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Connor Cook for QB and Adam Gase for head coach.

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  • marvin lewis has been with the bengals for more than a decade and he hasn't won a playoff game yet.........

    but i'll guarantee half these 'fire' pettine' fans would love to have their record.

    whoever is saying fire the coaching staff after 2 years is a Retard.

  • Brady's Ball Sack said:

    Ever think the problem is a lack of talent? Possibly because of a lack of contintinuity? Maybe you are three players away, ever think about that?

    1 - No. Not necessarily.

    2 - Yes, certainly.

    3 - Sure. Those three are probably QB, ILB, rush end.

    Brady's Ball Sack said:

    Let the man coach for 6 years, and by then, you will not only be competitive again, but in the playoffs.

    Fire him now, and you will be spinning your wheels the same way you have been doing since the Browns fired Sam R., and be stuck in the mud at the bottom.

    If we're not competitive by 3 and into the playoffs by 4, he won't make it to 6 - and he shouldn't.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @tiamat63 said:

    Also, there's a lot to like about Cook. What scares me though are his frequent bouts of great inaccuracy.

    Still? Haven't seen too much of him this year... but in 2014 when he went off the rails, he got his money's worth.

    @tour2ma said:

    Still? Haven't seen too much of him this year... but in 2014 when he went off the rails, he got his money's worth.

    Yes, still. Consistency is a top tier need for any NFL QB, ultimately I think it might doom Cook.

    @londonbrown said:

    Is Cam Newton still classed as inaccurate?

    Cam, much like Cook, has spurts of inaccurate and late passes. His redeeming grace is improved Oline play, coupled with being a tall fixture in the pocket that's hard to bring down ala Big Ben. He can hold onto the ball a little longer than he should do deliver downfield passes. Has Cam's decision making improved a bit? Yes.

    Enough that I'd still take him over Rodgers, Breesy, Brady, Ben etc etc? Nope.

  • Mark OM Mark O

    @londonbrown said:

    Is Cam Newton still classed as inaccurate?

    If you believe QBR, he's in the bottom third of NFL QB's this year. Which would lead me to think that QBR is a bullshit rating formula.

    @mark-o said:

    If you believe QBR, he's in the bottom third of NFL QB's this year. Which would lead me to think that QBR is a bullshit rating formula.

    It is a bullshit rating, but Cam also isn't that good.. I would love to have Carolina's defense though..

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    @mark-o said:

    If you believe QBR, he's in the bottom third of NFL QB's this year. Which would lead me to think that QBR is a bullshit rating formula.

    It is a bullshit rating, but Cam also isn't that good.. I would love to have Carolina's defense though..

    @bringbackbrownie2 said:

    It is a bullshit rating, but Cam also isn't that good.. I would love to have Carolina's defense though..

    I'd trade most, if not all of our draft picks to have him play QB for the Browns. I'd love to have a guy who "isn't that good" as our QB.

  • Mark OM Mark O

    @bringbackbrownie2 said:

    It is a bullshit rating, but Cam also isn't that good.. I would love to have Carolina's defense though..

    I'd trade most, if not all of our draft picks to have him play QB for the Browns. I'd love to have a guy who "isn't that good" as our QB.

    @mark-o said:

    I'd trade most, if not all of our draft picks to have him play QB for the Browns. I'd love to have a guy who "isn't that good" as our QB.

    No thanks. He barely completes 50% of his passes. We already have QBs that can do that..

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    @mark-o said:

    I'd trade most, if not all of our draft picks to have him play QB for the Browns. I'd love to have a guy who "isn't that good" as our QB.

    No thanks. He barely completes 50% of his passes. We already have QBs that can do that..

    @bringbackbrownie2 said:

    No thanks. He barely completes 50% of his passes. We already have QBs that can do that..

    He wins games... we don't have QB's who do that. Also..looking at it closely...you could make a strong case that our WR's are better than what he has to work with. Carolinas TE is legit but the receivers are nobodies.

    tiamat63T 1 Reply

  • cam is a big diva 'kid' qb. his quirky attitude will settle down after he gets snipped.

    dude has more talent in his pinky paw (as a qb) than our 3 put together in a time warp and mind-meld.

  • Mark OM Mark O

    @bringbackbrownie2 said:

    No thanks. He barely completes 50% of his passes. We already have QBs that can do that..

    He wins games... we don't have QB's who do that. Also..looking at it closely...you could make a strong case that our WR's are better than what he has to work with. Carolinas TE is legit but the receivers are nobodies.

    @mark-o said:

    He wins games... we don't have QB's who do that. Also..looking at it closely...you could make a strong case that our WR's are better than what he has to work with. Carolinas TE is legit but the receivers are nobodies.

    Teams win games. I can assure you that Carolina isn't winning exclusively because of Cam at QB. Renewed Oline play and turnover margin have been the big differences in the previous season and this season for them.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @mark-o said:

    He wins games... we don't have QB's who do that. Also..looking at it closely...you could make a strong case that our WR's are better than what he has to work with. Carolinas TE is legit but the receivers are nobodies.

    Teams win games. I can assure you that Carolina isn't winning exclusively because of Cam at QB. Renewed Oline play and turnover margin have been the big differences in the previous season and this season for them.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Teams win games. I can assure you that Carolina isn't winning exclusively because of Cam at QB. Renewed Oline play and turnover margin have been the big differences in the previous season and this season for them.

    That's not what everyone here has been saying when they say that McCown is a loser because the team isn't winning.

  • Brady's Ball Sack (did I just type that?) is absolutely right. Changing coaches, regimes, and structure every year or two has worked out very poorly for us. The problem is, you can't just have continuity and think that's going to solve all of the problems. What if keeping Pettine and Farmer for another couple of years actually damages the Browns MORE than cutting them loose? Obviously nobody has a crystal ball, but if you're Haslam, you're trying to decide what's best for the team. You know that the organization desperately needs continuity, but you also know that keeping the wrong people in place could do a lot of long term damage.

    I think what bothers me the most is our entire team strategy hasn't worked. Drafting back to acquire more picks? Fail. Pettine's defensive philosophy? Fail. These aren't just small things here. Can Pettine really learn how to evolve his defense? Can Farmer start to figure out how to identify playmakers? Basically, can our most important personnel figure it all out in another year or maybe two? I dunno...but I would lean towards "No."

    Many people believed the Browns were a QB away from being relevant. Not contending, but just being relevant. McCown hasn't set the world on fire, but I would say he's played well enough to win a few more games. What we all started realizing is that we aren't a QB away, and we have a serious lack of studs on this team. On BOTH sides of the ball. So when you look at the Browns "needs" list...does it look any smaller than it did before Farmer took over? Is our coaching any better than it used to be? Do we all remember the numerous clock blunders from Pettine, the personnel screw ups, the insane amount of penalties....is that progress?

    I'm just a fan, so I have no clue what to do. I'd LIKE to see some progress being made. I'd LIKE to see us close the season out well, bring Pettine and Farmer back, and have the continuity we desperately need...but if we're as bad as ever, what good does it do to keep them? Somebody smarter than me has the answer...I hope.

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    @mark-o said:

    I'd trade most, if not all of our draft picks to have him play QB for the Browns. I'd love to have a guy who "isn't that good" as our QB.

    No thanks. He barely completes 50% of his passes. We already have QBs that can do that..

    @bringbackbrownie2 said:

    No thanks. He barely completes 50% of his passes. We already have QBs that can do that..

    In every year he's started (2013 to current) he's completed 58% of his passes. I'm not sure what world of stats you live in where 58% is "barely 50%" but I hope that margin of error is really big.

  • I don't know. There's always one guy out there that thinks he's the one who can turn things around. Football coaches have big egos, they have to in order to survive the NFL.

    What say we were to get Nick Saban? Or Norv Turner or Greg Schiano or Gruden or Singletary. How about some ex Browns take over

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  • Brady's Ball Sack said:

    My view of a winning franchise begins and ends with ownership, period.

    First, you have to have an intelligent owner who covets the Lombardy trophy, but knows how to build a foundation to get it.

    2nd.

    You have to have an owner who IMHO is self made, and not a silver spooner. One who remembers what being hungry was, instead of having the world, and distorted views handed to you.

    3rd,

    You have to have an owner who hires high character people around him with one United goal.

    4th,

    You have to have a staff, and a GM who are on the same page, and who can openly evaluate talent with open minds for "their" picks sustainability and talents. How many coaches or GM's hold on to a player because of their own drafted busts because of a stubborn egotistical mindset.

    5th.

    You need to get lucky and beat the odds. You know, drafting Brady with a third instead of an EJ Manuel with a first.

    Then, you need more luck, because this elusive chemistry is as hard to stumble on an a winning lottery ticket.

    But Brady was a sixth.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
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