Connor Cook for QB and Adam Gase for head coach.

Mark O

@bringbackbrownie2 said:
It is a bullshit rating, but Cam also isn't that good.. I would love to have Carolina's defense though..

I'd trade most, if not all of our draft picks to have him play QB for the Browns. I'd love to have a guy who "isn't that good" as our QB.

bringbackbrownie2

@mark-o said:

I'd trade most, if not all of our draft picks to have him play QB for the Browns. I'd love to have a guy who "isn't that good" as our QB.

No thanks. He barely completes 50% of his passes. We already have QBs that can do that..

Mark O

@bringbackbrownie2 said:
No thanks. He barely completes 50% of his passes. We already have QBs that can do that..

He wins games... we don't have QB's who do that. Also..looking at it closely...you could make a strong case that our WR's are better than what he has to work with. Carolinas TE is legit but the receivers are nobodies.

miktoxic

cam is a big diva 'kid' qb. his quirky attitude will settle down after he gets snipped.

dude has more talent in his pinky paw (as a qb) than our 3 put together in a time warp and mind-meld.

tiamat63

@mark-o said:

He wins games... we don't have QB's who do that. Also..looking at it closely...you could make a strong case that our WR's are better than what he has to work with. Carolinas TE is legit but the receivers are nobodies.

Teams win games. I can assure you that Carolina isn't winning exclusively because of Cam at QB. Renewed Oline play and turnover margin have been the big differences in the previous season and this season for them.

Mark O

@tiamat63 said:

Teams win games. I can assure you that Carolina isn't winning exclusively because of Cam at QB. Renewed Oline play and turnover margin have been the big differences in the previous season and this season for them.

That's not what everyone here has been saying when they say that McCown is a loser because the team isn't winning.

jiggins7919

Brady's Ball Sack (did I just type that?) is absolutely right. Changing coaches, regimes, and structure every year or two has worked out very poorly for us. The problem is, you can't just have continuity and think that's going to solve all of the problems. What if keeping Pettine and Farmer for another couple of years actually damages the Browns MORE than cutting them loose? Obviously nobody has a crystal ball, but if you're Haslam, you're trying to decide what's best for the team. You know that the organization desperately needs continuity, but you also know that keeping the wrong people in place could do a lot of long term damage.

I think what bothers me the most is our entire team strategy hasn't worked. Drafting back to acquire more picks? Fail. Pettine's defensive philosophy? Fail. These aren't just small things here. Can Pettine really learn how to evolve his defense? Can Farmer start to figure out how to identify playmakers? Basically, can our most important personnel figure it all out in another year or maybe two? I dunno...but I would lean towards "No."

Many people believed the Browns were a QB away from being relevant. Not contending, but just being relevant. McCown hasn't set the world on fire, but I would say he's played well enough to win a few more games. What we all started realizing is that we aren't a QB away, and we have a serious lack of studs on this team. On BOTH sides of the ball. So when you look at the Browns "needs" list...does it look any smaller than it did before Farmer took over? Is our coaching any better than it used to be? Do we all remember the numerous clock blunders from Pettine, the personnel screw ups, the insane amount of penalties....is that progress?

I'm just a fan, so I have no clue what to do. I'd LIKE to see some progress being made. I'd LIKE to see us close the season out well, bring Pettine and Farmer back, and have the continuity we desperately need...but if we're as bad as ever, what good does it do to keep them? Somebody smarter than me has the answer...I hope.

jrb12711

@bringbackbrownie2 said:
No thanks. He barely completes 50% of his passes. We already have QBs that can do that..

In every year he's started (2013 to current) he's completed 58% of his passes. I'm not sure what world of stats you live in where 58% is "barely 50%" but I hope that margin of error is really big.

Opal312

I don't know. There's always one guy out there that thinks he's the one who can turn things around. Football coaches have big egos, they have to in order to survive the NFL.

What say we were to get Nick Saban? Or Norv Turner or Greg Schiano or Gruden or Singletary. How about some ex Browns take over

Tim Couch Pulls Out

Brady's Ball Sack said:

My view of a winning franchise begins and ends with ownership, period.

First, you have to have an intelligent owner who covets the Lombardy trophy, but knows how to build a foundation to get it.

2nd.

You have to have an owner who IMHO is self made, and not a silver spooner. One who remembers what being hungry was, instead of having the world, and distorted views handed to you.

3rd,

You have to have an owner who hires high character people around him with one United goal.

4th,

You have to have a staff, and a GM who are on the same page, and who can openly evaluate talent with open minds for "their" picks sustainability and talents. How many coaches or GM's hold on to a player because of their own drafted busts because of a stubborn egotistical mindset.

5th.

You need to get lucky and beat the odds. You know, drafting Brady with a third instead of an EJ Manuel with a first.

Then, you need more luck, because this elusive chemistry is as hard to stumble on an a winning lottery ticket.

But Brady was a sixth.