Bernie wants the job.....
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While we're on the subject, Joe Thomas for GM when he retires, IMO.
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Totally agree, Bernie has always been a "Cleveland Brown" and I believe he would hold the organization's best interest to heart.
I dont know either....but this is kind of how I feel.....
He will at least give his heart and soul to the team.....and make all his decisions for the "right" reasons....
Same can be said of 90% of the members here. Doesn't mean we are qualified to be GM.
Same can be said of 90% of the members here. Doesn't mean we are qualified to be GM.
How about GM by committee - vote on every single draft pick and roster decision...
Let's just go get bill belichick and skip the middle men.
While we're on the subject, Joe Thomas for GM when he retires, IMO.
We'll assume you are a no......
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I think Weedon would do well. He has been with the Browns and been through it's QB wringer and fully understands what bad football really looks like.
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What's TD tommy vardell doing these days?
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Same can be said of 90% of the members here. Doesn't mean we are qualified to be GM.
How about GM by committee - vote on every single draft pick and roster decision...
Let's just go get bill belichick and skip the middle men.
While we're on the subject, Joe Thomas for GM when he retires, IMO.
We'll assume you are a no......
We'll assume you are a no......
Ha! Yeah, I'm not on board with it. He has no qualifications besides 'loves the browns' which he has in common with many.
Dead serious about Joe Thomas though, you read his interviews and you can see there's a deep thinker in there.
http://videos.cleveland.com/plain-dealer/2015/10/browns_joe_thomas_on_dt_vs_de.html
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Peyton's the man
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Maybe it's a photographic memory. Or perhaps it's a microprocessor mind that allows for instant recollection of long-ago minutiae. Or it's the countless hours of study and repetition.
For Peyton Manning, all are among his primary assets as a quarterback. And they help explain not only his career, but a deep appreciation of the past, and the people who helped him reach this point.
Among those at the top of the list are two men who will spend this week plotting to topple Manning and the Broncos: Cardinals head coach Bruce Arians and assistant head coach/offensive consultant Tom Moore.
When the Indianapolis Colts drafted Manning 16 years ago, Moore was the offensive coordinator and Arians the quarterbacks coach. Their task was to make Manning a franchise quarterback worthy of that year's top overall pick.
To put it mildly, mission accomplished. Manning admits today he is "indebted" to both of them.
Manning, Moore and Arians share a variety of traits, chief among them honesty, intelligence and persistence. "Good" was not good enough. Their triumvirate was perfect for making Manning what he became.
Moore, as the Colts' offensive coordinator, endured. For the first 13 years of Manning's career, they worked together, creating some of the most dynamic offenses the league has ever seen.
"It’s pretty rare for coordinator and a quarterback to stay that long together," Manning said. "People used to always tell both of us, 'Boy, you’re lucky you got the same coordinator every year and they tell him you’ve got the same quarterback every year.'
"I think we both kind of say, ‘Hey, if you call good plays and you play good quarterback, they’re going to keep you.'"
Arians might have had the chance to linger if he'd taken it. But larger roles awaited for him, which led him to a head-coaching career that is already a phenomenal success. After the 2000 season, Arians left Indianapolis to become the Browns' offensive coordinator. He spent nine of the next 12 seasons as a coordinator for the Browns, Steelers, and finally, in 2012, the Colts.
Other quarterback coaches guided Manning, and added to the foundation laid by Arians. But to this day, Manning leans upon Arians' detailed instruction.
"He would coach me hard and I would kind of learn what I did wrong and I really used that experience and got a lot better my second year," Manning said. "So I’ll be indebted to Bruce, as well. He taught me a lot of fundamentals in those first three years that I still use today."
The roles Arians and Moore have in Arizona are reversed from their Indianapolis days; now it's Moore who works as Arians' right-hand man. But their work remains impeccable. Their coaching of Carson Palmer and, now, Drew Stanton, further cements their status as quarterback whisperers.
Not that the self-deprecating Arians will admit to being a guru of the position. That was evident when he was asked about Manning's progress since Arians left the Colts after the 2000 season.
"He’s gotten a lot smarter," Arians said. "He overcame my coaching, that’s for sure."
Manning's willingness to take himself down a peg matches Arians when the subject of his rookie season arises. The quarterback is quick to mention the NFL rookie record for interceptions that he set in 1998 -- "which anytime one of these rookies wants to break it, I’m all for it," he added.
But Manning's growth that year was obvious. In the second half of the season, his quarterback rating was 13.6 points higher, his touchdown-to-interception ratio had nearly flipped (from 11-to-16 to 15-to-12), his yardage per attempt increased by 0.2 yards and his completion percentage rose by 3.2 percent.
"You knew he was going to be a great player—that turnaround he made from the first eight games to the second [half of his rookie season], let alone the first year to the second year," Arians said. "You saw the greatness coming."
Arians also saw the mental edge that Manning had. His rapacity for devouring data led Arians to call Manning "the piranha" this week.
"You can't give him enough information. I mean, he eats it up," Arians said. "If you had an hour-and-a-half meeting scheduled with him, you'd better have two and a half hours of material ready, because he was going to eat through it so fast and be able to give it back to you."
For Manning, that was -- and is -- the only way to operate.
"When you come in as a rookie, I think that’s a good approach to have, to ask a lot of questions and try to learn as much as you can," Manning said.
"During the good times and the bad times of my first year with Bruce, it was tough. We only won three games. But the next two years we went to the playoffs and we turned it around, and I think (it was) because I asked a lot of questions and Bruce gave me honest answers, as did Tom.
"So I guess one thing I do fairly well is I can recall conversations and answers to questions from a long time ago and situations, and I think that helps you as a quarterback when you can refer to something that happened years ago."
And the "piranha" nickname?
"I take it as a compliment," Manning said.
"Peyton the piranha." It has a ring to it. But it might not be something you could say today without Arians and Moore challenging Manning to extract everything possible from his talent and skills.
They were the right brains together at the right time, and the history of the quarterback position in the NFL is changed because of it.
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Totally agree, Bernie has always been a "Cleveland Brown" and I believe he would hold the organization's best interest to heart.
I dont know either....but this is kind of how I feel.....
He will at least give his heart and soul to the team.....and make all his decisions for the "right" reasons....
Same can be said of 90% of the members here. Doesn't mean we are qualified to be GM.
Same can be said of 90% of the members here. Doesn't mean we are qualified to be GM.
I don't know how he'd be as a GM- but OC?
Ha! Yeah, I'm not on board with it. He has no qualifications besides 'loves the browns' which he has in common with many.
Dead serious about Joe Thomas though, you read his interviews and you can see there's a deep thinker in there.
http://videos.cleveland.com/plain-dealer/2015/10/browns_joe_thomas_on_dt_vs_de.html
Chris, you probably didn't get the preseason feeds when Bernie was the color commentator. The guy could see how a defense was set up against our offense. Heard him say more than once "that play's not going to work". POW.
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Sure, he wants a job. So far he hasn't been a success in business.
How often do star players become successful general managers? I think people would answer that question differently if it were another quarterback with his resume that sounded like they were brain damaged.
Yes he would get a longer lease from Bernie fans around here. Quite possibly too long. Think about it. Why is no other football organization offered him a job within their program? And you know we'd have heard about it if they did.
Rehab? We don't know that he is the kind of alcoholic that has to drink everyday. On the other hand if he's drunk when he's on the radio or TV that could easily be the case. Seems like if you could stay silver for a few hours a week airtime would be a good choice. Otherwise he's punchy.
And like mud I have no reason to think that Peyton Manning would be suited for this job.
One more time great players are rarely great coaches or office personnel unless somebody does the research to prove me wrong.
WSS
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There are a few former players that are now a GM or involved with player acquisitions, but they are in the minority.
Off the top of my head I can only think of:
Marvin Lewis
Ozzy Newsome
John Elway
Ray Farmer
Steve Keim
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Yeah...we don't want Bernie in here. We're doing great without him. Sure...maybe he has forgotten more about football, and players with talent then we will ever know, but he talks funny. Let's just see what idiot we can lure into coming here as GM, that wants a lot of money. I'm sure that will work out better. Of course, we never really want to have a winning team....we wouldn't know how to act. Yeah...screw Bernie...that's the right mentality. Besides....he had several successful businesses, for 20+ years, then had to file bankruptcy after being way too generous helping his family and friends. What a jerk! I'm glad you geniuses saw through all this crap...I would have never figured it out. Who needs Bernie Kosar??...we had Mike Holmgren...self proclaimed qb guru, and we let him get away. Yep...I'm sure you guys are right...we're on the right track. It just takes time to build a mediocre team.
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I would love having Bernie be involved, maybe not as GM but as some sort of consultant. I'm not sure how great he is at scouting talent but he is great at reading offenses and defenses and can really help our young coordinators out, especially O'Neil. This is a guy who actually does care for the Cleveland Browns and would help change the losing culture in the organization.
I would love having Bernie be involved, maybe not as GM but as some sort of consultant.
Sure, he wants a job. So far he hasn't been a success in business.
How about Lead QB Scout?
Here's the thing... a GM has a department to run and as WSS points out there has been zero evidence Bernie can do that. Also not sure what evidence he's shown that he can evaluate players beyond the QB position.
Get him involved in some capacity that suits his skillset and see how he does. If the promise of more emerges...
Even Ozzie was not handed the keys overnite. He worked in our and the Ravens's FO for 12 years before he was made GM.
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He needs to be asst offensive coordinator....
to Flip.
Let Kosar call the plays.
Let him scout for the wr's in the draft.
He would do a ton of great things for the Browns.
And GM? In a freaking heartbeat.
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There was a personnel director that stepped down a month ago that kept old browns players out since our return. Old browns were disgusted with new reshime.Hell yes you find Bernie a spot than hope more old browns players follow... Than Draft The Talent We Need to fix this mess. Can these coaches win with better talent? I got no for now...
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At this point what can it hurt? Seriously.
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There should be a running list of people who said "yes" to this, so that we have an official list of stupid people.
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There are a few former players that are now a GM or involved with player acquisitions, but they are in the minority.
Off the top of my head I can only think of:
Marvin Lewis
Ozzy Newsome
John Elway
Ray Farmer
Steve Keim
There are a few former players that are now a GM or involved with player acquisitions, but they are in the minority.
Off the top of my head I can only think of:
Marvin Lewis
Ozzy Newsome
John Elway
Ray Farmer
Steve Keim
Oh I wouldn't be surprised that many GM's had played some ball but I'm just saying a great player, which includes Ozzy and Elway, but...
( maybe your other three guys were great, I don't remember and too lazy to look them up)
WSS
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@douche-nozzle said:
I undersgtand the love affair with Kosar but there is nothing to suggest that he has the skill to be the "businessman" to fill this position. He was maybe a top ten QB in the 80's, and the darling on the only team to give Browns fans something to cheer about for the last 50 years, but that doesn't mean a thing when it comes to the position of GM of an NFL franchise.
Nobody wants a goddamn steeler fan's opinion.
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At this point what can it hurt? Seriously.
At this point what can it hurt? Seriously.
Another statement of, "let's take a chance (on somebody)
Question: At least to the fans, is this organization THAT desperate?
Answer: Clearly "Yes"
Maybe Bernie should be 'shut off' by the organization in the same way they did it to Jim Brown (at least, temporarily).
To me, he seems to be a 'charity' case in the same way Derek Sanderson was with the Bruins.
I like Bernie. He played hard and gave fans many thrills.
Let him be...........................
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There are a few former players that are now a GM or involved with player acquisitions, but they are in the minority.
Off the top of my head I can only think of:
Marvin Lewis
Ozzy Newsome
John Elway
Ray Farmer
Steve Keim
Oh I wouldn't be surprised that many GM's had played some ball but I'm just saying a great player, which includes Ozzy and Elway, but...
( maybe your other three guys were great, I don't remember and too lazy to look them up)
WSS
Oh I wouldn't be surprised that many GM's had played some ball but I'm just saying a great player, which includes Ozzy and Elway, but...
( maybe your other three guys were great, I don't remember and too lazy to look them up)
WSS
Plus I wonder if any of them, great average or suck had been out of professional football as long as Bernie.
WSS
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There should be a running list of people who said "yes" to this, so that we have an official list of stupid people.
. I would go as far as stupid in saying bring him in after week 9 into bye. Name a gm that wants to be here ? & you don't start prepping a draft at the end of a season with no gm. Bernie can scout needs & Pet as a coach & his staff..
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