If Pettine is not around next year, is Chip Kelly a good option?
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Chip Kelly...hell no!
^+1. Anyone who watched the Lions plaster the Eagles today still want him? I agree with Vag- Kelly has been figured out. Too bad we don't play the Eagles this year.
The guy is a control freak that can't evaluate talent on the Pro level. Ran off some mighty good players I'd be happy to see on the Browns.
^+1. Anyone who watched the Lions plaster the Eagles today still want him? I agree with Vag- Kelly has been figured out. Too bad we don't play the Eagles this year.
The guy is a control freak that can't evaluate talent on the Pro level. Ran off some mighty good players I'd be happy to see on the Browns.
well that defense isn't his fault though is it?
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^+1. Anyone who watched the Lions plaster the Eagles today still want him? I agree with Vag- Kelly has been figured out. Too bad we don't play the Eagles this year.
The guy is a control freak that can't evaluate talent on the Pro level. Ran off some mighty good players I'd be happy to see on the Browns.
well that defense isn't his fault though is it?
well that defense isn't his fault though is it?
He's found out NFL offenses can't score 50 a game every week like he did at Oregon.
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His starting QB is out....
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Kelly cleaned,house by getting rid of all their star players, then got Deer caught in headlights, Bradford who's terrible! Demarco,Murray doesn't fit his system and they just lost to the Lions by 30 points, last week to Bucs by almost 30. A rookie QB TOSSED 5 touchdowns against this group.
Kelly is horrible. But he would clean house!
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Who?
Les Miles?
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Kelly inherited a decent team looking to go to the next level. He had some success with the players they had, including Shady, Foles, Jackson, & Maclin, then he wanted to run it all his own way, sung a browns-worthy trade for Sam Bradford, is surprised at his non-elitenes and injury proneness, and his team is now sitting at 4-7.
What about this exactly screams 'hire me just as soon as I'm fired from my current job'?
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Yeah... Uh... Jim isn't leaving any time soon lol.
He could have had half of the HC jobs in the NFL last year if he wanted them.
Yeah... Uh... Jim isn't leaving any time soon lol.
He could have had half of the HC jobs in the NFL last year if he wanted them.
Never said he was. That would be the only coach I'd want at this point in time other than Mike Pettine. Even if the hoodie wanted to be in Cleveland, no thanks unless it was a GM.
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Kelly inherited a decent team looking to go to the next level. He had some success with the players they had, including Shady, Foles, Jackson, & Maclin, then he wanted to run it all his own way, sung a browns-worthy trade for Sam Bradford, is surprised at his non-elitenes and injury proneness, and his team is now sitting at 4-7.
What about this exactly screams 'hire me just as soon as I'm fired from my current job'?
The Philly fan base and media have turned on Chip, so the writing is on the wall that he will be gone at season's end.Kelly inherited a decent team looking to go to the next level. He had some success with the players they had, including Shady, Foles, Jackson, & Maclin, then he wanted to run it all his own way, sung a browns-worthy trade for Sam Bradford, is surprised at his non-elitenes and injury proneness, and his team is now sitting at 4-7.
What about this exactly screams 'hire me just as soon as I'm fired from my current job'?
I would guess that his next HC gig will be in the college ranks.
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Yup, fully expect that. Or maybe Tennessee, back with Mariota.
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Unlikely, he seems arrogant. But he might also manage to persuade them to give him the HC job.
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Unlikely, he seems arrogant. But he might also manage to persuade them to give him the HC job.
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Another point worth mentioning is coaches not wanting to coach in Cleveland because they know if they have a rough start they may get tossed.
Another point worth mentioning is coaches not wanting to coach in Cleveland because they know if they have a rough start they may get tossed.
That can happen in every market. And you don't have to have a rough start. Kelly was 10-6 and 10-6 in his first year, and now after giving up 45 points in consecutive games, the entire city wants him gone.
How long did Whisenhunt last in Tenn. I think they hired him the same time the Browns hired Pettine.
And McCoy in SD.....again, I think hired same year as Pettine....and he may be gone.
And the only thing that reprieved Joe Philbin in Miami for a while was that he....or was it his wife....had cancer.
They basically fired John Fox in Denver after having gone to the playoffs like every year there. Who would want to possibly go to a situation like that?
So....it is stupid to conclude that no one would come here because they may get fired if they don't succeed.
Every single fucking coach in the NFL is susceptible of being fired if they do not succeed.
Two losing seasons in a row in Pittsburgh and they would probably start calling for Tomlin's head.
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For the love of Christ can we keep someone around for atleast three years, oh yeah I forgot Browns 101 keep changing so it never gets better.
For the love of Christ can we keep someone around for atleast three years, oh yeah I forgot Browns 101 keep changing so it never gets better.
For the love of Christ can we have someone start coaching to the point that the team is playing competitively and perhaps even winning?
Sorry....but as far as I am concerned.....the reason the Browns are having such a bad season is purely based on the terrible coaching they are receiving from this group. Period. They have as much or more talent than 2/3rds of the teams in the NFL.....but they have a losing culture.
And if a coach wants to stay.....come in and win. At least be competitive and approach a .500 record.
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Another point worth mentioning is coaches not wanting to coach in Cleveland because they know if they have a rough start they may get tossed.
That can happen in every market. And you don't have to have a rough start. Kelly was 10-6 and 10-6 in his first year, and now after giving up 45 points in consecutive games, the entire city wants him gone.
How long did Whisenhunt last in Tenn. I think they hired him the same time the Browns hired Pettine.
And McCoy in SD.....again, I think hired same year as Pettine....and he may be gone.
And the only thing that reprieved Joe Philbin in Miami for a while was that he....or was it his wife....had cancer.
They basically fired John Fox in Denver after having gone to the playoffs like every year there. Who would want to possibly go to a situation like that?
So....it is stupid to conclude that no one would come here because they may get fired if they don't succeed.
Every single fucking coach in the NFL is susceptible of being fired if they do not succeed.
Two losing seasons in a row in Pittsburgh and they would probably start calling for Tomlin's head.
That can happen in every market. And you don't have to have a rough start. Kelly was 10-6 and 10-6 in his first year, and now after giving up 45 points in consecutive games, the entire city wants him gone.
How long did Whisenhunt last in Tenn. I think they hired him the same time the Browns hired Pettine.
And McCoy in SD.....again, I think hired same year as Pettine....and he may be gone.
And the only thing that reprieved Joe Philbin in Miami for a while was that he....or was it his wife....had cancer.
They basically fired John Fox in Denver after having gone to the playoffs like every year there. Who would want to possibly go to a situation like that?
So....it is stupid to conclude that no one would come here because they may get fired if they don't succeed.
Every single fucking coach in the NFL is susceptible of being fired if they do not succeed.
Two losing seasons in a row in Pittsburgh and they would probably start calling for Tomlin's head.
Sure there are examples of other teams screwing up and pulling the trigger early, does not mean we need too. I think Pettine had issues, like sticking with his DC far too long, that unit should be way better than it is. But I am looking at the long game, if we use your criteria, then Ron Rivera and Marvin Lewis would not be around today. I can tell you for a fact people were calling for Rivera's head in his second season and now his team is now 11-0. So give Pettine and Farmer one more year, the offense and defense more time in the same season. I mean we have had 6 differenct OCs the last 6 yrs, very hard to win that way. Lets get some stability, show other we are willing to give things time. To me the examples you listed are things NOT to do. You think Kubiak is a better HC than John Fox? Look what Fox has done in Chicago already? Denver is in a slow burn to collapse. Titans still suck, they gave whisenthunt like 3 games with Marriotta at the helm? Dumb as hell. And SD has been decimated I mean decimated by injuries and still have remained competitive in many games. Pettine needs to stay and he needs to dump O'Neil. And Farmer need to let the HC be the HC. You keep the 1/2 yr churn going you will not get the top coaching candidates and the players once they lose a few will say here we go again. You have to change the culture, firing Petitine keeps the status quo the status quo.
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Still a better coach than Mike Pettine.
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That can happen in every market. And you don't have to have a rough start. Kelly was 10-6 and 10-6 in his first year, and now after giving up 45 points in consecutive games, the entire city wants him gone.
How long did Whisenhunt last in Tenn. I think they hired him the same time the Browns hired Pettine.
And McCoy in SD.....again, I think hired same year as Pettine....and he may be gone.
And the only thing that reprieved Joe Philbin in Miami for a while was that he....or was it his wife....had cancer.
They basically fired John Fox in Denver after having gone to the playoffs like every year there. Who would want to possibly go to a situation like that?
So....it is stupid to conclude that no one would come here because they may get fired if they don't succeed.
Every single fucking coach in the NFL is susceptible of being fired if they do not succeed.
Two losing seasons in a row in Pittsburgh and they would probably start calling for Tomlin's head.
Sure there are examples of other teams screwing up and pulling the trigger early, does not mean we need too. I think Pettine had issues, like sticking with his DC far too long, that unit should be way better than it is. But I am looking at the long game, if we use your criteria, then Ron Rivera and Marvin Lewis would not be around today. I can tell you for a fact people were calling for Rivera's head in his second season and now his team is now 11-0. So give Pettine and Farmer one more year, the offense and defense more time in the same season. I mean we have had 6 differenct OCs the last 6 yrs, very hard to win that way. Lets get some stability, show other we are willing to give things time. To me the examples you listed are things NOT to do. You think Kubiak is a better HC than John Fox? Look what Fox has done in Chicago already? Denver is in a slow burn to collapse. Titans still suck, they gave whisenthunt like 3 games with Marriotta at the helm? Dumb as hell. And SD has been decimated I mean decimated by injuries and still have remained competitive in many games. Pettine needs to stay and he needs to dump O'Neil. And Farmer need to let the HC be the HC. You keep the 1/2 yr churn going you will not get the top coaching candidates and the players once they lose a few will say here we go again. You have to change the culture, firing Petitine keeps the status quo the status quo.
Sure there are examples of other teams screwing up and pulling the trigger early, does not mean we need too. I think Pettine had issues, like sticking with his DC far too long, that unit should be way better than it is. But I am looking at the long game, if we use your criteria, then Ron Rivera and Marvin Lewis would not be around today. I can tell you for a fact people were calling for Rivera's head in his second season and now his team is now 11-0. So give Pettine and Farmer one more year, the offense and defense more time in the same season. I mean we have had 6 differenct OCs the last 6 yrs, very hard to win that way. Lets get some stability, show other we are willing to give things time. To me the examples you listed are things NOT to do. You think Kubiak is a better HC than John Fox? Look what Fox has done in Chicago already? Denver is in a slow burn to collapse. Titans still suck, they gave whisenthunt like 3 games with Marriotta at the helm? Dumb as hell. And SD has been decimated I mean decimated by injuries and still have remained competitive in many games. Pettine needs to stay and he needs to dump O'Neil. And Farmer need to let the HC be the HC. You keep the 1/2 yr churn going you will not get the top coaching candidates and the players once they lose a few will say here we go again. You have to change the culture, firing Petitine keeps the status quo the status quo.
My point simply was in response to Vag......I showed him where other teams besides the Browns had quick triggers on firing coaches.
I am not urging the firing of Pettine......his DC...yes.
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Wisenhunt should have been fired after last years lost to the Browns
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Another point worth mentioning is coaches not wanting to coach in Cleveland because they know if they have a rough start they may get tossed.
That can happen in every market. And you don't have to have a rough start. Kelly was 10-6 and 10-6 in his first year, and now after giving up 45 points in consecutive games, the entire city wants him gone.
How long did Whisenhunt last in Tenn. I think they hired him the same time the Browns hired Pettine.
And McCoy in SD.....again, I think hired same year as Pettine....and he may be gone.
And the only thing that reprieved Joe Philbin in Miami for a while was that he....or was it his wife....had cancer.
They basically fired John Fox in Denver after having gone to the playoffs like every year there. Who would want to possibly go to a situation like that?
So....it is stupid to conclude that no one would come here because they may get fired if they don't succeed.
Every single fucking coach in the NFL is susceptible of being fired if they do not succeed.
Two losing seasons in a row in Pittsburgh and they would probably start calling for Tomlin's head.
That can happen in every market. And you don't have to have a rough start. Kelly was 10-6 and 10-6 in his first year, and now after giving up 45 points in consecutive games, the entire city wants him gone.
How long did Whisenhunt last in Tenn. I think they hired him the same time the Browns hired Pettine.
And McCoy in SD.....again, I think hired same year as Pettine....and he may be gone.
And the only thing that reprieved Joe Philbin in Miami for a while was that he....or was it his wife....had cancer.
They basically fired John Fox in Denver after having gone to the playoffs like every year there. Who would want to possibly go to a situation like that?
So....it is stupid to conclude that no one would come here because they may get fired if they don't succeed.
Every single fucking coach in the NFL is susceptible of being fired if they do not succeed.
Two losing seasons in a row in Pittsburgh and they would probably start calling for Tomlin's head.
Does it matter what the fans want? The Rooney's certainly wouldn't be looking to fire him unless they were seeing a dramatic regression. Fans in certain circles have been calling for his firing for the team going 8-8 a couple seasons in a row and missing the playoffs. Fan opinion should count for zero when making personel decisions.
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lets be honest.....last season the team improved and we all loved Pettine and were on board for him to get more time than the previous regimes.....
Now......less than a year later, the team is doing worse......or has regressed.......and everyone wants him out....
So....the criteria has become that he should be fired BECAUSE the team has gotten worse?......
If thats the case....then more than 1/2 the coaches in the league should be fired immediately.....(17 teams currently have worse records than last season)......(I guess the ravens should fire Ozzie AND Harbaugh, considering they didnt get better and actually have destroyed a playoff team)
So far its been fire Pettine cause the team is regressing.....or fire Oneill because the D sucks.....or fire Farmer cause the talent sucks.....
How about actually figuring out the problem and making a move to correct it, rather than wiping the whole slate clean just to make sure we've eliminated the cause?.......
Knee jerk decisions have killed this team....and if we go and fire em all again?.....then it shall continue.....
what do they say about History repeating itself???
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