Anyone getting warmer on Bosa after last night?

Tour2ma

Spend a #1 on a back up?

@miktoxic said:
and the crowd who was cheering 'FAIL FOR CARDALE' has suddenly been quiet.

Don't have to Fail for him anymore... or any more...

@mudfly said:
Id say he surely isnt another Clowney....its pretty clear that he's a player who loves the game and has football in his blood.....

Also not another Watt... As discussed last year he does not have JJ's explosive burst. Even without that as a 4-3 DE... absolutely have to consider taking him.

jrb12711

@clevfan4life said:

I can't stand Cardale. He might be a nice kid i'm not saying anything personally about him, but i'm getting that Weedon like irritation watching him play. Yeah it's not Weedon bad, but i'm seeing so many plays left on the field. If we had to play in the playoffs next week I don't think we'd make it out of the 1st round with him as the QB. Defense' will do what Alabama did to LSU on Saturday, they absolutely sold out on stopping Fournette and dared LSU's QB to beat them. He could not. This is "exactly" what teams are going to do to us with Cardale as the QB, they will do everything they can to stop or contain Elliot. If we had to play, say Alabama next weekend....it would be a defensive struggle but in the end I see our D tiring out before their D cause we'll be on the field longer.

To me it's simply that the pressure got to him. I do honestly think he's a great football player, and he showed it last season. BUT you gotta sit there and realize he knew he was the man as the other two guys were hurt. If that was the case this year, I actually believe he would be playing better. It wasn't though and it made him do things anxious QB's do-throw high, behind etc. I'm glad he didn't but he should have left for the draft last year unfortunately. I do think he's a good teammate though which is refreshing.

As for Bosa, can't say I'd be unhappy with that pick. He's got everything you look for in a DE and his upside is huge in the NFL.

Tour2ma

Agree on the Cardale psyche... when he was the only option he flourished. This year as one of at least two options... not so much. Very Hoyer-esque... and that is not a good thing.

Could he grow out of it? Could he gain unshakable confidence? Maybe... but at a minimum it sure sounds suited to be a backup...

jrb12711

@tour2ma said:

Agree on the Cardale psyche... when he was the only option he flourished. This year as one of at least two options... not so much. Very Hoyer-esque... and that is not a good thing.

Could he grow out of it? Could he gain unshakable confidence? Maybe... but at a minimum it sure sounds suited to be a backup...

I also think you can't underestimate how good Tom Herman was as an OC last year. He really played to the strengths of Cardale while it doesn't seem that way this year. Barrett is just days better at running the offense the way it's intended, whereas it was catered to Cardale last year.

Clevfan4life

@tour2ma said:

Spend a #1 on a back up?

Don't have to Fail for him anymore... or any more...

Also not another Watt... As discussed last year he does not have JJ's explosive burst. Even without that as a 4-3 DE... absolutely have to consider taking him.

i'm not so sure. I think his technique is usually to come off the line slow, read the play...than explode. But there have been situations where he had it in his mind to get around the corner from the get go. And the tackles are diving out to the edge for their lives. I think he's deceptively fast because of how smooth he is.

tiamat63

Watching Joey force Illinois into double teaming him with a TE, the. Chopping him with a back and on two occasions a triple team.

For all you Retards that think box stats are everything, forcing an offenses hand like that in their blocking scheme means more than you know.

TexasAg1969

@tiamat63 said:

Watching Joey force Illinois into double teaming him with a TE, the. Chopping him with a back and on two occasions a triple team.

For all you Retards that think box stats are everything, forcing an offenses hand like that in their blocking scheme means more than you know.

Teams do exactly the same thing against A&M's Miles Garrett. Both will be top 3 draft choices, Bosa 2016 and Garrett 2017.

jrb12711

Joey was literally schemed to be triple teamed today, that's dominance on the field.

Flugel

@tiamat63 said:

Watching Joey force Illinois into double teaming him with a TE, the. Chopping him with a back and on two occasions a triple team.

For all you Retards that think box stats are everything, forcing an offenses hand like that in their blocking scheme means more than you know.

This was your quote in the JT Barrett got arrested thread about those stats: "I don't have to pretend, there are stats to quantify my argument about Joey." Then of course I brought you the bad news that his first 5 games shook out like this:

Va Tech (suspended) + Hawaii + Northern Illinois + Western Michigan + Indiana = a sum of a half a sack.

Before joining you in ordaining him as the next Reggie White - I felt there were red flags to discuss. Most adults in the first Bosa thread felt the same way with the biggest hurdle looking to be the inner chest. I've never questioned Joey's talent once I got my powerful first impression his Freshman year. I DO question how often he brings his A game - which comes from a fan that his witnessed first round draft picks here like Phil Taylor and Gerrard Warren. When he started the year suspended, it showed some people football wasn't prioritized enough to make the sacrifice.

The match-up today against the Sorority of the Big 10 doesn't surprise me they needed to chip with a TE and had a RB in to help out if needed. That's not only showing respect for Bosa but it's also a confession he's not facing an NFL caliber opponent. Reggie White got that all the time in the NFL and still tallied up tons of sacks so let's try not to confuse that with Illinois.

Joey Bosa definitely has the talent to be a top 5 pick. Does he have the inner chest to be a great one? We shall see.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

Screw it, go Bosa. Then go Nassib.

tiamat63

Too long, not reading.

Clevfan4life

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
Screw it, go Bosa. Then go Nassib.

not a huge fan of Nassib. He's the prototype college player that does well because he's physically better than his talent, his rushing skills though look to be normal. He doesn't have the toolset that Bosa does, not even close. Nassib is a guy who will struggle initially in the NFL, he has more to develop. Bosa has NFL technique right now. You can make the argument he hasnt' faced top tier talent, that is true....but i'm judging him purely off his skillset/fundamentals. He's as pure a football player as I've ever seen. The way he holds guys off him to analyze the play and react to it, it's amazing. Forget whether he makes the play or not, it's the fact that he does it. None of the other guys on the Buckeyes line do it like him and there's some seriously talented players on that entire defensive front.

Clevfan4life

@flugel said:

This was your quote in the JT Barrett got arrested thread about those stats: "I don't have to pretend, there are stats to quantify my argument about Joey." Then of course I brought you the bad news that his first 5 games shook out like this:

Va Tech (suspended) + Hawaii + Northern Illinois + Western Michigan + Indiana = a sum of a half a sack.

Before joining you in ordaining him as the next Reggie White - I felt there were red flags to discuss. Most adults in the first Bosa thread felt the same way with the biggest hurdle looking to be the inner chest. I've never questioned Joey's talent once I got my powerful first impression his Freshman year. I DO question how often he brings his A game - which comes from a fan that his witnessed first round draft picks here like Phil Taylor and Gerrard Warren. When he started the year suspended, it showed some people football wasn't prioritized enough to make the sacrifice.

The match-up today against the Sorority of the Big 10 doesn't surprise me they needed to chip with a TE and had a RB in to help out if needed. That's not only showing respect for Bosa but it's also a confession he's not facing an NFL caliber opponent. Reggie White got that all the time in the NFL and still tallied up tons of sacks so let's try not to confuse that with Illinois.

Joey Bosa definitely has the talent to be a top 5 pick. Does he have the inner chest to be a great one? We shall see.

It's clear this season he's peddling '"somewhat"...and you would too if you had a life changing rookie contract staring you in the face. He gets hurt he's potentially out of the 1st round. But can you say he hasn't played hard in prior years? Doesn't he have the most sacks of any Buckeye ever? or close to it now?

calfoxwc

Posted Today, 12:20 AM

Too long, not reading. DON'TCONFUSEMEWITHTHEFACTSILIKESIESMYSTATSTIAM

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Too long? Tiam - that was a pitiful, feeble excuse for ignoring the fact that

there are red flags. Doesn't mean he won't be the next star in the NFL... but

more and more - we need to start looking at the HEART of the player.

Enough with all the "Wow, he's a MAN, look how good he does vs inferior competition !!!"

Bosa may end up being all that.. or not.

The love for the game is the main key. If player loves the game, he always brings his "A" game.

Or, he can be just another guy who coulda been, regardless of the excellent talent, physical abilities and stats.

If I were drafting, and I had doubts about Bosa loving the game, I'd look at a few other players in a NY second.

Flyin J

Ya know what Im sick of? Drafting all these guys from crap colleges. Lets follow the Bungles recipe and draft primarily from the SEC and Big 10. I saw a stat line from their roster that said like 51 of their 53 is from the Big 10 and SEC. Lets stop thinking were smarter than everyone else and drafting RBs from Towson in the 3rd round....

miktoxic

if we have 2 picks they'd be bosa and elliot.

enough said.

TexasAg1969

@flyin-j said:
Ya know what Im sick of? Drafting all these guys from crap colleges. Lets follow the Bungles recipe and draft primarily from the SEC and Big 10. I saw a stat line from their roster that said like 51 of their 53 is from the Big 10 and SEC. Lets stop thinking were smarter than everyone else and drafting RBs from Towson in the 3rd round....

Agree totally.

TexasAg1969

@miktoxic said:

if we have 2 picks they'd be bosa and elliot.

enough said.

And if Elliot is gone, grab Henry. Oh, and just pray that our premier WR is back on track (and stays there) when he returns in 2016.

Mudfly

@flyin-j said:
Ya know what Im sick of? Drafting all these guys from crap colleges. Lets follow the Bungles recipe and draft primarily from the SEC and Big 10

Hahaha....you obviously haven't looked up our most recent picks from the SEC, eh?......

West was a 3rd.....Richardson was THE third....Mingo ....Manziel.....

miktoxic

no bama rbs ever again pleez. no big 12 qbs ever again pleez. obviously never a kicker from the south cuz......

SEC linemen, sure. big 10 cbs and Ss pleez.

the franchise picks are the ones you gamble on and they can come from anywhere BUT when you whiff on them THAT costs you your job.

good luck next year mr. farmer.