Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Johnny looked very good, I thought. He was not even close to being the cause for the loss. He made several good throws that were dropped, and he's working with a mediocre at best receiving corp.
I agree, McCown is better right now, but neither can overcome the other deficiencies of this team. I think it would be smart to keep playing Johnny for this season to see if he can build on this - it's his 4th start.
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Manziel faired well tonight
That defense, even with Haden and Quitner, still would've gotten torched.
Farmer sucks also.
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The only way Johnny gets better is if he plays. He has shown he can recognize his mistakes both on and off the field and address them. We need to let him play, take the growing pains, and see if he improves enough to be considered the future.
My biggest concern is about the missed reads. Is he missing them because he is too short to see over the line or because he just isn't going through his progressions.
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Not sure how you can say JFF "blows" when he is playing with next to nothing.
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Fuck Marshall Faulk, Eisen & the whole damn band of nfl network. "I know it all cause I was great in my time so let me tell you how its done & then flip flop" Fucks. All these fucks have spent plenty of time in a pocket themselves, Fuck you.. Pet was handed a Flip playbook & stated he wanted more involved in the offense.(stick to your fucked D issues) All your roster QB's run designed to be on time patterns. When the play gets extended Pet calls the play broken if it is not designed. We know it as Johnny Football & Johnny cant be Johnny with this staff. If you design a roll out it is designed to be protected, that what Pet wants. Call it what you want but the D is losing games & soon Jobs..
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Not a huge Manziel fan, but I thought he played pretty well, overall. He will probably not be a great qb in the NFL, but at this point, a great qb isn't going to help us. We need to scrap the entire defense...change the whole philosophy.....because honestly...this defense sucks. We have some good offensive players, but not nearly enough of them. Pettine is supposed to be a defensive guru...I haven't seen any proof of this. I have a feeling there are big changes coming at the bye.
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Not sure how you can say JFF "blows" when he is playing with next to nothing.
Not sure how you can say JFF "blows" when he is playing with next to nothing.
McCown plays with the same guys and is better.
And Johnny doesn't look like he has anything so special that he has to be played in spite of not being the best QB on the roster.
Have some pride and play the better QB, the starter of the future is not on this roster, but McCown can give you a couple good years.
Z
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Agreed. Play the best QB on the roster and try to win that day's game. I know it is apples and oranges, but the same logic would dictate sitting Joe Haden the rest of the year so we can see what we have in Justin Gilbert.
And to all the people who think it is fun to watch Johnny football. Is it more fun to watch Johnny play like Johnny and be crushed by Cincy, or watch Hoyer "hand off 45 times", as that buffoon Chuck Booms referred to it, and crush Cincy? Me, the most fun you can have is TO WIN. Remember, we were LOSING at halftime despite that awesome first half of football from Johnny.
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tour - I think you have it pretty spot on. The last sentence is what people need to realize - it was nowhere near good enough. And he is not the best QB on the roster. I thought one replay on the pass that hit Gabriel in the knee looked like the ball was tailing down to the right, not saying that it shouldn't have been caught. I thought he missed a touchdown to Barnidge being late with the ball he threw high.
But, and sorry to digress, the image that will stick with me the most was the one from behind the bench with McCown and Manziel sitting there and McCown still looked so much bigger than Johnny even without the pads that Johnny had on!
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Last year JM typically went through his first read progression read, and if the WR isn't open goes into punt return mode.
I only saw him do that once last night.
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He's a career backup at best.
He sees things too late and he has no touch.
He's too damn short and useless in the pocket.
Start McCown, he's better.
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Yeah, do that so we can go 3-13.Zombo said:
He's a career backup at best.
He sees things too late and he has no touch.
He's too damn short and useless in the pocket.
Start McCown, he's better.
It was his 4th start in his career. Bottles was horrible last year, now he's coming along. You don't know if someone can make it in the league or not after 4 games.
Z
The season is over, give Manziel the last 8 games and let him grow.
Your 10 - 6 prediction was wrong
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I'm starting to believe the reason Johnny doesn't want to stay in the pocket, is because he can't see over the lineman.
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Fuck it I'll be like tacosman
"Yea the defense was bad but only scored 10 points because our quarterback sux"
"Defense not that big of a problem"
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Yeah, do that so we can go 3-13.Zombo said:
He's a career backup at best.
He sees things too late and he has no touch.
He's too damn short and useless in the pocket.
Start McCown, he's better.
It was his 4th start in his career. Bottles was horrible last year, now he's coming along. You don't know if someone can make it in the league or not after 4 games.
Z
The season is over, give Manziel the last 8 games and let him grow.
Your 10 - 6 prediction was wrong
Yeah, do that so we can go 3-13.
We have Pittsburgh to beat twice if you aren't paying attention.
Mccown's a better quarterback, simple.
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Fuck it I'll be like tacosman
"Yea the defense was bad but only scored 10 points because our quarterback sux"
"Defense not that big of a problem"
Fuck it I'll be like tacosman
"Yea the defense was bad but only scored 10 points because our quarterback sux"
"Defense not that big of a problem"
LOL.
Defense gives up 25 yards, forces punt
Offense goes 3-and-out, punts back
Defense gets back on the field in the same position as they left
Opponents get to continue the drive where they left off
BLAME THE D!
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Yeah, do that so we can go 3-13.Zombo said:
He's a career backup at best.
He sees things too late and he has no touch.
He's too damn short and useless in the pocket.
Start McCown, he's better.
It was his 4th start in his career. Bottles was horrible last year, now he's coming along. You don't know if someone can make it in the league or not after 4 games.
Z
The season is over, give Manziel the last 8 games and let him grow.
Your 10 - 6 prediction was wrong
Yeah, do that so we can go 3-13.
dude we're going to go 3 and 13 no matter who starts at QB.
i liked what i saw from manziel. agree about his command of the offense. also agree that he threw balls of fire to receivers that needed a softer touch. but he looks miles ahead of what he looked like last year.
at this point i really don't care who starts because this season is a wash now. i guess play manziel. if he progresses each game maybe farmer won't have to draft a QB with the first pick. maybe we can actually find someone tall, with speed and can catch the fucking ball. and besides johnson you can tell the rest of the rb crew to hit the bricks.
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halftime comments? really?
now we get the torches and pitchforks out for HALFTIME COMMENTS?
you're lucky he didn't gnaw that bitch's face off after watching his team squander points, field position and make dumb fucking mistakes (again and again).
it'd be a shame for pettine to lose his job given what HE has to work with. all the pro-manziel fans point out that manziel doesn't have anything to work with.....well neither do mccown or more importantly, pettine.
our supposed 'strengths' that we all were hanging our hats on before the season were our OL and the new run-stopping tough as nails defense. both have been laughable.
i'm a big defense guy but if farmer drafted all offensive weapons next year, i wouldn't blink an eye.
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