Jonathan Paul Manziel
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mccown is a gamer. looks like manziel might be too.
start manziel the rest of the year so a decision can finally be made and the nonsense in-fighting between fans/friends will stop.
And because we clearly have so many holes to fill, it would be best for the team if Johnny can be the starter long term. I'm not sure if he can or not but it certainly would be better to not have to draft a QB next year and we can fill some of the damn holes on defense.
And because we clearly have so many holes to fill, it would be best for the team if Johnny can be the starter long term. I'm not sure if he can or not but it certainly would be better to not have to draft a QB next year and we can fill some of the damn holes on defense.
Don't forget all your takes about Haloti Ngata when you were certain he was way too overrated for us coming out of college Mark. You were just as outspoken and how did that work out for you? We get it - you think getting rid of Johnny makes us an undefeated team. You're wrong. If Josh was the answer - he wouldn't be too beat up to answer the bell. He'd answer the bell and be something better than a very pretty 1-6 with him starting. Good Lord, look what you're rooting for here.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
well tom i think there might be only 2-3 teddy crossdresser fans still bitching about not picking him, they're also the ones complaining about watkins.
and one of them is your new fave friend.....mr. walter white.
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And because we clearly have so many holes to fill, it would be best for the team if Johnny can be the starter long term. I'm not sure if he can or not but it certainly would be better to not have to draft a QB next year and we can fill some of the damn holes on defense.
Don't forget all your takes about Haloti Ngata when you were certain he was way too overrated for us coming out of college Mark. You were just as outspoken and how did that work out for you? We get it - you think getting rid of Johnny makes us an undefeated team. You're wrong. If Josh was the answer - he wouldn't be too beat up to answer the bell. He'd answer the bell and be something better than a very pretty 1-6 with him starting. Good Lord, look what you're rooting for here.
Don't forget all your takes about Haloti Ngata when you were certain he was way too overrated for us coming out of college Mark. You were just as outspoken and how did that work out for you? We get it - you think getting rid of Johnny makes us an undefeated team. You're wrong. If Josh was the answer - he wouldn't be too beat up to answer the bell. He'd answer the bell and be something better than a very pretty 1-6 with him starting. Good Lord, look what you're rooting for here.
First....I never said anything about Ngata and certainly didn't have a lot of takes on the subject....I don't watch enough college football to have any opinion so you're confusing me with someone else. I never said get rid of Johnny.. Jesus Christ...read what I posted. I never once said get rid of him or that we would be undefeated if he wasn't on the team. I've said that it doesn't matter who plays QB and what we saw today proves that point completely. So every Johnny fag who was telling us that we would have won games earlier in the season if Johnny had played were completely wrong. ITS NOT THE QB!!! I said it would be better for the team for Johnny to be the answer. I don't know if he is or isn't, i've seen 5 games and while today was pretty good...he's had some shitty starts as well. He should play so we can see if we need a QB or not. I'd rather not need a QB so we can fill the holes on this piss poor defense that gives up 30 every single game.
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Don't forget all your takes about Haloti Ngata when you were certain he was way too overrated for us coming out of college Mark. You were just as outspoken and how did that work out for you? We get it - you think getting rid of Johnny makes us an undefeated team. You're wrong. If Josh was the answer - he wouldn't be too beat up to answer the bell. He'd answer the bell and be something better than a very pretty 1-6 with him starting. Good Lord, look what you're rooting for here.
First....I never said anything about Ngata and certainly didn't have a lot of takes on the subject....I don't watch enough college football to have any opinion so you're confusing me with someone else. I never said get rid of Johnny.. Jesus Christ...read what I posted. I never once said get rid of him or that we would be undefeated if he wasn't on the team. I've said that it doesn't matter who plays QB and what we saw today proves that point completely. So every Johnny fag who was telling us that we would have won games earlier in the season if Johnny had played were completely wrong. ITS NOT THE QB!!! I said it would be better for the team for Johnny to be the answer. I don't know if he is or isn't, i've seen 5 games and while today was pretty good...he's had some shitty starts as well. He should play so we can see if we need a QB or not. I'd rather not need a QB so we can fill the holes on this piss poor defense that gives up 30 every single game.
First....I never said anything about Ngata and certainly didn't have a lot of takes on the subject....I don't watch enough college football to have any opinion so you're confusing me with someone else. I never said get rid of Johnny.. Jesus Christ...read what I posted. I never once said get rid of him or that we would be undefeated if he wasn't on the team. I've said that it doesn't matter who plays QB and what we saw today proves that point completely. So every Johnny fag who was telling us that we would have won games earlier in the season if Johnny had played were completely wrong. ITS NOT THE QB!!! I said it would be better for the team for Johnny to be the answer. I don't know if he is or isn't, i've seen 5 games and while today was pretty good...he's had some shitty starts as well. He should play so we can see if we need a QB or not. I'd rather not need a QB so we can fill the holes on this piss poor defense that gives up 30 every single game.
You were very outspoken about how overrated you felt Ngata was and you've been just as outspoken about Manziel Mark. Now you're going to pretend you haven't been about either? You said you lived out in San Diego so you saw a ton of Pac 12 Football and to trust you that Ngata was overrated from all that you had seen pre-draft. I remember because when you feel strongly about something - you don't just post it once - for example your certainty about Johnny before starts #4 and 5..
You'd rather NEED a QB so we're going to lose out and here's your dream come true with the margin of error of the worst defense of your lifetime. Enjoy because you're getting exactly what you're wishing for.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Johnny played very good today.The kid does play with heart,he wants to win. Unfortunately his recievers,other than Barnedge,are barely nfl worthy.Pettine,and Farmer need to go.The penelties tell the tale....no discipline!!! I think that BK should be our GM,and i dont know who should coach.And for you dicks that are always putting Bernie down,acting like he is a drunk,i dont believe that.I talked with him briefly Sat morning,and that is how he talks.He talks that way because he got his ass kicked laying it all out for his home town.Listen to what he says,he is very intelligent. I want him involved!!!
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love bernie. don't know if he's GM material like an ozzie newsome.
but bernie talks. just. like you. like to. type.
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Agree about Teddy, he isn't very good
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mccown is a gamer. looks like manziel might be too.
start manziel the rest of the year so a decision can finally be made and the nonsense in-fighting between fans/friends will stop.
And because we clearly have so many holes to fill, it would be best for the team if Johnny can be the starter long term. I'm not sure if he can or not but it certainly would be better to not have to draft a QB next year and we can fill some of the damn holes on defense.
And because we clearly have so many holes to fill, it would be best for the team if Johnny can be the starter long term. I'm not sure if he can or not but it certainly would be better to not have to draft a QB next year and we can fill some of the damn holes on defense.
I want to see Johnny play out the season. I do feel he can be our long term starter & we certainly would be far better off NOT having to draft a QB next year. As far as defense goes, we need to fill some holes, but I am not sure whether or not the biggest problem with our D is scheme.
Mike
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First....I never said anything about Ngata and certainly didn't have a lot of takes on the subject....I don't watch enough college football to have any opinion so you're confusing me with someone else. I never said get rid of Johnny.. Jesus Christ...read what I posted. I never once said get rid of him or that we would be undefeated if he wasn't on the team. I've said that it doesn't matter who plays QB and what we saw today proves that point completely. So every Johnny fag who was telling us that we would have won games earlier in the season if Johnny had played were completely wrong. ITS NOT THE QB!!! I said it would be better for the team for Johnny to be the answer. I don't know if he is or isn't, i've seen 5 games and while today was pretty good...he's had some shitty starts as well. He should play so we can see if we need a QB or not. I'd rather not need a QB so we can fill the holes on this piss poor defense that gives up 30 every single game.
You were very outspoken about how overrated you felt Ngata was and you've been just as outspoken about Manziel Mark. Now you're going to pretend you haven't been about either? You said you lived out in San Diego so you saw a ton of Pac 12 Football and to trust you that Ngata was overrated from all that you had seen pre-draft. I remember because when you feel strongly about something - you don't just post it once - for example your certainty about Johnny before starts #4 and 5..
You'd rather NEED a QB so we're going to lose out and here's your dream come true with the margin of error of the worst defense of your lifetime. Enjoy because you're getting exactly what you're wishing for.
You were very outspoken about how overrated you felt Ngata was and you've been just as outspoken about Manziel Mark. Now you're going to pretend you haven't been about either?
You'd rather NEED a QB so we're going to lose out and here's your dream come true with the margin of error of the worst defense of your lifetime. Enjoy because you're getting exactly what you're wishing for. Next year when you want to suddenly excuse a QB on a learning curve - you can save it.
Bullshit Tom....I never had any opinion on him. Not a single one. In fact in my history on this and all the other boards, I rarely have too strong of an opinion on any player because I don't watch enough college football.
Again....read what I fucking wrote...it would be better for the team if he is the answer. I'll say it again....IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE TEAM IF HE IS THE ANSWER!!! Do you get it now? Our defense sucks....it doesn't fucking matter who plays QB...THE DEFENSE SUCKS! Which is what a lot of us have been saying all season. McCown...Manziel...Davis...Spergeon Wynn....it doesn't fucking matter until the defense can maybe hold a team under 30 points. Id rather not need a QB. Id love for Johnny Manziel to turn into Tom Brady...or hell turn into looking like Carr and Bridgewater and the rest. Maybe he can....I hope he can. I hope I'm wrong about him. Personally, no i don't think he can be the answer because he's not big enough and his off field problems are going to keep him stepping on his dick just enough to cause problems. I don't have an agenda here other than wanting the Browns to win games. I think we should play him the rest of the way and hopefully he plays as well as he did today and continues to improve. We have 80000 holes on this team and being able to fill them rather than taking a QB would be a big help to the team.
You're competely and totally wrong about Ngata. I never had anything to say about him. Most likely, I had never even heard of him. I never watch Pac 12 football unless its a bowl game.
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You can also fuck off. It was a jab at Walter. FYI though Completion % and missed reads can be independent of each other. That 81% has resulted in 9 fucking points. I know though, it's everyone's fault but Johnnies. Overall he isn't looking so bad. I just like throwing up the softball for you fan boys.81%. Soooo many missed reads. Lol
You can also fuck off. It was a jab at Walter. FYI though Completion % and missed reads can be independent of each other. That 81% has resulted in 9 fucking points. I know though, it's everyone's fault but Johnnies. Overall he isn't looking so bad. I just like throwing up the softball for you fan boys.
OK, Hawkins coughs the ball up. Benjamin drops a TD that hit him in the hands.
Start Manziel for the rest of the season. Someone please tell me why not.
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Why is it every time Manziel hooks up with Benjamin - it's the longest reception of the season for Cleveland? Not bad for a weak arm but was it in the pocket or out of the pocket? Gotta debunk something right?
Come on Front Office - Don Strock is only in his 60s and you don't have him signed yet? Oh wait, we have the previously unemployed phenom Austin Davis that got a wonderful contract. Definitely worthy of tenure here in Cleveland. He's clearly the answer to all our problems.
We're back to preseason football with 6-7 games left on the schedule and people are convinced Manziel is the biggest evil here?
We're about 30 years away from winning a playoff game after punting away the entire career of Joe Thomas. Proud moments folks - proud moments. Just scapegoat another QB we drafted as 100% of all our problems and all your problems are solved. I've watched this sequel play out since the NFL buried our proud tradition.
Quote Paul Kruger after the game "we have to figure out what we do best". Should have figured it out 10 games ago. Really? Welcome to "Lost in Space.".
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You were very outspoken about how overrated you felt Ngata was and you've been just as outspoken about Manziel Mark. Now you're going to pretend you haven't been about either?
You'd rather NEED a QB so we're going to lose out and here's your dream come true with the margin of error of the worst defense of your lifetime. Enjoy because you're getting exactly what you're wishing for. Next year when you want to suddenly excuse a QB on a learning curve - you can save it.
Bullshit Tom....I never had any opinion on him. Not a single one. In fact in my history on this and all the other boards, I rarely have too strong of an opinion on any player because I don't watch enough college football.
Again....read what I fucking wrote...it would be better for the team if he is the answer. I'll say it again....IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE TEAM IF HE IS THE ANSWER!!! Do you get it now? Our defense sucks....it doesn't fucking matter who plays QB...THE DEFENSE SUCKS! Which is what a lot of us have been saying all season. McCown...Manziel...Davis...Spergeon Wynn....it doesn't fucking matter until the defense can maybe hold a team under 30 points. Id rather not need a QB. Id love for Johnny Manziel to turn into Tom Brady...or hell turn into looking like Carr and Bridgewater and the rest. Maybe he can....I hope he can. I hope I'm wrong about him. Personally, no i don't think he can be the answer because he's not big enough and his off field problems are going to keep him stepping on his dick just enough to cause problems. I don't have an agenda here other than wanting the Browns to win games. I think we should play him the rest of the way and hopefully he plays as well as he did today and continues to improve. We have 80000 holes on this team and being able to fill them rather than taking a QB would be a big help to the team.
You're competely and totally wrong about Ngata. I never had anything to say about him. Most likely, I had never even heard of him. I never watch Pac 12 football unless its a bowl game.
Bullshit Tom....I never had any opinion on him. Not a single one. In fact in my history on this and all the other boards, I rarely have too strong of an opinion on any player because I don't watch enough college football.
Again....read what I fucking wrote...it would be better for the team if he is the answer. I'll say it again....IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE TEAM IF HE IS THE ANSWER!!! Do you get it now? Our defense sucks....it doesn't fucking matter who plays QB...THE DEFENSE SUCKS! Which is what a lot of us have been saying all season. McCown...Manziel...Davis...Spergeon Wynn....it doesn't fucking matter until the defense can maybe hold a team under 30 points. Id rather not need a QB. Id love for Johnny Manziel to turn into Tom Brady...or hell turn into looking like Carr and Bridgewater and the rest. Maybe he can....I hope he can. I hope I'm wrong about him. Personally, no i don't think he can be the answer because he's not big enough and his off field problems are going to keep him stepping on his dick just enough to cause problems. I don't have an agenda here other than wanting the Browns to win games. I think we should play him the rest of the way and hopefully he plays as well as he did today and continues to improve. We have 80000 holes on this team and being able to fill them rather than taking a QB would be a big help to the team.
You're competely and totally wrong about Ngata. I never had anything to say about him. Most likely, I had never even heard of him. I never watch Pac 12 football unless its a bowl game.
I've read all your strong opinions about Manziel and Ngata. Hoorta tried to tell you our defense was so piss poor you were wasting all your time blaming Johnny for everything and you weren't having any of it. You're going to deny this now? If you weren't once MarkNErin, I will say I had the wrong mark that lived in California but if you were - what's up with not owning your baggage?
You don't have to keep typing you hope you're wrong about Manziel when your actions keep showing you hope you're right about him. We're gonna get bullied into drafting another QB in round one when all conclusions were made before this QB even got to start #4 so what do we all need to pretend on your behalf today Mark? You never cornered yourself into 1 very strong opinion supported by a sum of just 3-4 NFL starts? How convenient all of a sudden.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
QB has not been the problem this season. The upside is that if Manziel can continue to play well then the QB could be settled for a few years. Use the draft picks to get some talent at WR and defense.
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Bullshit Tom....I never had any opinion on him. Not a single one. In fact in my history on this and all the other boards, I rarely have too strong of an opinion on any player because I don't watch enough college football.
Again....read what I fucking wrote...it would be better for the team if he is the answer. I'll say it again....IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE TEAM IF HE IS THE ANSWER!!! Do you get it now? Our defense sucks....it doesn't fucking matter who plays QB...THE DEFENSE SUCKS! Which is what a lot of us have been saying all season. McCown...Manziel...Davis...Spergeon Wynn....it doesn't fucking matter until the defense can maybe hold a team under 30 points. Id rather not need a QB. Id love for Johnny Manziel to turn into Tom Brady...or hell turn into looking like Carr and Bridgewater and the rest. Maybe he can....I hope he can. I hope I'm wrong about him. Personally, no i don't think he can be the answer because he's not big enough and his off field problems are going to keep him stepping on his dick just enough to cause problems. I don't have an agenda here other than wanting the Browns to win games. I think we should play him the rest of the way and hopefully he plays as well as he did today and continues to improve. We have 80000 holes on this team and being able to fill them rather than taking a QB would be a big help to the team.
You're competely and totally wrong about Ngata. I never had anything to say about him. Most likely, I had never even heard of him. I never watch Pac 12 football unless its a bowl game.
I've read all your strong opinions about Manziel and Ngata. Hoorta tried to tell you our defense was so piss poor you were wasting all your time blaming Johnny for everything and you weren't having any of it. You're going to deny this now? If you weren't once MarkNErin, I will say I had the wrong mark that lived in California but if you were - what's up with not owning your baggage?
You don't have to keep typing you hope you're wrong about Manziel when your actions keep showing you hope you're right about him. We're gonna get bullied into drafting another QB in round one when all conclusions were made before this QB even got to start #4 so what do we all need to pretend on your behalf today Mark? You never cornered yourself into 1 very strong opinion supported by a sum of just 3-4 NFL starts? How convenient all of a sudden.
I've read all your strong opinions about Manziel and Ngata. Hoorta tried to tell you our defense was so piss poor you were wasting all your time blaming Johnny for everything and you weren't having any of it. You're going to deny this now? If you weren't once MarkNErin, I will say I had the wrong mark that lived in California but if you were - what's up with not owning your baggage?
You don't have to keep typing you hope you're wrong about Manziel when your actions keep showing you hope you're right about him. We're gonna get bullied into drafting another QB in round one when all conclusions were made before this QB even got to start #4 so what do we all need to pretend on your behalf today Mark? You never cornered yourself into 1 very strong opinion supported by a sum of just 3-4 NFL starts? How convenient all of a sudden.
You're full of shit. And seriously, you remember my opinions about a player that was drafted 9 fucking years ago? I think that's more than just a bit creepy but you're wrong. I had no opinion of him. Not one.
We all said the defense was horrible. My issue is with the Johnny fans who said we would be winning games if he was playing. How's that worked out the last 2 weeks. He looked shitty against Cincinatti and he while he played well today, we still got our asses kicked. So who fucking cares who plays QB. It doesn't fucking matter. Let him play...I hope he's a first fucking ballot Hall of Famer. I've said that from the very beginning.
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QB has not been the problem this season. The upside is that if Manziel can continue to play well then the QB could be settled for a few years. Use the draft picks to get some talent at WR and defense.
QB has not been the problem this season. The upside is that if Manziel can continue to play well then the QB could be settled for a few years. Use the draft picks to get some talent at WR and defense.
Pretty much what I've been saying all season.
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You can also fuck off. It was a jab at Walter. FYI though Completion % and missed reads can be independent of each other. That 81% has resulted in 9 fucking points. I know though, it's everyone's fault but Johnnies. Overall he isn't looking so bad. I just like throwing up the softball for you fan boys.
OK, Hawkins coughs the ball up. Benjamin drops a TD that hit him in the hands.
Start Manziel for the rest of the season. Someone please tell me why not.
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Why is it every time Manziel hooks up with Benjamin - it's the longest reception of the season for Cleveland? Not bad for a weak arm but was it in the pocket or out of the pocket? Gotta debunk something right?
Come on Front Office - Don Strock is only in his 60s and you don't have him signed yet? Oh wait, we have the previously unemployed phenom Austin Davis that got a wonderful contract. Definitely worthy of tenure here in Cleveland. He's clearly the answer to all our problems.
We're back to preseason football with 6-7 games left on the schedule and people are convinced Manziel is the biggest evil here?
We're about 30 years away from winning a playoff game after punting away the entire career of Joe Thomas. Proud moments folks - proud moments. Just scapegoat another QB we drafted as 100% of all our problems and all your problems are solved. I've watched this sequel play out since the NFL buried our proud tradition.
Quote Paul Kruger after the game "we have to figure out what we do best". Should have figured it out 10 games ago. Really? Welcome to "Lost in Space.".
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Let's remember too we played a bad d and what happens 6 yards rushing what's that tell us oh yeah they do not fear Manziel pack the box make him throw he bad should have never got him we could of had Watkins bad pick again but let's slow down killing the offence there operating without a wr that can take the top of a d or requires two defenders it hurts the whole operation
Let's remember too we played a bad d and what happens 6 yards rushing what's that tell us oh yeah they do not fear Manziel pack the box make him throw he bad should have never got him we could of had Watkins bad pick again but let's slow down killing the offence there operating without a wr that can take the top of a d or requires two defenders it hurts the whole operation
Two words for you, my friend.......punctuation and spell check.
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QB has not been the problem this season. The upside is that if Manziel can continue to play well then the QB could be settled for a few years. Use the draft picks to get some talent at WR and defense.
QB has not been the problem this season. The upside is that if Manziel can continue to play well then the QB could be settled for a few years. Use the draft picks to get some talent at WR and defen on board with this as well.
Agreed. I don't think ANY qb would make a difference given this D, WRs, & lack of running game.
I also believe playing Johnny is the only way he'll improve to the point that we may eliminate the need to spend our 1st round pick on yet another QB.Mike -
I think Manziel just might be our guy...
All the haters have obviously made their minds up already, but if you watch him play he is steadily getting better...
Id say we go with Manziel, McCown, Davis next year and use the offseason to add some offensive playmakers and more talent on D
If our coach doesn't like it... Bye bye
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I think Manziel just might be our guy...
All the haters have obviously made their minds up already, but if you watch him play he is steadily getting better...
Id say we go with Manziel, McCown, Davis next year and use the offseason to add some offensive playmakers and more talent on D
If our coach doesn't like it... Bye bye
I think Manziel just might be our guy...
All the haters have obviously made their minds up already, but if you watch him play he is steadily getting better...
Id say we go with Manziel, McCown, Davis next year and use the offseason to add some offensive playmakers and more talent on D
If our coach doesn't like it... Bye bye
I would like to see some consistency from him before I'm giving him the reigns all next season But other than that shitshow on the first play, he played well with only a few questionable throws. I didn't like the 4th down pass across his body back to the middle of the field...looked too much like what we saw last season. But what I would like to see our coach do is name him the starter for the Rats game and give him the next 2 weeks to prepare and hopefully he plays as well as we saw today.
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I think Manziel just might be our guy...
All the haters have obviously made their minds up already, but if you watch him play he is steadily getting better...
Id say we go with Manziel, McCown, Davis next year and use the offseason to add some offensive playmakers and more talent on D
If our coach doesn't like it... Bye bye
I would like to see some consistency from him before I'm giving him the reigns all next season But other than that shitshow on the first play, he played well with only a few questionable throws. I didn't like the 4th down pass across his body back to the middle of the field...looked too much like what we saw last season. But what I would like to see our coach do is name him the starter for the Rats game and give him the next 2 weeks to prepare and hopefully he plays as well as we saw today.
I would like to see some consistency from him before I'm giving him the reigns all next season But other than that shitshow on the first play, he played well with only a few questionable throws. I didn't like the 4th down pass across his body back to the middle of the field...looked too much like what we saw last season. But what I would like to see our coach do is name him the starter for the Rats game and give him the next 2 weeks to prepare and hopefully he plays as well as we saw today.
He did have a couple bad plays, but no QB is perfect. Im just trully impressed with what he can do right now and hes still developing. Seeing him start the next 6 games will be the only reason I watch the rest of the year. If Pettine goes back to McCown, I'm done with the Browns this year...
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