Here are the picks': TotalSnaps/D-Snaps/D-Snap%/Sacks/Tackles/Assts.

    Vic Beasley #8 to Atl. 212 / 194 / 57.7 / 2.0 / 8 / 4

    Bud Dupree #22 to PTG. 204 / 181 / 51.0 / 3.0 / 9 / 4

    Shag Thompson #25 Car. 191 / 148 / 48.7 / 1.0 /11 / 5

    Randy Gregory #60 DAL.. 23 /. 19 /. 5.8 / no stats

    Shane Ray #23 to .DNV. 104 /. 94 / 27.6 / 2.0 / 3 / 1

    These aren't the 3-down OLBs I've craved since Clay left... but I could have made due with Beasley... 😉

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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    I disagree with basically everything you just posted. If you switch to a 4-3, Kruger is set as a pure DE.

    If you draft Bosa, you play him as a 3-4 DE - he's basically a JJ Watt clone, so put him in the same place. Shelton is a nose tackle, almost exclusively, so asking him to play 4-3 DT is a waste of his talents.

    Like it or not, that's the way we're set for the next few years, building around Shelton, Cooper and Orchard.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #61

    @gftchris said:

    I disagree with basically everything you just posted. If you switch to a 4-3, Kruger is set as a pure DE.

    If you draft Bosa, you play him as a 3-4 DE - he's basically a JJ Watt clone, so put him in the same place. Shelton is a nose tackle, almost exclusively, so asking him to play 4-3 DT is a waste of his talents.

    Like it or not, that's the way we're set for the next few years, building around Shelton, Cooper and Orchard.

    • I don't see Cooper and Orchard as "foundational" players.
    • Bosa strikes me as a perfect 4-3 DE... but in any case, please don't go to the Watt-clone place... he's not.
    • 4-3 DTs line up on the Center's nose every Sunday in the NFL.
    • I thought Kruger made his name primarily as a 4-3 DE that sometimes stood up and we reversed that.
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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    I disagree with basically everything you just posted. If you switch to a 4-3, Kruger is set as a pure DE.

    If you draft Bosa, you play him as a 3-4 DE - he's basically a JJ Watt clone, so put him in the same place. Shelton is a nose tackle, almost exclusively, so asking him to play 4-3 DT is a waste of his talents.

    Like it or not, that's the way we're set for the next few years, building around Shelton, Cooper and Orchard.

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #62

    @gftchris said:

    I disagree with basically everything you just posted. If you switch to a 4-3, Kruger is set as a pure DE.

    If you draft Bosa, you play him as a 3-4 DE - he's basically a JJ Watt clone, so put him in the same place. Shelton is a nose tackle, almost exclusively, so asking him to play 4-3 DT is a waste of his talents.

    Like it or not, that's the way we're set for the next few years, building around Shelton, Cooper and Orchard.

    Isn't that where Kruger is going to be even just marginally productive? Isn't it clear enough that as a standup 3-4 olb'er he's an utter failure? He came from Blt where they almost strictly put his hands in the dirt and rushed him off the tackles outside shoulder. He was rated as a 3-4 olb'er only because Blt was still mostly a 3-4 team and occasionally they stood Kruger up.

    Bosa can play the 3-4 5 tech but imo that's a waste of his outside rush ability. He utterly caves in tackles outside shoulders. If he can continue that in the NFL he's going to be special. Look at what Watt does the few times they line him up outside like a 4-3 DE. I see no reason why we can't move Bosa around like they do with Watt. Difference is I think we have more interior talent than Houston so why play Bosa a lot inside? Why not put him outside the tackles? We could have a guy that carves down the edge like few if any rushers we've ever had in Cleveland. If we can sign or draft a real good speed rushing DE, like Mingo was supposed to be...we could do some really interesting things with that guy and Bosa on the other side.

  • Mark OM Mark O wrote on
    #63

    You won't see Soloman on the field anymore this season...

    Browns acquire DB Don Jones via waivers; LB Scott Solomon placed on IR

    http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Browns-acquire-DB-Don-Jones-via-waivers-LB-Scott-Solomon-placed-on-IR/21a93d30-7720-4011-8736-fa60fe1354ad

  • Mark OM Mark O

    You won't see Soloman on the field anymore this season...

    Browns acquire DB Don Jones via waivers; LB Scott Solomon placed on IR

    http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Browns-acquire-DB-Don-Jones-via-waivers-LB-Scott-Solomon-placed-on-IR/21a93d30-7720-4011-8736-fa60fe1354ad

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #64

    @mark-o said:

    You won't see Soloman on the field anymore this season...

    Browns acquire DB Don Jones via waivers; LB Scott Solomon placed on IR

    http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Browns-acquire-DB-Don-Jones-via-waivers-LB-Scott-Solomon-placed-on-IR/21a93d30-7720-4011-8736-fa60fe1354ad

    So? What is Don Jones going to bring to the table?

    Z gftChrisG 2 Replies
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mark-o said:

    You won't see Soloman on the field anymore this season...

    Browns acquire DB Don Jones via waivers; LB Scott Solomon placed on IR

    http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Browns-acquire-DB-Don-Jones-via-waivers-LB-Scott-Solomon-placed-on-IR/21a93d30-7720-4011-8736-fa60fe1354ad

    So? What is Don Jones going to bring to the table?

    Z Zombo wrote on
    #65

    @the-gipper said:

    So? What is Don Jones going to bring to the table?

    Special teamer, emergency DB.

    Zombo

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