Jonathan Paul Manziel

USFBrown

@d-bone said:
He won't take that bet Mark. Dude doesn't have the balls... All mouth.

But he does put balls in his mouth.

BaconHound

Manziel can prove a lot tonight with a solid performance. Cincy has a very good D and they lit him up last year. Even if the Browns lose if he is able to complete 60% for 200+ yards and more TDs than turnovers it will be a step in the right direction.

D Bone

@usfbrown said:
But he does put balls in his mouth.

Now that's talent! ( One I don't want )

jcam222

I was in Cincy last year for this game while on business. I was staying at the Crowne Plaza so headed down to the bar and barked while saying here kitty kitty to the pussy cat fans. Took quite a bit of shit until we started beating the hell out of them. Here kitty kitty and the barking just got louder and more obnoxious from me. I say tonight the stars align and we stomp there asses again.

LondonBrown

Not sure if you heard them but I was stunned, they were basically that..... he's made some plays outside the pocket but we need him to stay in the pocket, you can't argue with his production but we need to calm him down.

And that was just after a 92 yard TD drive.

Second half we haven't moved the ball.

BaconHound

@londonbrown said:

Not sure if you heard them but I was stunned, they were basically that..... he's made some plays outside the pocket but we need him to stay in the pocket, you can't argue with his production but we need to calm him down.

And that was just after a 92 yard TD drive.

Second half we haven't moved the ball.

And Cincy keeps him in the pocket in the 2nd half....

LondonBrown

You think Pettine had nothing to do with it at all?

Sorry those comments were very telling IMO

BaconHound

@londonbrown said:

You think Pettine had nothing to do with it at all?

Sorry those comments were very telling IMO

Actually I don't. Phil Simms, who I can't stand, said throughout the first half that Johnny likes his first read and then gets out of the pocket to make plays and Cincy needs to keep him in the pocket. Cincy is doing a great job of staying in formation and then closing the pocket instead of the first half when they overpursued, aka Browns defense.

Tour2ma

@londonbrown said:
Not sure if you heard them but I was stunned, they were basically that..... he's made some plays outside the pocket but we need him to stay in the pocket, you can't argue with his production but we need to calm him down.

He was saying that JM missed plays that could/should have been made from the pocket.

hx214

Johnny needs to stay in the pocket if he wants to play more than two to three games at a time.

Might be that Pet is trying to keep him alive so they can get some work In with him.

After starting him today, they basically said the season is over, so the only bright spot would be to keep him off of IR and get him this "see what we have" time.

Dude is still making one read then running in circles.

Opal312

So I guess it's all Manziel's fault. The defense wasn't on the field in the second half. And the Bengals are a good team.

Opal312

If staying in the,pocket is so damn important then why is Josh McCown a broken battered man!

Mark O

@opal312 said:
So I guess it's all Manziel's fault. The defense wasn't on the field in the second half. And the Bengals are a good team.

It's not all his fault any more than it was all McCowns fault as some tried to say so far this season. Johnny played fine. Looked pretty shaky in the 4th quarter when the game was pretty much over but overall..not all that bad and not all that great either. Didn't get a lot of help from his receivers in the 2nd half.

But to me..what the hell...let him keep playing and see what happens. I don't think he's the future but only one way to find out.

BrownsKidd

Post game commentary on NFL Network just crushed Pettine's comments. Faulk brought it up and basically said that keeping JM in the pocket is exactly what Cincy wanted, and they got it. JM was doing his thing, the thing that made him who he was at A&M, and Pettine is trying to force JM not to be Manziel. Fuck Pettine at this point in time.

Opal312

Marshall Faulk and Rich Eisen are talking about Pettine's comments about keeping him in the pocket.

After a 92 yard drive, the longest since 2013, Pettine says he needs to make plays in the pocket. Just what Cincinnati wanted and guess what! We lost.

How could Pettine says something like that? Does he know football? His comments are mind blowing!

LondonBrown

Why the fuck was Manziel drafted here if they're trying to completely change his game?

SPEK216

@hx214 said:

Johnny needs to stay in the pocket if he wants to play more than two to three games at a time.

Might be that Pet is trying to keep him alive so they can get some work In with him.

After starting him today, they basically said the season is over, so the only bright spot would be to keep him off of IR and get him this "see what we have" time.

Dude is still making one read then running in circles.

What are you talking about? Johnny was sacked ZERO times in the first half, when he was leaving the pocket.

Dumbass stupid Pettine made him stay in the pocket in the 2nd half and he got killed

Tour2ma

@opal312 said:
If staying in the,pocket is so damn important then why is Josh McCown a broken battered man!

Opal, it's a matter of seeing plays... in or out of the pocket. A couple of the plays made after bailing were missed from in the pocket...

1. the pass to MJ; and

2. the TD to Duke.

You simply don't get hero points at this level for solving the crisis you create.

BrownsKidd

What's important, playing to win, or playing in the pocket? - Marshall Faulk (paraphrased).

bringbackbrownie2

Tour is right. Rolling out of the pocket is fine but not at the expense of missing a wide open receiver.. Pettine comments made sense. All that said, record means nothing at this point so just start Johnny the rest of the way and pray he improves...