Browns shopping Thomas, Mack and Kruger!
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i'm glad they're shopping these guys in a way, cause we need a rebuild...but I cringe that it's made public. Good luck getting anything but half assed production out of these guys for the remainder of the season. I can see getting something for Mack and Thomas, although who do we put at LT? It's not like we're flush with talent, we're already having trouble protecting the QB except from the left. Add another gaping hole to our O line and who wants to be QB in Cleveland? nobody. And Kruger? Who on earth is gonna take that contract for such little production unless there's a desperate 4-3 team taht thinks they can convert him back to what he should be in short order. No 3-4 team is taking Kruger, his days of standing up in the NFL are over. And if he knows what's good for his career he'll never allow himself to be stood up as a 3-4 olb'er ever again.
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big rebuild ahead though folks, the Shurmur/Chud era players are gonna get purged. It needs to be done, but y'all need to understand what it means.....no playoffs for years.
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big rebuild ahead though folks, the Shurmur/Chud era players are gonna get purged. It needs to be done, but y'all need to understand what it means.....no playoffs for years.
big rebuild ahead though folks, the Shurmur/Chud era players are gonna get purged. It needs to be done, but y'all need to understand what it means.....no playoffs for years.
And we've been having having playoff games for years.
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big rebuild ahead though folks, the Shurmur/Chud era players are gonna get purged. It needs to be done, but y'all need to understand what it means.....no playoffs for years.
big rebuild ahead though folks, the Shurmur/Chud era players are gonna get purged. It needs to be done, but y'all need to understand what it means.....no playoffs for years.
Yup... and has to be in full consultation with Haslam so it implies that he is prepared to stay the course with Farmer and Pet for at least... two more seasons?
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well my point was that some people think we're right there with this groups of players, we just have to find the right coach. I think the smarter of us have realized that it ain't happenin, most of these guys on defense especially....need to go. I'd conserve some of the secondary only and start rebuilding the front 7. Draft BPA's and fit the defensive scheme to what fits them best
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yeah I dunno about Farmer, Pettine yes....but Farmer, man his drafting sucks fat dick.
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Not gonna rehash old topics, but Farmer has missed on possible HOF talent that nobody even dreamed Cleveland would pass on if those players were available at our picks, which some of them were.
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well my point was that some people think we're right there with this groups of players, we just have to find the right coach. I think the smarter of us have realized that it ain't happenin, most of these guys on defense especially....need to go. I'd conserve some of the secondary only and start rebuilding the front 7. Draft BPA's and fit the defensive scheme to what fits them best
well my point was that some people think we're right there with this groups of players, we just have to find the right coach. I think the smarter of us have realized that it ain't happenin, most of these guys on defense especially....need to go. I'd conserve some of the secondary only and start rebuilding the front 7. Draft BPA's and fit the defensive scheme to what fits them best
agree
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i'm glad they're shopping these guys in a way, cause we need a rebuild...but I cringe that it's made public. Good luck getting anything but half assed production out of these guys for the remainder of the season. I can see getting something for Mack and Thomas, although who do we put at LT? It's not like we're flush with talent, we're already having trouble protecting the QB except from the left. Add another gaping hole to our O line and who wants to be QB in Cleveland? nobody. And Kruger? Who on earth is gonna take that contract for such little production unless there's a desperate 4-3 team taht thinks they can convert him back to what he should be in short order. No 3-4 team is taking Kruger, his days of standing up in the NFL are over. And if he knows what's good for his career he'll never allow himself to be stood up as a 3-4 olb'er ever again.
i'm glad they're shopping these guys in a way, cause we need a rebuild...but I cringe that it's made public.
I can see getting something for Mack and Thomas, although who do we put at LT? It's not like we're flush with talent, we're already having trouble protecting the QB except from the left.
And Kruger? Who on earth is gonna take that contract for such little production unless there's a desperate 4-3 team taht thinks they can convert him back to what he should be in short order. No 3-4 team is taking Kruger, his days of standing up in the NFL are over. And if he knows what's good for his career he'll never allow himself to be stood up as a 3-4 olb'er ever again.
You can't "shop" players as well known as JT and Mack without expecting it to leak.
At LT Bito still looks like the best JT replacement to me... but if Schwartz can swap sides and be as effective as he's been at RT this year...
I'm not keeping a sack count, but I've no doubt JT is low man. Even so you might have to say "except from the wide left" as there have been a number of inside left sacks and right half sacks due to pressure from the left half.
As for Krugs... strikes me that moving back to his natural position as a 4-3 DE could be a fairly quick reversion.
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If the reversion back to having his hand in the ground at LDE is so quick, why is the coaching staff using him as a strong side backer?
Part of this is players fitting scheme, the other is our coaches not finding ways to adjust, I fear.
Fact remains, while Pettine's defenses can be effective and play at a high level; they require such personell that can be hard to come by in a given number of years.
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i'm not so sure the transition back to how Blt used Kruger would be that quick for him. I think he's lost alot of leverage since he came to Cleveland. First year he still had a good bull rush but he lost his ability to power carve the edge which if you see some of his tape from Blt, he was alot stronger going around the arc. He has to put clean weight back on, meaning all muscle. I wish we could have done that for him but oh well. Watch him go somewhere and have a 15 sack year.
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Not a fan of trading JT.
Neither am I, but if a decent offer came from a playoff-caliber team, I'd pull the trigger. The dude is such pro and a class act; he deserves to actually have a chance to win something before his career is over. With the level of disfunction in the Browns organization right now, he won't have a chance to win here.
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Agree, tia... How long have I been asking for evidence of our D scheme adjusting to our player's strengths? Seems like forever now, but it's been at least this season.
If the answer is that he has, but he just can't hide their weaknesses, then the players aren't versatile enough.
And on Kruger...
Cleve... certainly not instantaneous if his body is no longer suited for the role or he has lost a step, but mentally it would seem there would be a fairly short route back to what made you successful.
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Not a fan of trading JT.
Neither am I, but if a decent offer came from a playoff-caliber team, I'd pull the trigger. The dude is such pro and a class act; he deserves to actually have a chance to win something before his career is over. With the level of disfunction in the Browns organization right now, he won't have a chance to win here.
Neither am I, but if a decent offer came from a playoff-caliber team, I'd pull the trigger. The dude is such pro and a class act; he deserves to actually have a chance to win something before his career is over. With the level of disfunction in the Browns organization right now, he won't have a chance to win here.
I agree, but I'm not convinced he wants to leave based on his comments earlier in the year. I would only trade him if he wants to go. I would never trade a good veteran that wants to stay..
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It appears by the time the Browns have the pieces in place Thomas will be 32. If you can get a GREAT deal 1st & 3rd, pull the trigger.
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I agree that we need to make moves. Why not go for more draft picks. Let's hope that Farmer makes the correct moves though. So far, it hasn't been good.
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Barkevious Mingo Kruger Mack and Thomas
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