Margin of Error Supersedes Improved QB Play Here
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One thought that Farmer would never admit, is that Bowe was really intended to be the bridge(1 yr filler) till Gordon came back...Now, I know we cant "count" on Gordon and I know that Bowe has been a disaster.....
but I do see what he was thinking.....and IF it had worked out well with Bowe, then we'd have that big strong receiver now.....and would be coming out next year with both Bowe and Gordon....along with all the speedy smurfs....and we'd have a versatile, solid group with a superstar quality receiver leading the way....and w/o spending a high pick.....
Anyway....thats what I think they were thinking......
But why not keep a 6'3 Miles Austin who proved to be a serviceable, go-to guy in 2014? Not to mention that he was a good bit cheaper than Bowe.
As for Evans... his 24 receptions would fit right in...
But why not keep a 6'3 Miles Austin who proved to be a serviceable, go-to guy in 2014? Not to mention that he was a good bit cheaper than Bowe.
As for Evans... his 24 receptions would fit right in...
Good points. We've had some really crappy WR Corps here since 1999 that haven't helped the QBs out very much. That being the case, how is it we're deeming guys Lance Moore, Willie Snead and most recently, Josh Lenz as not up to snuff. Even more outrageous is why did we draft a guy like Greg Little thinking we'll just teach him how to catch and coach him up. The teams always bettering us in the standings never had to teach professionals like Antonio Brown, AJ Green, and Anquan Boldin how to catch.
Here's another thing about those doing our drafting, draft BETTER tacklers. Nobody had to teach Eric Turner, Lawrence Taylor, JJ Watt, Reggie White, Carl Banks, Mike Singletary, Kikko Alonso, Sean Lee, Ronnie Lott, Jerry Sherk, Clay Matthews, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed or T. Suggs how to tackle.
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It's stats. They looked at Gilbert and saw stats in college,
against guys who weren't often NFL caliber.
I have to believe guys know how to tackle, but they don't -
they don't love the game enough.
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Is this supposed to be pro or anti tall receivers? I'm a little confused.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
One thought that Farmer would never admit, is that Bowe was really intended to be the bridge(1 yr filler) till Gordon came back...Now, I know we cant "count" on Gordon and I know that Bowe has been a disaster.....
but I do see what he was thinking.....and IF it had worked out well with Bowe, then we'd have that big strong receiver now.....and would be coming out next year with both Bowe and Gordon....along with all the speedy smurfs....and we'd have a versatile, solid group with a superstar quality receiver leading the way....and w/o spending a high pick.....
Anyway....thats what I think they were thinking......
But why not keep a 6'3 Miles Austin who proved to be a serviceable, go-to guy in 2014? Not to mention that he was a good bit cheaper than Bowe.
As for Evans... his 24 receptions would fit right in...
But why not keep a 6'3 Miles Austin who proved to be a serviceable, go-to guy in 2014? Not to mention that he was a good bit cheaper than Bowe.
Was asking the same....but never did figure that one out.....
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Was asking the same....but never did figure that one out.....
Didn't Miles drop a lot of balls though. I can recall a few big ones.
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Is this supposed to be pro or anti tall receivers? I'm a little confused.
Is this supposed to be pro or anti tall receivers? I'm a little confused.
Who are you asking that question to? My thesis to promote a balanced attack in the red zone is more size on the perimeter. That said, I was hoping we'd aim higher than garage sale choices no-one else was interested only to overpay dearly for them.
Why did Miami phase Hartline out? upside in rear view mirror unless our first 8 games showed someone else otherwise. When was the last time Dwayne Bowe posted numbers an NFL team should be interested in? Upside parked 2-3 years ago. What round of the did we prioritize WR help in? So we landed a guy with a 2 year football resume with more questions about his hands than those in charge of our draft were willing to ask.
Lenz is 6'1" with an agenda to prove himself so we cut that and kept a lazy 9 million $ entitlement. Good message to the players or bad message? 3 different vets spoke up about this cut - which doesn't appear to be promoting quite the same "play like a Brown" last year did. If anything, it invited players questioning the sincerity of it all from above.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
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Didn't Miles drop a lot of balls though. I can recall a few big ones.
He dropped a few, but no more than any of our other receivers....in fact, he had the highest catch % on the team...
Austin 70%
Benji 39%
Gabe 53%
Hawk 63%
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Receptions divided by targets?
Outsiders has a really neat 2014 break down including uncatchable targets with them even broken down more... overthrows, underthrows, defensed, etc. The Defensed part is interesting.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/2014-incomplete-pass-breakdown-receivers
Last bit is a drops chart and Miles was the 2nd highest 2014 Brown at 5.6% behind only Gabe at 6.9%...
But here's the funny thing... new addition Hart (6.3%) and Bowe (7.4%) were both worse than Miles.
Miles and Gabe had two of the lowest defensed rates among WRs with 50 or more targets. There is a lot to chew on in that article.
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Is this supposed to be pro or anti tall receivers? I'm a little confused.
Who are you asking that question to? My thesis to promote a balanced attack in the red zone is more size on the perimeter. That said, I was hoping we'd aim higher than garage sale choices no-one else was interested only to overpay dearly for them.
Why did Miami phase Hartline out? upside in rear view mirror unless our first 8 games showed someone else otherwise. When was the last time Dwayne Bowe posted numbers an NFL team should be interested in? Upside parked 2-3 years ago. What round of the did we prioritize WR help in? So we landed a guy with a 2 year football resume with more questions about his hands than those in charge of our draft were willing to ask.
Lenz is 6'1" with an agenda to prove himself so we cut that and kept a lazy 9 million $ entitlement. Good message to the players or bad message? 3 different vets spoke up about this cut - which doesn't appear to be promoting quite the same "play like a Brown" last year did. If anything, it invited players questioning the sincerity of it all from above.
Who are you asking that question to? My thesis to promote a balanced attack in the red zone is more size on the perimeter. That said, I was hoping we'd aim higher than garage sale choices no-one else was interested only to overpay dearly for them.
Why did Miami phase Hartline out? upside in rear view mirror unless our first 8 games showed someone else otherwise. When was the last time Dwayne Bowe posted numbers an NFL team should be interested in? Upside parked 2-3 years ago. What round of the did we prioritize WR help in? So we landed a guy with a 2 year football resume with more questions about his hands than those in charge of our draft were willing to ask.
Lenz is 6'1" with an agenda to prove himself so we cut that and kept a lazy 9 million $ entitlement. Good message to the players or bad message? 3 different vets spoke up about this cut - which doesn't appear to be promoting quite the same "play like a Brown" last year did. If anything, it invited players questioning the sincerity of it all from above.
You.
Just couldn't really glean how you felt on our receiver size. I agree with your overall points.
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Who are you asking that question to? My thesis to promote a balanced attack in the red zone is more size on the perimeter. That said, I was hoping we'd aim higher than garage sale choices no-one else was interested only to overpay dearly for them.
Why did Miami phase Hartline out? upside in rear view mirror unless our first 8 games showed someone else otherwise. When was the last time Dwayne Bowe posted numbers an NFL team should be interested in? Upside parked 2-3 years ago. What round of the did we prioritize WR help in? So we landed a guy with a 2 year football resume with more questions about his hands than those in charge of our draft were willing to ask.
Lenz is 6'1" with an agenda to prove himself so we cut that and kept a lazy 9 million $ entitlement. Good message to the players or bad message? 3 different vets spoke up about this cut - which doesn't appear to be promoting quite the same "play like a Brown" last year did. If anything, it invited players questioning the sincerity of it all from above.
You.
Just couldn't really glean how you felt on our receiver size. I agree with your overall points.
You.
Just couldn't really glean how you felt on our receiver size. I agree with your overall points.
Speaking of which in case I missed it's posting: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/11/cleveland_browns_must_change_t.html
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One thought that Farmer would never admit, is that Bowe was really intended to be the bridge(1 yr filler) till Gordon came back...Now, I know we cant "count" on Gordon and I know that Bowe has been a disaster.....
but I do see what he was thinking.....and IF it had worked out well with Bowe, then we'd have that big strong receiver now.....and would be coming out next year with both Bowe and Gordon....along with all the speedy smurfs....and we'd have a versatile, solid group with a superstar quality receiver leading the way....and w/o spending a high pick.....
Anyway....thats what I think they were thinking......
But why not keep a 6'3 Miles Austin who proved to be a serviceable, go-to guy in 2014? Not to mention that he was a good bit cheaper than Bowe.
As for Evans... his 24 receptions would fit right in...
But why not keep a 6'3 Miles Austin who proved to be a serviceable, go-to guy in 2014? Not to mention that he was a good bit cheaper than Bowe.
As for Evans... his 24 receptions would fit right in...
Keeping Austin over Bowe should have been a no-brainer in hindsight.
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Actually it invited players to question the competence of those making these kinds of decision. And it had more to do with foresight than hindsight. It has become quite obvious that whomever Farmer wants to blame, whether it be he or his "committee", has no inkling of the impact of premier WR's, not just in the passing game, but in the running game as well. If you can't get the front 7 concerned about stopping the passing game it gives them free reign to crunch your running game into 2 yards and a cloud of losing. Add to that a D that can't stop anything on the edge and often up the middle, then you have the perfect recipe for continued bottom dweller. And when are they going to put Shelton on a good strength & conditioning program. He either needs to drop 30 lbs of slowing flab or turn it into something a lot more effective.
Sorry-I'm just disgusted with this "pro" staff at all levels.
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Actually it invited players to question the competence of those making these kinds of decision. And it had more to do with foresight than hindsight. It has become quite obvious that whomever Farmer wants to blame, whether it be he or his "committee", has no inkling of the impact of premier WR's, not just in the passing game, but in the running game as well. If you can't get the front 7 concerned about stopping the passing game it gives them free reign to crunch your running game into 2 yards and a cloud of losing. Add to that a D that can't stop anything on the edge and often up the middle, then you have the perfect recipe for continued bottom dweller. And when are they going to put Shelton on a good strength & conditioning program. He either needs to drop 30 lbs of slowing flab or turn it into something a lot more effective.
Sorry-I'm just disgusted with this "pro" staff at all levels.
Actually it invited players to question the competence of those making these kinds of decision. And it had more to do with foresight than hindsight. It has become quite obvious that whomever Farmer wants to blame, whether it be he or his "committee", has no inkling of the impact of premier WR's, not just in the passing game, but in the running game as well. If you can't get the front 7 concerned about stopping the passing game it gives them free reign to crunch your running game into 2 yards and a cloud of losing. Add to that a D that can't stop anything on the edge and often up the middle, then you have the perfect recipe for continued bottom dweller. And when are they going to put Shelton on a good strength & conditioning program. He either needs to drop 30 lbs of slowing flab or turn it into something a lot more effective.
Sorry-I'm just disgusted with this "pro" staff at all levels.
The perfect recipe for a bottom dweller is drafting Johnny Dipstick in the first round.
I see he was down in Texas partying with coeds this past weekend while McCown was in the training room and watching film.
You've admitted you are a Denver fan, yet all you do is bitch about the Browns.
We have enough Browns fans bitching on here we don't outsiders teeing off on us.
We're going to whip the shit out of Pittsburgh and get this thing moving, and I don't know what you guys are going to have to bitch about for the rest of the season.
Zombo
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Actually it invited players to question the competence of those making these kinds of decision. And it had more to do with foresight than hindsight. It has become quite obvious that whomever Farmer wants to blame, whether it be he or his "committee", has no inkling of the impact of premier WR's, not just in the passing game, but in the running game as well. If you can't get the front 7 concerned about stopping the passing game it gives them free reign to crunch your running game into 2 yards and a cloud of losing. Add to that a D that can't stop anything on the edge and often up the middle, then you have the perfect recipe for continued bottom dweller. And when are they going to put Shelton on a good strength & conditioning program. He either needs to drop 30 lbs of slowing flab or turn it into something a lot more effective.
Sorry-I'm just disgusted with this "pro" staff at all levels.
The perfect recipe for a bottom dweller is drafting Johnny Dipstick in the first round.
I see he was down in Texas partying with coeds this past weekend while McCown was in the training room and watching film.
You've admitted you are a Denver fan, yet all you do is bitch about the Browns.
We have enough Browns fans bitching on here we don't outsiders teeing off on us.
We're going to whip the shit out of Pittsburgh and get this thing moving, and I don't know what you guys are going to have to bitch about for the rest of the season.
Zombo
Zombo said:
The perfect recipe for a bottom dweller is drafting Johnny Dipstick in the first round.
I see he was down in Texas partying with coeds this past weekend while McCown was in the training room and watching film.
You've admitted you are a Denver fan, yet all you do is bitch about the Browns.
We have enough Browns fans bitching on here we don't outsiders teeing off on us.
We're going to whip the shit out of Pittsburgh and get this thing moving, and I don't know what you guys are going to have to bitch about for the rest of the season.
Zombo
Just you Z, just you. LOL
OH, and the horse you rode in on too. 
I came back and decided not to take any of your insults seriously. Nice try though.
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Zombo said:
The perfect recipe for a bottom dweller is drafting Johnny Dipstick in the first round.
I see he was down in Texas partying with coeds this past weekend while McCown was in the training room and watching film.
You've admitted you are a Denver fan, yet all you do is bitch about the Browns.
We have enough Browns fans bitching on here we don't outsiders teeing off on us.
We're going to whip the shit out of Pittsburgh and get this thing moving, and I don't know what you guys are going to have to bitch about for the rest of the season.
Zombo
Just you Z, just you. LOL
OH, and the horse you rode in on too. I came back and decided not to take any of your insults seriously. Nice try though.
Just you Z, just you. LOL
OH, and the horse you rode in on too. I came back and decided not to take any of your insults seriously. Nice try though.
I don't think there were any insults in there. I said you were a fan of the Broncos (true?) and you bitch about the Browns (true).
Maybe ripping on Johnny is what you find insulting. As we watch his career unfold ... you're going to need to get over that.
Zombo
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Just you Z, just you. LOL
OH, and the horse you rode in on too. I came back and decided not to take any of your insults seriously. Nice try though.
I don't think there were any insults in there. I said you were a fan of the Broncos (true?) and you bitch about the Browns (true).
Maybe ripping on Johnny is what you find insulting. As we watch his career unfold ... you're going to need to get over that.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
Maybe ripping on Johnny is what you find insulting. As we watch his career unfold ... you're going to need to get over that.
Zombo
Unfold? Dont you mean unravel?
Unfold? Dont you mean unravel?
Pretty sure for that to be true it'll have to ravel first.
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