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This gop field are a bunch of whining spineless sissies, except for Trump apparently

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  • T The Cysko Kid

    Based on all the goings on in the middle east since 9/11 I'm increasingly of the position that while war there was unpopular it was probably in our best interest. The war in Iraq didn't stir up things like the Syrian civil war...that was already in the making. I'm just going to go on the assumption that the United states government had much better Intel than bbedward, random browns fan.

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    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Based on all the goings on in the middle east since 9/11 I'm increasingly of the position that while war there was unpopular it was probably in our best interest. The war in Iraq didn't stir up things like the Syrian civil war...that was already in the making. I'm just going to go on the assumption that the United states government had much better Intel than bbedward, random browns fan.

    The primary piece of intel they used to justify going into Iraq turned out to be false, so...

    I'm not sure how you can look at the state of Iraq + the middle east today and say it's better off since we invaded Iraq. Created massive Shia-Sunni tensions (that were already there, but turned incredibly bloody), empowered Iran, empowered Al Qaeda->Isis, the democratic-friendly US-model of government will never be adopted as Iraq and others are now turning to Russia/Iran, cost us trillion of dollars, etc, etc.

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      It turned out to be partially false but good luck selling the people on "they're probably breeding tons of new terrorists"

      Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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        Based on all the goings on in the middle east since 9/11 I'm increasingly of the position that while war there was unpopular it was probably in our best interest. The war in Iraq didn't stir up things like the Syrian civil war...that was already in the making. I'm just going to go on the assumption that the United states government had much better Intel than bbedward, random browns fan.

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        @the-cysko-kid said:

        Based on all the goings on in the middle east since 9/11 I'm increasingly of the position that while war there was unpopular it was probably in our best interest. The war in Iraq didn't stir up things like the Syrian civil war...that was already in the making. I'm just going to go on the assumption that the United states government had much better Intel than bbedward, random browns fan.

        The destabilization in Iraq led to the Syrian civil war, how is that not clear to you by now?

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          If the GOP could only get spine of steel candidates like Bernie Sanders?

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          what was he supposed to do? If he has his security remove those people guess what the black lives matter people paint him as by days end? He walked off, good for him.

          @oldbrownsfan said:

          If the GOP could only get spine of steel candidates like Bernie Sanders?

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            @the-cysko-kid said:

            Based on all the goings on in the middle east since 9/11 I'm increasingly of the position that while war there was unpopular it was probably in our best interest. The war in Iraq didn't stir up things like the Syrian civil war...that was already in the making. I'm just going to go on the assumption that the United states government had much better Intel than bbedward, random browns fan.

            The destabilization in Iraq led to the Syrian civil war, how is that not clear to you by now?

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            @clevfan4life said:

            The destabilization in Iraq led to the Syrian civil war, how is that not clear to you by now?

            No it didn't. The middle east is the most unstable region on earth and always has been. It would have happened anyway. You might as well sat the Russian war in Afghanistan caused it.

            Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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              what was he supposed to do? If he has his security remove those people guess what the black lives matter people paint him as by days end? He walked off, good for him.

              @oldbrownsfan said:

              If the GOP could only get spine of steel candidates like Bernie Sanders?

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              @clevfan4life said:

              what was he supposed to do? If he has his security remove those people guess what the black lives matter people paint him as by days end? He walked off, good for him.

              He's supposed to not let any bully that wants to take his microphone do whatever they want with no resistance.

              Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                @clevfan4life said:

                what was he supposed to do? If he has his security remove those people guess what the black lives matter people paint him as by days end? He walked off, good for him.

                He's supposed to not let any bully that wants to take his microphone do whatever they want with no resistance.

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                @the-cysko-kid said:

                He's supposed to not let any bully that wants to take his microphone do whatever they want with no resistance.

                He's running on a platform of inclusiveness, of giving a voice to the oppressed, among other things. How would that look if he refused to let them be heard?

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                  what was he supposed to do? If he has his security remove those people guess what the black lives matter people paint him as by days end? He walked off, good for him.

                  @oldbrownsfan said:

                  If the GOP could only get spine of steel candidates like Bernie Sanders?

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                  @clevfan4life said:

                  what was he supposed to do? If he has his security remove those people guess what the black lives matter people paint him as by days end? He walked off, good for him.

                  He might have thought the optics would be bad if he had those two protesters ejected but in reality it would have made good optics. It would be what Bill Clinton did with his Sister Souljah moment. When you have thousands of people come to hear you, you cannot allow a couple protesters to take the event over.

                  Sister Souljah Moment

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                    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/barack-obama/obama-if-gop-candidates-cant-handle-cnbc-how-will-they-n456251

                    This did make me chuckle (on subject of OP). Maybe he has a point?

                    "Every one of these candidates says, 'Obama's weak, Putin's kicking sand in his face. When I talk to Putin, he's going to straighten out,'" Obama said during a democratic fundraiser in New York City.

                    "And then it turns out, they can't handle a bunch of CNBC moderators," he said. "If you can't handle those guys, I don't think the Chinese and the Russians are going to be too worried about you."

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                      OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                      The candidates did deal with CNBC...very well I might add. I don't know how calling the moderators down for asking biased questions that had nothing to do with the economy (which was supposed to be what the debate was about) and kick the journalists who have about the lowest job rating of anyone in the country is anything but good politics.

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                        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                        Dealt with it by bitching about the questions, then cancelling future debates with them? Seems like they're really showing strength there.

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                          And now trying to make sure they only get asked nice questions in the future?

                          http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/republican-campaigns-lay-out-their-debate-demands-n455466

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                            Dealt with it by bitching about the questions, then cancelling future debates with them? Seems like they're really showing strength there.

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                            OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                            @gftchris said:

                            Dealt with it by bitching about the questions, then cancelling future debates with them? Seems like they're really showing strength there.

                            Get some conservative moderators to do some democratic debates (although with the democrats they have rigged the system to not have a primary election but a Clinton coronation). When CNBC tells the RNC the debate will be focused on the economy and then liberal moderators go off on a tangent with ridiculous gotcha questions and questions to get one candidate to go after the other I don't blame the RNC at all for wanting some changes before going forward.

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                              http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/barack-obama/obama-if-gop-candidates-cant-handle-cnbc-how-will-they-n456251

                              This did make me chuckle (on subject of OP). Maybe he has a point?

                              "Every one of these candidates says, 'Obama's weak, Putin's kicking sand in his face. When I talk to Putin, he's going to straighten out,'" Obama said during a democratic fundraiser in New York City.

                              "And then it turns out, they can't handle a bunch of CNBC moderators," he said. "If you can't handle those guys, I don't think the Chinese and the Russians are going to be too worried about you."

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                              @gftchris said:

                              http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/barack-obama/obama-if-gop-candidates-cant-handle-cnbc-how-will-they-n456251

                              This did make me chuckle (on subject of OP). Maybe he has a point?

                              such a good point. I mean that is spot fucking on. If they think some of these token Hispanics like Esperanza or Jose over at CN-this and that are tough customers, holy fucking shit. They are not ready to be POTUS. Putin will shit in every one of their mouths.

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                                @gftchris said:

                                Dealt with it by bitching about the questions, then cancelling future debates with them? Seems like they're really showing strength there.

                                Get some conservative moderators to do some democratic debates (although with the democrats they have rigged the system to not have a primary election but a Clinton coronation). When CNBC tells the RNC the debate will be focused on the economy and then liberal moderators go off on a tangent with ridiculous gotcha questions and questions to get one candidate to go after the other I don't blame the RNC at all for wanting some changes before going forward.

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                                gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                @oldbrownsfan said:

                                Get some conservative moderators to do some democratic debates. When CNBC tells the RNC the debate will be focused on the economy and then liberal moderators go off on a tangent with ridiculous gotcha questions and questions to get one candidate to go after the other I don't blame the RNC at all for wanting some changes before going forward.

                                You'll find me all in favour of that if you read my past posts. Asking softball questions leads to softball candidates. Ask tough questions and only those who can give tough answers will be left standing. There are far to many GOP candidates as it is clouding the field, you'd think they'd be happy for some of them to be weeded out with difficult questions.

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                                  @clevfan4life said:

                                  The destabilization in Iraq led to the Syrian civil war, how is that not clear to you by now?

                                  No it didn't. The middle east is the most unstable region on earth and always has been. It would have happened anyway. You might as well sat the Russian war in Afghanistan caused it.

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                                  @the-cysko-kid said:

                                  No it didn't. The middle east is the most unstable region on earth and always has been. It would have happened anyway. You might as well sat the Russian war in Afghanistan caused it.

                                  Well, you're right and wrong. The middle east in the 20th and 21st century is absolutely the most unstable place on earth, because of the vast foreign interests that constantly play around there. Of that there is no discussion. A bunch of those countries didn't even exist prior to ww1 and 2. Their borders were arbitrarily drawn by western interests without a skoche of deference to what were Shia or Sunni areas. So yeah that's basically setting a time bomb.

                                  But again, the uprising in Syria is a "direct" result of our bullshit in Iraq. Yes you can say there might have bee some other powder keg waiting to go off "somewhere" I the middle esat. But we're talking about Syria "SPECIFICALLY". That was because of the destabilization of Iraq.

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                                    Accuse your opponents of beating his wife.

                                    "our opponent never beat his wife"

                                    We know that, I just want to hear him deny it.

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                                      Accuse your opponents of beating his wife.

                                      "our opponent never beat his wife"

                                      We know that, I just want to hear him deny it.

                                      WSS

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                                      gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                      @westside-steve said:

                                      Accuse your opponents of beating his wife.

                                      "our opponent never beat his wife"

                                      We know that, I just want to hear him deny it.

                                      WSS

                                      One thing's for sure - you're going to get shit thrown at you once the real race starts, better to get it brought up now.

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                                        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                        Or do you think the republicans would never start throwing baseless things around to smear the opponent? A certain "african muslim" might disagree.

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                                          Or do you think the republicans would never start throwing baseless things around to smear the opponent? A certain "african muslim" might disagree.

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                                          @gftchris said:

                                          Or do you think the republicans would never start throwing baseless things around to smear the opponent? A certain "african muslim" might disagree.

                                          Did you know the whole Obama not being born in the United States or that he is a Muslim (Okay I have some reservations he might be) but all this started with the Hillary Clinton 08 campaign when she was up against Obama? It was out of her own campaign these charges originated.

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