This gop field are a bunch of whining spineless sissies, except for Trump apparently
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He is the great deceiver.
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"He Was Interested in Islam"
While attending school in Indonesia, Obama famously attended Koranic class; less known, as he recalled in Mar. 2004, was his "studying the Bible and catechisms" at the Asisi school. As each of these classes were intended just for believers, attending both was irregular. Several of his former teachers there confirm Obama's recollection. Here are three of them on this topic:
- Obama's first-grade teacher at Asisi, Israella Dharmawan, recalled to Watson of the Los Angeles Times: "At that time, Barry was also praying in a Catholic way, but Barry was Muslim. … He was registered as a Muslim because his father, Lolo Soetoro, was Muslim."
- Obama's former third-grade teacher at Besuki, Effendi, told Anne Barrowclough of the Times (London), that the school had pupils of many faiths and recalled how students attended classes on their own faiths – except for Obama, who alone insisted on attending both Christian and Islamic classes. He did so even against the wishes of his Christian mother: "His mother did not like him learning Islam, although his father was a Muslim. Sometimes she came to the school; she was angry with the religious teacher and said 'Why did you teach him the Koran?' But he kept going to the classes because he was interested in Islam."
- An administrator at Besuki, Akhmad Solikhin, expressed (to an Indonesian newspaper, the Kaltim Post, Jan. 27, 2007, translation provided by "An American Expat in Southeast Asia," quote edited for clarity) bafflement at Obama's religion: "He indeed was registered as Muslim, but he claims to be Christian."
This double religiosity, admittedly, is being discussed at a time when Obama is an international personality and when the nature of his religious affiliation had taken on political overtones; still, that three figures from his Indonesian past independently made this same point is striking and points to the complexity of Barack Obama's personal development. They also raise the inconclusive but intriguing possibility that Obama, even at the tender age of six through ten, sought to combine his maternal and paternal religions into a personal syncretic whole, presenting himself as both Christian and Muslim. In subtle ways, he still does just that.
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yea, the fix is still in....
libs and potus excercise super pac MSM's typical boilerplate , and rail against the threat of getting truthful answers!
NY Times best selling author Ed Klein said Obama’s former pastor Jeremiah Wright helped Obama accept Christianity without having to renounce Islam.
"Klein asked, “Do you think he [Obama] ever thought of himself as a Muslim?” To which Wright replied, “Yep, yep, yep, and that was this thing, I’m sure he got some grief, not proselytising grief, but grief from that part of his family, just from, and I say that based on my wide range of Muslim friends.”
Wright introduced Obama to Black Liberation theology.
that is white man very bad, very very bad.....
a president for all people!! oh wait
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Discovering the Truth
In conclusion, available evidence suggests that Obama was born and raised a Muslim and retained a Muslim identity until his late 20s. Child to a line of Muslim males, given a Muslim name, registered as a Muslim in two Indonesian schools, he read Koran in religion class, he still recites the Islamic declaration of faith, and he speaks to Muslim audiences like a fellow believer. Between his non-practicing Muslim father, his Muslim stepfather, and his four years of living in a Muslim milieu, he was both seen by others and saw himself as a Muslim.
This is not to say that he was a practicing Muslim or that he remains a Muslim today, much less an Islamist, nor that his Muslim background significantly influences his political outlook (which, in fact, is typical of an American leftist). Nor is there a problem about his converting from Islam to Christianity. The issue is Obama's having specifically and repeatedly lied about his Muslim identity. More than any other single deception, Obama's treatment of his own religious background exposes his moral failings.
Questions about Obama's TruthfulnessYet, these failings remain largely unknown to the American electorate. Consider the contrast of his case and that of James Frey, the author of A Million Little Pieces. Both Frey and Obama wrote inaccurate memoirs that Oprah Winfrey endorsed and which rose to #1 on the non-fiction bestseller list. When Frey's literary deceptions about his own drug taking and criminality became apparent, Winfrey tore viciously into him, a library reclassified his book as fiction, and the publisher offered a refund to customers who felt deceived.
In contrast, Obama's falsehoods are blithely excused; Arnold Rampersad, professor of English at Stanford University who teaches autobiography, admiringly called Dreams "so full of clever tricks—inventions for literary effect—that I was taken aback, even astonished. But make no mistake, these are simply the tricks that art trades in, and out of these tricks is supposed to come our realization of truth." Gerald Early, professor of English literature and African-American studies at Washington University in St. Louis, goes further: "It really doesn't matter if he made up stuff. … I don't think it much matters whether Barack Obama has told the absolute truth in Dreams From My Father. What's important is how he wanted to construct his life."
How odd that a lowlife's story about his sordid activities inspires high moral standards while the U.S. president's autobiography gets a pass. Tricky Dick, move over for Bogus Barry.
Mr. Pipes () is president of the Middle East Forum.
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Oh god here we go...
And a man lived in a large fish too, right?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I think there's many,many valid criticisms you could make regarding Obama and his policies, you guys are doing a great job at bringing up those criticisms so we could discuss them further.
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Oh god here we go...
And a man lived in a large fish too, right?
New International Version Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
If you are a believer (I am) you give this statement a lot of weight because it is coming from Jesus Himself. Would Jesus use a fable to describe his death and resurrection?
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Thank you for making this easy for me
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Thank you for making this easy for me
Easy for both of us: The unbeliever believes the bible to be foolishness because it is spiritually discerned. 1 Cor 2:14
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All these years later and we're still talking about this? The guy is a shit muslim if he is one, which he's not. Has it never occurred to any of you that a true "secret" mooslim would find himself more often on the conservative spectrum of things than liberal? I mean seriously....if there is an antithesis to the muslim view of the world in this country it's liberalism. I mean for gods sake, abortion...gay marriage.....equality of the sexes....all liberal cornerstones and completely antithetical to muslim idealogy.
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I've had huge Christian influences in my life. What's your point?
Do your parents still go to church?
WSS
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I've had huge Christian influences in my life. What's your point?
Do your parents still go to church?
WSS
Do your parents still go to church?
WSS
I don't think so. Maybe a poke in on Easter. My grandma does. But u don't think my parents do
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Do your parents still go to church?
WSS
I don't think so. Maybe a poke in on Easter. My grandma does. But u don't think my parents do
I don't think so. Maybe a poke in on Easter. My grandma does. But u don't think my parents do
Through about 14 or 15 I went to church because my friends went to church and we hung around. Reverend Lions would let me come in during the week and play the organ. I don't think my dad ever really went.
I went to church camp around that time.
WSS
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I don't think so. Maybe a poke in on Easter. My grandma does. But u don't think my parents do
Through about 14 or 15 I went to church because my friends went to church and we hung around. Reverend Lions would let me come in during the week and play the organ. I don't think my dad ever really went.
I went to church camp around that time.
WSS
Through about 14 or 15 I went to church because my friends went to church and we hung around. Reverend Lions would let me come in during the week and play the organ. I don't think my dad ever really went.
I went to church camp around that time.
WSS
Oh, I bet he did...
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I was a camp counselor at a church camp when I was in my early teens. Shortly after, I realized it was all a big goof.
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