Anyone getting warmer on Bosa after last night?
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Screw it, go Bosa. Then go Nassib.
Screw it, go Bosa. Then go Nassib.
not a huge fan of Nassib. He's the prototype college player that does well because he's physically better than his talent, his rushing skills though look to be normal. He doesn't have the toolset that Bosa does, not even close. Nassib is a guy who will struggle initially in the NFL, he has more to develop. Bosa has NFL technique right now. You can make the argument he hasnt' faced top tier talent, that is true....but i'm judging him purely off his skillset/fundamentals. He's as pure a football player as I've ever seen. The way he holds guys off him to analyze the play and react to it, it's amazing. Forget whether he makes the play or not, it's the fact that he does it. None of the other guys on the Buckeyes line do it like him and there's some seriously talented players on that entire defensive front.
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Watching Joey force Illinois into double teaming him with a TE, the. Chopping him with a back and on two occasions a triple team.
For all you Retards that think box stats are everything, forcing an offenses hand like that in their blocking scheme means more than you know.
This was your quote in the JT Barrett got arrested thread about those stats: "I don't have to pretend, there are stats to quantify my argument about Joey." Then of course I brought you the bad news that his first 5 games shook out like this:
Va Tech (suspended) + Hawaii + Northern Illinois + Western Michigan + Indiana = a sum of a half a sack.
Before joining you in ordaining him as the next Reggie White - I felt there were red flags to discuss. Most adults in the first Bosa thread felt the same way with the biggest hurdle looking to be the inner chest. I've never questioned Joey's talent once I got my powerful first impression his Freshman year. I DO question how often he brings his A game - which comes from a fan that his witnessed first round draft picks here like Phil Taylor and Gerrard Warren. When he started the year suspended, it showed some people football wasn't prioritized enough to make the sacrifice.
The match-up today against the Sorority of the Big 10 doesn't surprise me they needed to chip with a TE and had a RB in to help out if needed. That's not only showing respect for Bosa but it's also a confession he's not facing an NFL caliber opponent. Reggie White got that all the time in the NFL and still tallied up tons of sacks so let's try not to confuse that with Illinois.
Joey Bosa definitely has the talent to be a top 5 pick. Does he have the inner chest to be a great one? We shall see.
This was your quote in the JT Barrett got arrested thread about those stats: "I don't have to pretend, there are stats to quantify my argument about Joey." Then of course I brought you the bad news that his first 5 games shook out like this:
Va Tech (suspended) + Hawaii + Northern Illinois + Western Michigan + Indiana = a sum of a half a sack.
Before joining you in ordaining him as the next Reggie White - I felt there were red flags to discuss. Most adults in the first Bosa thread felt the same way with the biggest hurdle looking to be the inner chest. I've never questioned Joey's talent once I got my powerful first impression his Freshman year. I DO question how often he brings his A game - which comes from a fan that his witnessed first round draft picks here like Phil Taylor and Gerrard Warren. When he started the year suspended, it showed some people football wasn't prioritized enough to make the sacrifice.
The match-up today against the Sorority of the Big 10 doesn't surprise me they needed to chip with a TE and had a RB in to help out if needed. That's not only showing respect for Bosa but it's also a confession he's not facing an NFL caliber opponent. Reggie White got that all the time in the NFL and still tallied up tons of sacks so let's try not to confuse that with Illinois.
Joey Bosa definitely has the talent to be a top 5 pick. Does he have the inner chest to be a great one? We shall see.
It's clear this season he's peddling '"somewhat"...and you would too if you had a life changing rookie contract staring you in the face. He gets hurt he's potentially out of the 1st round. But can you say he hasn't played hard in prior years? Doesn't he have the most sacks of any Buckeye ever? or close to it now?
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Posted Today, 12:20 AM
Too long, not reading. DON'TCONFUSEMEWITHTHEFACTSILIKESIESMYSTATSTIAM***************************************Too long? Tiam - that was a pitiful, feeble excuse for ignoring the fact thatthere are red flags. Doesn't mean he won't be the next star in the NFL... butmore and more - we need to start looking at the HEART of the player.Enough with all the "Wow, he's a MAN, look how good he does vs inferior competition !!!"Bosa may end up being all that.. or not.The love for the game is the main key. If player loves the game, he always brings his "A" game.Or, he can be just another guy who coulda been, regardless of the excellent talent, physical abilities and stats.If I were drafting, and I had doubts about Bosa loving the game, I'd look at a few other players in a NY second. -
Ya know what Im sick of? Drafting all these guys from crap colleges. Lets follow the Bungles recipe and draft primarily from the SEC and Big 10. I saw a stat line from their roster that said like 51 of their 53 is from the Big 10 and SEC. Lets stop thinking were smarter than everyone else and drafting RBs from Towson in the 3rd round....
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if we have 2 picks they'd be bosa and elliot.
enough said.
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Ya know what Im sick of? Drafting all these guys from crap colleges. Lets follow the Bungles recipe and draft primarily from the SEC and Big 10. I saw a stat line from their roster that said like 51 of their 53 is from the Big 10 and SEC. Lets stop thinking were smarter than everyone else and drafting RBs from Towson in the 3rd round....
Ya know what Im sick of? Drafting all these guys from crap colleges. Lets follow the Bungles recipe and draft primarily from the SEC and Big 10. I saw a stat line from their roster that said like 51 of their 53 is from the Big 10 and SEC. Lets stop thinking were smarter than everyone else and drafting RBs from Towson in the 3rd round....
Agree totally.
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Ya know what Im sick of? Drafting all these guys from crap colleges. Lets follow the Bungles recipe and draft primarily from the SEC and Big 10. I saw a stat line from their roster that said like 51 of their 53 is from the Big 10 and SEC. Lets stop thinking were smarter than everyone else and drafting RBs from Towson in the 3rd round....
Ya know what Im sick of? Drafting all these guys from crap colleges. Lets follow the Bungles recipe and draft primarily from the SEC and Big 10
Hahaha....you obviously haven't looked up our most recent picks from the SEC, eh?......
West was a 3rd.....Richardson was THE third....Mingo ....Manziel.....
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no bama rbs ever again pleez. no big 12 qbs ever again pleez. obviously never a kicker from the south cuz......
SEC linemen, sure. big 10 cbs and Ss pleez.
the franchise picks are the ones you gamble on and they can come from anywhere BUT when you whiff on them THAT costs you your job.
good luck next year mr. farmer.
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Too long, not reading.
So you asked for a fight and let 3 paragraphs and 1 line be the reason you chickened out. You never let my expectations of you down. Most of my replies to your ignorant statements are meant more for adults I know can't pull any muscles reading about 3 paragraphs.
Someone tried to tell me I was wrong about you another time you didn't read anything you overreacted to. The last 2 times we've crossed paths in debate you were defending under-aged drinking and driving with a tirade of F-bombs because it was an Ohio State QB. I made sure I used cut and paste from your double-standards JT Barrett Got Arrested thread so when you sobered up - you could see what it's like to be trying to extract an ounce of adult conversation out of you. That was the same thread you wanted to see stats of the first 5 games all the way up until you got to see them. And now you're not only confusing talent with inner chest but you're insulting a group of people that weren't confused about it during the first 5 weeks of the OSU football schedule.
The problem with you is you chest pound "I'll watch film with anybody here" and in the next breath you tell us how much you need PFF as your eyeballs. In 1 breath, the inventory of sacks for Nate Orchard ignited a further curiosity of Nate Orchard (like some of us) - in the next, you're full go on stats are for Retards. Most Browns fans already saw guys like Phil Taylor and Gerrard Warren brought to us by our Rent-A-Wrecks in the Front Office here endorsing the football investment equivalent of a Porsche. Unfortunately, OUR fans got to see both guys only had the engines of a Dodge Dart (except for 1 or 2 plays vrs Cincy). Josh Gordon is talented; but what does not caring enough to know the playbook, taking plays off and being suspended for missing meetings forecast for his success on the field? Ohio State has had a few defensive linemen that dominated the Big 10 competition like Big Daddy Wilkinson, Gholston and Alonzo Spellman but never come close to that level of play at the next level. Hopefully the first 5 games of 2015 don't mean as much as Bosa making himself #1 at Ohio State in sacks. Ooops, those are stats and we've already been told how little those mean.
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This was your quote in the JT Barrett got arrested thread about those stats: "I don't have to pretend, there are stats to quantify my argument about Joey." Then of course I brought you the bad news that his first 5 games shook out like this:
Va Tech (suspended) + Hawaii + Northern Illinois + Western Michigan + Indiana = a sum of a half a sack.
Before joining you in ordaining him as the next Reggie White - I felt there were red flags to discuss. Most adults in the first Bosa thread felt the same way with the biggest hurdle looking to be the inner chest. I've never questioned Joey's talent once I got my powerful first impression his Freshman year. I DO question how often he brings his A game - which comes from a fan that his witnessed first round draft picks here like Phil Taylor and Gerrard Warren. When he started the year suspended, it showed some people football wasn't prioritized enough to make the sacrifice.
The match-up today against the Sorority of the Big 10 doesn't surprise me they needed to chip with a TE and had a RB in to help out if needed. That's not only showing respect for Bosa but it's also a confession he's not facing an NFL caliber opponent. Reggie White got that all the time in the NFL and still tallied up tons of sacks so let's try not to confuse that with Illinois.
Joey Bosa definitely has the talent to be a top 5 pick. Does he have the inner chest to be a great one? We shall see.
It's clear this season he's peddling '"somewhat"...and you would too if you had a life changing rookie contract staring you in the face. He gets hurt he's potentially out of the 1st round. But can you say he hasn't played hard in prior years? Doesn't he have the most sacks of any Buckeye ever? or close to it now?
It's clear this season he's peddling '"somewhat"...and you would too if you had a life changing rookie contract staring you in the face. He gets hurt he's potentially out of the 1st round. But can you say he hasn't played hard in prior years? Doesn't he have the most sacks of any Buckeye ever? or close to it now?
Good points as usual; but be careful there's a know-it-all in here that says stats are for people wearing Retard.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Ya know what Im sick of? Drafting all these guys from crap colleges. Lets follow the Bungles recipe and draft primarily from the SEC and Big 10. I saw a stat line from their roster that said like 51 of their 53 is from the Big 10 and SEC. Lets stop thinking were smarter than everyone else and drafting RBs from Towson in the 3rd round....
Ya know what Im sick of? Drafting all these guys from crap colleges. Lets follow the Bungles recipe and draft primarily from the SEC and Big 10. I saw a stat line from their roster that said like 51 of their 53 is from the Big 10 and SEC. Lets stop thinking were smarter than everyone else and drafting RBs from Towson in the 3rd round....
Very good point about the RBs thing when we found better in Crow without using a draft pick to do it. Sometimes it isn't just the conference or school size though as the Buffalo Bills once found a ton of key situational role players from small schools in their run of 4 Superbowls.
We didn't draft all these guys but they're on our roster or were temporarily:
Manziel came from the SEC but like our fan base (only part of our front office and coaching staff wanted him)
Mingo came from the SEC
Haden came from the SEC
Dansby came the SEC
Crowell has a great Freshman season in the SEC
Malcolm Johnson came from the SEC
Richardson came from the SEC
Weeden, Gilbert & Gordon (the only team he got on the field with) were in the Big 12 or whatever they call that conference without defense
Kirksey came from the Big 10
Whitner came from the Big 10
Campbell came from the Big 10
Thomas came from the Big 10
Hartline came from the Big 10
Mack and Schwartz came from the Pac 12 (zbs at Cal)
Shelton came from the Pac 12
Kruger came from the Pac 12
Orchard came the Pac 12
Mayle came from the Pac 12
Poyer & Bademosi came from the Pac 12
Telfer, Cooper and Pullard came from the Pac 12
Benjamin and Duke Johnson came from Miami
Erving came from Florida State
Des Bryant came from Harvard
Gipson came from Wyoming
Barnidge and Gaines came from Louisville
Greco is from Toledo
Meder is from Ashland
Tramon WIlliams came from LA Tech
Armonty Bryant came from East Central Oklahoma
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It's clear this season he's peddling '"somewhat"...and you would too if you had a life changing rookie contract staring you in the face. He gets hurt he's potentially out of the 1st round. But can you say he hasn't played hard in prior years? Doesn't he have the most sacks of any Buckeye ever? or close to it now?
Good points as usual; but be careful there's a know-it-all in here that says stats are for people wearing Retard.
Good points as usual; but be careful there's a know-it-all in here that says stats are for people wearing Retard.
See, this is a much more reasonable post length.
Also, I read the first line of your response previous to this. I wasn't looking for a fight, I highlighted something huge that ends the fight of basing defensive prospects on box stats alone.
But you keep on keeping' on, guy.
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Good points as usual; but be careful there's a know-it-all in here that says stats are for people wearing Retard.
See, this is a much more reasonable post length.
Also, I read the first line of your response previous to this. I wasn't looking for a fight, I highlighted something huge that ends the fight of basing defensive prospects on box stats alone.
But you keep on keeping' on, guy.
See, this is a much more reasonable post length.
Also, I read the first line of your response previous to this. I wasn't looking for a fight, I highlighted something huge that ends the fight of basing defensive prospects on box stats alone.
In doing so, you forgot you were the one in the Barrett got Arrested thread that brought up you had stats to back your argument about Bosa the first 5 weeks. When we failed to see you get those - I knew exactly how convenient they were. That was the irony I enjoyed laughing at when you were calling stat guys Retard. You brought up the stats and their pertinence to the debate until you actually read them. See what happens when you read? And how important it is to do that before reacting? You could have actually understood why a lot more than 1 guy was saying what's up with the Bosa we're seeing at the onset of 2015? Not all of the first 4 opponents after the suspension gave him the attention Illinois just did.
When I posted stats that didn't reflect extreme dominance vrs inferior competition - that's when you went all ping pong on what criteria was supposed to count most and you got all pissy like a little kid. When you show up any thread putting down a group of guys while trying to pretend you're the smartest one in the room - do you honestly think I'm the only guy that thinks you're a dick head?
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I think the small school thing is a big reason so many questioned Kmack.....whoops
Based upon Flugels list.....looks like BIG 10 and PAC 12 have served us best....
I think the small school thing is a big reason so many questioned Kmack.....whoops
Based upon Flugels list.....looks like BIG 10 and PAC 12 have served us best....
The 1 SEC guy pre-draft that changed my football wood factor from balsa to sequoia was Julio Jones. So what does a team that can't draft well in round 1 do with that in a passing era? They kicked him off their door step to draft 2 first round guys that aren't starting today (1 is out of the league). I can't remember who else we got from that exchange; but it isn't creating the impact for the zbs quite as well as concerns with matching up with Jones down field does.
Even if we drafted Derek Carr - does anyone think Farmer's disconnect with a passing era would have added help like Cooper and Crabtree for him? If we added Beckham in 2014 and Crabtree (instead of Bowe) to Benjamin plus Barnidge - how fun does playing QB here get in a hurry? How much easier does it get to run the ball here at Overthink Tech?
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I think the small school thing is a big reason so many questioned Kmack.....whoops
Based upon Flugels list.....looks like BIG 10 and PAC 12 have served us best....
The 1 SEC guy pre-draft that changed my football wood factor from balsa to sequoia was Julio Jones. So what does a team that can't draft well in round 1 do with that in a passing era? They kicked him off their door step to draft 2 first round guys that aren't starting today (1 is out of the league). I can't remember who else we got from that exchange; but it isn't creating the impact for the zbs quite as well as concerns with matching up with Jones down field does.
Even if we drafted Derek Carr - does anyone think Farmer's disconnect with a passing era would have added help like Cooper and Crabtree for him? If we added Beckham in 2014 and Crabtree (instead of Bowe) to Benjamin plus Barnidge - how fun does playing QB here get in a hurry? How much easier does it get to run the ball here at Overthink Tech?
The 1 SEC guy pre-draft that changed my football wood factor from balsa to sequoia was Julio Jones. So what does a team that can't draft well in round 1 do with that in a passing era? They kicked him off their door step to draft 2 first round guys that aren't starting today (1 is out of the league). I can't remember who else we got from that exchange;
Yep....that one definitely worked out better for Atlanta.....by a mile....
We got something like 5 picks from them, including 2 first and a second.....which became Phil Taylor, Greg Little and Weeden...
Dont remember who we got with the others....but might have used them in our trade up to get Richardson....
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This was your quote in the JT Barrett got arrested thread about those stats: "I don't have to pretend, there are stats to quantify my argument about Joey." Then of course I brought you the bad news that his first 5 games shook out like this:
Va Tech (suspended) + Hawaii + Northern Illinois + Western Michigan + Indiana = a sum of a half a sack.
Before joining you in ordaining him as the next Reggie White - I felt there were red flags to discuss. Most adults in the first Bosa thread felt the same way with the biggest hurdle looking to be the inner chest. I've never questioned Joey's talent once I got my powerful first impression his Freshman year. I DO question how often he brings his A game - which comes from a fan that his witnessed first round draft picks here like Phil Taylor and Gerrard Warren. When he started the year suspended, it showed some people football wasn't prioritized enough to make the sacrifice.
The match-up today against the Sorority of the Big 10 doesn't surprise me they needed to chip with a TE and had a RB in to help out if needed. That's not only showing respect for Bosa but it's also a confession he's not facing an NFL caliber opponent. Reggie White got that all the time in the NFL and still tallied up tons of sacks so let's try not to confuse that with Illinois.
Joey Bosa definitely has the talent to be a top 5 pick. Does he have the inner chest to be a great one? We shall see.
It's clear this season he's peddling '"somewhat"...and you would too if you had a life changing rookie contract staring you in the face. He gets hurt he's potentially out of the 1st round. But can you say he hasn't played hard in prior years? Doesn't he have the most sacks of any Buckeye ever? or close to it now?
It's clear this season he's peddling '"somewhat"...and you would too if you had a life changing rookie contract staring you in the face. He gets hurt he's potentially out of the 1st round. But can you say he hasn't played hard in prior years? Doesn't he have the most sacks of any Buckeye ever? or close to it now?
Ah the Clowney route...
Honestly I have not watched Bosa enough this year to evaluate his effort, but if, as you say, he has been coasting, then I pass on him.
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Bosa is great but dt does not change the game we should be getting gordon back but who knows there that said we need offence I really like Elliott from Osu due to his ability without the ball and if you could get him and cardell in the second that would be great I think. But one thing for sure Ray famer has to go
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