Jonathan Paul Manziel
-
Not a huge Manziel fan, but I thought he played pretty well, overall. He will probably not be a great qb in the NFL, but at this point, a great qb isn't going to help us. We need to scrap the entire defense...change the whole philosophy.....because honestly...this defense sucks. We have some good offensive players, but not nearly enough of them. Pettine is supposed to be a defensive guru...I haven't seen any proof of this. I have a feeling there are big changes coming at the bye.
-
Not sure how you can say JFF "blows" when he is playing with next to nothing.
Not sure how you can say JFF "blows" when he is playing with next to nothing.
McCown plays with the same guys and is better.
And Johnny doesn't look like he has anything so special that he has to be played in spite of not being the best QB on the roster.
Have some pride and play the better QB, the starter of the future is not on this roster, but McCown can give you a couple good years.
Z
-
Agreed. Play the best QB on the roster and try to win that day's game. I know it is apples and oranges, but the same logic would dictate sitting Joe Haden the rest of the year so we can see what we have in Justin Gilbert.
And to all the people who think it is fun to watch Johnny football. Is it more fun to watch Johnny play like Johnny and be crushed by Cincy, or watch Hoyer "hand off 45 times", as that buffoon Chuck Booms referred to it, and crush Cincy? Me, the most fun you can have is TO WIN. Remember, we were LOSING at halftime despite that awesome first half of football from Johnny.
-
tour - I think you have it pretty spot on. The last sentence is what people need to realize - it was nowhere near good enough. And he is not the best QB on the roster. I thought one replay on the pass that hit Gabriel in the knee looked like the ball was tailing down to the right, not saying that it shouldn't have been caught. I thought he missed a touchdown to Barnidge being late with the ball he threw high.
But, and sorry to digress, the image that will stick with me the most was the one from behind the bench with McCown and Manziel sitting there and McCown still looked so much bigger than Johnny even without the pads that Johnny had on!
-
Last year JM typically went through his first read progression read, and if the WR isn't open goes into punt return mode.
I only saw him do that once last night.
-
He's a career backup at best.
He sees things too late and he has no touch.
He's too damn short and useless in the pocket.
Start McCown, he's better.
Z
Yeah, do that so we can go 3-13.Zombo said:
He's a career backup at best.
He sees things too late and he has no touch.
He's too damn short and useless in the pocket.
Start McCown, he's better.
It was his 4th start in his career. Bottles was horrible last year, now he's coming along. You don't know if someone can make it in the league or not after 4 games.
Z
The season is over, give Manziel the last 8 games and let him grow.
Your 10 - 6 prediction was wrong
-
I'm starting to believe the reason Johnny doesn't want to stay in the pocket, is because he can't see over the lineman.
-
Fuck it I'll be like tacosman
"Yea the defense was bad but only scored 10 points because our quarterback sux"
"Defense not that big of a problem"
-
Yeah, do that so we can go 3-13.Zombo said:
He's a career backup at best.
He sees things too late and he has no touch.
He's too damn short and useless in the pocket.
Start McCown, he's better.
It was his 4th start in his career. Bottles was horrible last year, now he's coming along. You don't know if someone can make it in the league or not after 4 games.
Z
The season is over, give Manziel the last 8 games and let him grow.
Your 10 - 6 prediction was wrong
Yeah, do that so we can go 3-13.
We have Pittsburgh to beat twice if you aren't paying attention.
Mccown's a better quarterback, simple.
-
Fuck it I'll be like tacosman
"Yea the defense was bad but only scored 10 points because our quarterback sux"
"Defense not that big of a problem"
Fuck it I'll be like tacosman
"Yea the defense was bad but only scored 10 points because our quarterback sux"
"Defense not that big of a problem"
LOL.
Defense gives up 25 yards, forces punt
Offense goes 3-and-out, punts back
Defense gets back on the field in the same position as they left
Opponents get to continue the drive where they left off
BLAME THE D!
-
Yeah, do that so we can go 3-13.Zombo said:
He's a career backup at best.
He sees things too late and he has no touch.
He's too damn short and useless in the pocket.
Start McCown, he's better.
It was his 4th start in his career. Bottles was horrible last year, now he's coming along. You don't know if someone can make it in the league or not after 4 games.
Z
The season is over, give Manziel the last 8 games and let him grow.
Your 10 - 6 prediction was wrong
Yeah, do that so we can go 3-13.
dude we're going to go 3 and 13 no matter who starts at QB.
i liked what i saw from manziel. agree about his command of the offense. also agree that he threw balls of fire to receivers that needed a softer touch. but he looks miles ahead of what he looked like last year.
at this point i really don't care who starts because this season is a wash now. i guess play manziel. if he progresses each game maybe farmer won't have to draft a QB with the first pick. maybe we can actually find someone tall, with speed and can catch the fucking ball. and besides johnson you can tell the rest of the rb crew to hit the bricks.
-
halftime comments? really?
now we get the torches and pitchforks out for HALFTIME COMMENTS?
you're lucky he didn't gnaw that bitch's face off after watching his team squander points, field position and make dumb fucking mistakes (again and again).
it'd be a shame for pettine to lose his job given what HE has to work with. all the pro-manziel fans point out that manziel doesn't have anything to work with.....well neither do mccown or more importantly, pettine.
our supposed 'strengths' that we all were hanging our hats on before the season were our OL and the new run-stopping tough as nails defense. both have been laughable.
i'm a big defense guy but if farmer drafted all offensive weapons next year, i wouldn't blink an eye.
-
He's a career backup at best.
He sees things too late and he has no touch.
He's too damn short and useless in the pocket.
Start McCown, he's better.
Z
I agree completely! He reminds me of a girl slapping Brady Quinn.Zombo said:
He's a career backup at best.
He sees things too late and he has no touch.
He's too damn short and useless in the pocket.
Start McCown, he's better.
Z
-
Yeah, do that so we can go 3-13.
dude we're going to go 3 and 13 no matter who starts at QB.
i liked what i saw from manziel. agree about his command of the offense. also agree that he threw balls of fire to receivers that needed a softer touch. but he looks miles ahead of what he looked like last year.
at this point i really don't care who starts because this season is a wash now. i guess play manziel. if he progresses each game maybe farmer won't have to draft a QB with the first pick. maybe we can actually find someone tall, with speed and can catch the fucking ball. and besides johnson you can tell the rest of the rb crew to hit the bricks.
dude we're going to go 3 and 13 no matter who starts at QB.
i liked what i saw from manziel. agree about his command of the offense. also agree that he threw balls of fire to receivers that needed a softer touch. but he looks miles ahead of what he looked like last year.
at this point i really don't care who starts because this season is a wash now. i guess play manziel. if he progresses each game maybe farmer won't have to draft a QB with the first pick. maybe we can actually find someone tall, with speed and can catch the fucking ball. and besides johnson you can tell the rest of the rb crew to hit the bricks.
I'm with you. At least give him a chance to grow. He's played in 5 games. You give a quarterback at least 2 if not 3 seasons to grow before you give up on them.
-
I'm a Bengals fan....don't shoot.
My take on Manziel is he is not all that much different than Collin Kapernick, or Russel Wilson. If you want to be successful with him then you are going to have to design a scheme around him. He is not an in the pocket passer and neither are those guys. People don't like to admit it, but Russel Wilson is not good, or comfortable, in the pocket. He scrambles when he doesn't need to so he can get outside and make plays. If the Seahawks asked wilson to stay in the pocket like the browns did in the second half last night they would get crushed. Kapernick went from a Super Bowl QB to benched because the current coaching staff has gotten away from the scheme that made him work.
Like the Seahawks the Browns need to commit to a solid power running game and use a lot of bootlegs to compliment it. This would do a couple things for the offense, the first being it get Manziel outside in space to more easily see his receivers, but also gives him a run pass option. It in turn will help the running game as the backside defender must stay home and not chase down run plays from the backside or else risk getting beat on the bootleg.
Things like rollouts would help because it gets Manziel outside, but also because they are easy reads normally two man route combinations to his strong side with the third option being a run. These are safe ways the Browns can set him up for success if they actually wish to try. From where he was last year to where he is now tells me he can improve at a good clip, however it is a matter of if the team wants to invest in trying to compliment him.
-
What was he supposed to say? The truth? "Johnny Girlslapper sucks and will never be more than a career backup" Typical bs from the team with the very most losses since 99.
-
at this point i think what hoorta said about fitting round pegs into square holes can be seen vividly in pettine's face. i think he truly dislikes manziel as his 'type' of QB that he covets. and it may come down to one of them being gone from the team next year.
i'm a pettine supporter and didn't like the manziel pick at all. kid has talent but i don't see him as an AFCN QB. sorry, just don't. i think pettine would take a zach mettenberger today if he walked in his office and manziel would be walking out with his locker room contents in a bag tied on a stick.
-
I'm a Bengals fan....don't shoot.
My take on Manziel is he is not all that much different than Collin Kapernick, or Russel Wilson. If you want to be successful with him then you are going to have to design a scheme around him. He is not an in the pocket passer and neither are those guys. People don't like to admit it, but Russel Wilson is not good, or comfortable, in the pocket. He scrambles when he doesn't need to so he can get outside and make plays. If the Seahawks asked wilson to stay in the pocket like the browns did in the second half last night they would get crushed. Kapernick went from a Super Bowl QB to benched because the current coaching staff has gotten away from the scheme that made him work.
Like the Seahawks the Browns need to commit to a solid power running game and use a lot of bootlegs to compliment it. This would do a couple things for the offense, the first being it get Manziel outside in space to more easily see his receivers, but also gives him a run pass option. It in turn will help the running game as the backside defender must stay home and not chase down run plays from the backside or else risk getting beat on the bootleg.
Things like rollouts would help because it gets Manziel outside, but also because they are easy reads normally two man route combinations to his strong side with the third option being a run. These are safe ways the Browns can set him up for success if they actually wish to try. From where he was last year to where he is now tells me he can improve at a good clip, however it is a matter of if the team wants to invest in trying to compliment him.
I'm a Bengals fan....don't shoot.
My take on Manziel is he is not all that much different than Collin Kapernick, or Russel Wilson. If you want to be successful with him then you are going to have to design a scheme around him. He is not an in the pocket passer and neither are those guys. People don't like to admit it, but Russel Wilson is not good, or comfortable, in the pocket. He scrambles when he doesn't need to so he can get outside and make plays. If the Seahawks asked wilson to stay in the pocket like the browns did in the second half last night they would get crushed. Kapernick went from a Super Bowl QB to benched because the current coaching staff has gotten away from the scheme that made him work.
Like the Seahawks the Browns need to commit to a solid power running game and use a lot of bootlegs to compliment it. This would do a couple things for the offense, the first being it get Manziel outside in space to more easily see his receivers, but also gives him a run pass option. It in turn will help the running game as the backside defender must stay home and not chase down run plays from the backside or else risk getting beat on the bootleg.
Things like rollouts would help because it gets Manziel outside, but also because they are easy reads normally two man route combinations to his strong side with the third option being a run. These are safe ways the Browns can set him up for success if they actually wish to try. From where he was last year to where he is now tells me he can improve at a good clip, however it is a matter of if the team wants to invest in trying to compliment him.
let me ask you as a bengal's fan (nice win btw.....and your team looks legit, again).
what do you say to the people hear that are calling for the coach's and GM's head? i mean how many years has lewis been there? multiple losses in first games of playoff appearances and he's still there? my god he'd be set on fire if he did that in cleveland.
so do you believe that continuity is important or do you just keep firing and hiring until you find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow?
just curious.
-
You've got to stick with manziel. Got to got to got to. You've also got to let him go what he does. It's the only couse of action for this team right now
-
Yeah, do that so we can go 3-13.Zombo said:
He's a career backup at best.
He sees things too late and he has no touch.
He's too damn short and useless in the pocket.
Start McCown, he's better.
It was his 4th start in his career. Bottles was horrible last year, now he's coming along. You don't know if someone can make it in the league or not after 4 games.
Z
The season is over, give Manziel the last 8 games and let him grow.
Your 10 - 6 prediction was wrong
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login