If Pettine is not around next year, is Chip Kelly a good option?
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Yup, fully expect that. Or maybe Tennessee, back with Mariota.
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Unlikely, he seems arrogant. But he might also manage to persuade them to give him the HC job.
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Unlikely, he seems arrogant. But he might also manage to persuade them to give him the HC job.
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Another point worth mentioning is coaches not wanting to coach in Cleveland because they know if they have a rough start they may get tossed.
Another point worth mentioning is coaches not wanting to coach in Cleveland because they know if they have a rough start they may get tossed.
That can happen in every market. And you don't have to have a rough start. Kelly was 10-6 and 10-6 in his first year, and now after giving up 45 points in consecutive games, the entire city wants him gone.
How long did Whisenhunt last in Tenn. I think they hired him the same time the Browns hired Pettine.
And McCoy in SD.....again, I think hired same year as Pettine....and he may be gone.
And the only thing that reprieved Joe Philbin in Miami for a while was that he....or was it his wife....had cancer.
They basically fired John Fox in Denver after having gone to the playoffs like every year there. Who would want to possibly go to a situation like that?
So....it is stupid to conclude that no one would come here because they may get fired if they don't succeed.
Every single fucking coach in the NFL is susceptible of being fired if they do not succeed.
Two losing seasons in a row in Pittsburgh and they would probably start calling for Tomlin's head.
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For the love of Christ can we keep someone around for atleast three years, oh yeah I forgot Browns 101 keep changing so it never gets better.
For the love of Christ can we keep someone around for atleast three years, oh yeah I forgot Browns 101 keep changing so it never gets better.
For the love of Christ can we have someone start coaching to the point that the team is playing competitively and perhaps even winning?
Sorry....but as far as I am concerned.....the reason the Browns are having such a bad season is purely based on the terrible coaching they are receiving from this group. Period. They have as much or more talent than 2/3rds of the teams in the NFL.....but they have a losing culture.
And if a coach wants to stay.....come in and win. At least be competitive and approach a .500 record.
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Another point worth mentioning is coaches not wanting to coach in Cleveland because they know if they have a rough start they may get tossed.
That can happen in every market. And you don't have to have a rough start. Kelly was 10-6 and 10-6 in his first year, and now after giving up 45 points in consecutive games, the entire city wants him gone.
How long did Whisenhunt last in Tenn. I think they hired him the same time the Browns hired Pettine.
And McCoy in SD.....again, I think hired same year as Pettine....and he may be gone.
And the only thing that reprieved Joe Philbin in Miami for a while was that he....or was it his wife....had cancer.
They basically fired John Fox in Denver after having gone to the playoffs like every year there. Who would want to possibly go to a situation like that?
So....it is stupid to conclude that no one would come here because they may get fired if they don't succeed.
Every single fucking coach in the NFL is susceptible of being fired if they do not succeed.
Two losing seasons in a row in Pittsburgh and they would probably start calling for Tomlin's head.
That can happen in every market. And you don't have to have a rough start. Kelly was 10-6 and 10-6 in his first year, and now after giving up 45 points in consecutive games, the entire city wants him gone.
How long did Whisenhunt last in Tenn. I think they hired him the same time the Browns hired Pettine.
And McCoy in SD.....again, I think hired same year as Pettine....and he may be gone.
And the only thing that reprieved Joe Philbin in Miami for a while was that he....or was it his wife....had cancer.
They basically fired John Fox in Denver after having gone to the playoffs like every year there. Who would want to possibly go to a situation like that?
So....it is stupid to conclude that no one would come here because they may get fired if they don't succeed.
Every single fucking coach in the NFL is susceptible of being fired if they do not succeed.
Two losing seasons in a row in Pittsburgh and they would probably start calling for Tomlin's head.
Sure there are examples of other teams screwing up and pulling the trigger early, does not mean we need too. I think Pettine had issues, like sticking with his DC far too long, that unit should be way better than it is. But I am looking at the long game, if we use your criteria, then Ron Rivera and Marvin Lewis would not be around today. I can tell you for a fact people were calling for Rivera's head in his second season and now his team is now 11-0. So give Pettine and Farmer one more year, the offense and defense more time in the same season. I mean we have had 6 differenct OCs the last 6 yrs, very hard to win that way. Lets get some stability, show other we are willing to give things time. To me the examples you listed are things NOT to do. You think Kubiak is a better HC than John Fox? Look what Fox has done in Chicago already? Denver is in a slow burn to collapse. Titans still suck, they gave whisenthunt like 3 games with Marriotta at the helm? Dumb as hell. And SD has been decimated I mean decimated by injuries and still have remained competitive in many games. Pettine needs to stay and he needs to dump O'Neil. And Farmer need to let the HC be the HC. You keep the 1/2 yr churn going you will not get the top coaching candidates and the players once they lose a few will say here we go again. You have to change the culture, firing Petitine keeps the status quo the status quo.
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Still a better coach than Mike Pettine.
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That can happen in every market. And you don't have to have a rough start. Kelly was 10-6 and 10-6 in his first year, and now after giving up 45 points in consecutive games, the entire city wants him gone.
How long did Whisenhunt last in Tenn. I think they hired him the same time the Browns hired Pettine.
And McCoy in SD.....again, I think hired same year as Pettine....and he may be gone.
And the only thing that reprieved Joe Philbin in Miami for a while was that he....or was it his wife....had cancer.
They basically fired John Fox in Denver after having gone to the playoffs like every year there. Who would want to possibly go to a situation like that?
So....it is stupid to conclude that no one would come here because they may get fired if they don't succeed.
Every single fucking coach in the NFL is susceptible of being fired if they do not succeed.
Two losing seasons in a row in Pittsburgh and they would probably start calling for Tomlin's head.
Sure there are examples of other teams screwing up and pulling the trigger early, does not mean we need too. I think Pettine had issues, like sticking with his DC far too long, that unit should be way better than it is. But I am looking at the long game, if we use your criteria, then Ron Rivera and Marvin Lewis would not be around today. I can tell you for a fact people were calling for Rivera's head in his second season and now his team is now 11-0. So give Pettine and Farmer one more year, the offense and defense more time in the same season. I mean we have had 6 differenct OCs the last 6 yrs, very hard to win that way. Lets get some stability, show other we are willing to give things time. To me the examples you listed are things NOT to do. You think Kubiak is a better HC than John Fox? Look what Fox has done in Chicago already? Denver is in a slow burn to collapse. Titans still suck, they gave whisenthunt like 3 games with Marriotta at the helm? Dumb as hell. And SD has been decimated I mean decimated by injuries and still have remained competitive in many games. Pettine needs to stay and he needs to dump O'Neil. And Farmer need to let the HC be the HC. You keep the 1/2 yr churn going you will not get the top coaching candidates and the players once they lose a few will say here we go again. You have to change the culture, firing Petitine keeps the status quo the status quo.
Sure there are examples of other teams screwing up and pulling the trigger early, does not mean we need too. I think Pettine had issues, like sticking with his DC far too long, that unit should be way better than it is. But I am looking at the long game, if we use your criteria, then Ron Rivera and Marvin Lewis would not be around today. I can tell you for a fact people were calling for Rivera's head in his second season and now his team is now 11-0. So give Pettine and Farmer one more year, the offense and defense more time in the same season. I mean we have had 6 differenct OCs the last 6 yrs, very hard to win that way. Lets get some stability, show other we are willing to give things time. To me the examples you listed are things NOT to do. You think Kubiak is a better HC than John Fox? Look what Fox has done in Chicago already? Denver is in a slow burn to collapse. Titans still suck, they gave whisenthunt like 3 games with Marriotta at the helm? Dumb as hell. And SD has been decimated I mean decimated by injuries and still have remained competitive in many games. Pettine needs to stay and he needs to dump O'Neil. And Farmer need to let the HC be the HC. You keep the 1/2 yr churn going you will not get the top coaching candidates and the players once they lose a few will say here we go again. You have to change the culture, firing Petitine keeps the status quo the status quo.
My point simply was in response to Vag......I showed him where other teams besides the Browns had quick triggers on firing coaches.
I am not urging the firing of Pettine......his DC...yes.
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Wisenhunt should have been fired after last years lost to the Browns
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Another point worth mentioning is coaches not wanting to coach in Cleveland because they know if they have a rough start they may get tossed.
That can happen in every market. And you don't have to have a rough start. Kelly was 10-6 and 10-6 in his first year, and now after giving up 45 points in consecutive games, the entire city wants him gone.
How long did Whisenhunt last in Tenn. I think they hired him the same time the Browns hired Pettine.
And McCoy in SD.....again, I think hired same year as Pettine....and he may be gone.
And the only thing that reprieved Joe Philbin in Miami for a while was that he....or was it his wife....had cancer.
They basically fired John Fox in Denver after having gone to the playoffs like every year there. Who would want to possibly go to a situation like that?
So....it is stupid to conclude that no one would come here because they may get fired if they don't succeed.
Every single fucking coach in the NFL is susceptible of being fired if they do not succeed.
Two losing seasons in a row in Pittsburgh and they would probably start calling for Tomlin's head.
That can happen in every market. And you don't have to have a rough start. Kelly was 10-6 and 10-6 in his first year, and now after giving up 45 points in consecutive games, the entire city wants him gone.
How long did Whisenhunt last in Tenn. I think they hired him the same time the Browns hired Pettine.
And McCoy in SD.....again, I think hired same year as Pettine....and he may be gone.
And the only thing that reprieved Joe Philbin in Miami for a while was that he....or was it his wife....had cancer.
They basically fired John Fox in Denver after having gone to the playoffs like every year there. Who would want to possibly go to a situation like that?
So....it is stupid to conclude that no one would come here because they may get fired if they don't succeed.
Every single fucking coach in the NFL is susceptible of being fired if they do not succeed.
Two losing seasons in a row in Pittsburgh and they would probably start calling for Tomlin's head.
Does it matter what the fans want? The Rooney's certainly wouldn't be looking to fire him unless they were seeing a dramatic regression. Fans in certain circles have been calling for his firing for the team going 8-8 a couple seasons in a row and missing the playoffs. Fan opinion should count for zero when making personel decisions.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
lets be honest.....last season the team improved and we all loved Pettine and were on board for him to get more time than the previous regimes.....
Now......less than a year later, the team is doing worse......or has regressed.......and everyone wants him out....
So....the criteria has become that he should be fired BECAUSE the team has gotten worse?......
If thats the case....then more than 1/2 the coaches in the league should be fired immediately.....(17 teams currently have worse records than last season)......(I guess the ravens should fire Ozzie AND Harbaugh, considering they didnt get better and actually have destroyed a playoff team)
So far its been fire Pettine cause the team is regressing.....or fire Oneill because the D sucks.....or fire Farmer cause the talent sucks.....
How about actually figuring out the problem and making a move to correct it, rather than wiping the whole slate clean just to make sure we've eliminated the cause?.......
Knee jerk decisions have killed this team....and if we go and fire em all again?.....then it shall continue.....
what do they say about History repeating itself???
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Yeah... Uh... Jim isn't leaving any time soon lol.
He could have had half of the HC jobs in the NFL last year if he wanted them.
Never said he was. That would be the only coach I'd want at this point in time other than Mike Pettine. Even if the hoodie wanted to be in Cleveland, no thanks unless it was a GM.
Never said he was. That would be the only coach I'd want at this point in time other than Mike Pettine. Even if the hoodie wanted to be in Cleveland, no thanks unless it was a GM.
He is in Michigan because he sucked in the pros.
WSS
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Never said he was. That would be the only coach I'd want at this point in time other than Mike Pettine. Even if the hoodie wanted to be in Cleveland, no thanks unless it was a GM.
He is in Michigan because he sucked in the pros.
WSS
He is in Michigan because he sucked in the pros.
WSS
That's a joke right. 44-19-1
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For the love of Christ can we keep someone around for atleast three years, oh yeah I forgot Browns 101 keep changing so it never gets better.
For the love of Christ can we have someone start coaching to the point that the team is playing competitively and perhaps even winning?
Sorry....but as far as I am concerned.....the reason the Browns are having such a bad season is purely based on the terrible coaching they are receiving from this group. Period. They have as much or more talent than 2/3rds of the teams in the NFL.....but they have a losing culture.
And if a coach wants to stay.....come in and win. At least be competitive and approach a .500 record.
For the love of Christ can we have someone start coaching to the point that the team is playing competitively and perhaps even winning?
Sorry....but as far as I am concerned.....the reason the Browns are having such a bad season is purely based on the terrible coaching they are receiving from this group. Period. They have as much or more talent than 2/3rds of the teams in the NFL.....but they have a losing culture.
And if a coach wants to stay.....come in and win. At least be competitive and approach a .500 record.
Cause your high. The Browns are awful.
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That can happen in every market. And you don't have to have a rough start. Kelly was 10-6 and 10-6 in his first year, and now after giving up 45 points in consecutive games, the entire city wants him gone.
How long did Whisenhunt last in Tenn. I think they hired him the same time the Browns hired Pettine.
And McCoy in SD.....again, I think hired same year as Pettine....and he may be gone.
And the only thing that reprieved Joe Philbin in Miami for a while was that he....or was it his wife....had cancer.
They basically fired John Fox in Denver after having gone to the playoffs like every year there. Who would want to possibly go to a situation like that?
So....it is stupid to conclude that no one would come here because they may get fired if they don't succeed.
Every single fucking coach in the NFL is susceptible of being fired if they do not succeed.
Two losing seasons in a row in Pittsburgh and they would probably start calling for Tomlin's head.
Does it matter what the fans want? The Rooney's certainly wouldn't be looking to fire him unless they were seeing a dramatic regression. Fans in certain circles have been calling for his firing for the team going 8-8 a couple seasons in a row and missing the playoffs. Fan opinion should count for zero when making personel decisions.
Does it matter what the fans want? The Rooney's certainly wouldn't be looking to fire him unless they were seeing a dramatic regression. Fans in certain circles have been calling for his firing for the team going 8-8 a couple seasons in a row and missing the playoffs. Fan opinion should count for zero when making personel decisions.
No, you are right....it doesn't matter what the fans want....and the Rooney's certainly would not fire him....
....but my point simply is.....the Fans there WOULD be calling for his firing....even though it would count for nothing....it would still happen.
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For the love of Christ can we have someone start coaching to the point that the team is playing competitively and perhaps even winning?
Sorry....but as far as I am concerned.....the reason the Browns are having such a bad season is purely based on the terrible coaching they are receiving from this group. Period. They have as much or more talent than 2/3rds of the teams in the NFL.....but they have a losing culture.
And if a coach wants to stay.....come in and win. At least be competitive and approach a .500 record.
Cause your high. The Browns are awful.
Cause your high. The Browns are awful.
The Browns are awful......mainly because they are coached terribly. So you are right.
I see where maybe they have at most 3-4 spots that could/should be filled/upgraded. (not counting injury)
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lets be honest.....last season the team improved and we all loved Pettine and were on board for him to get more time than the previous regimes.....
Now......less than a year later, the team is doing worse......or has regressed.......and everyone wants him out....
So....the criteria has become that he should be fired BECAUSE the team has gotten worse?......
If thats the case....then more than 1/2 the coaches in the league should be fired immediately.....(17 teams currently have worse records than last season)......(I guess the ravens should fire Ozzie AND Harbaugh, considering they didnt get better and actually have destroyed a playoff team)
So far its been fire Pettine cause the team is regressing.....or fire Oneill because the D sucks.....or fire Farmer cause the talent sucks.....
How about actually figuring out the problem and making a move to correct it, rather than wiping the whole slate clean just to make sure we've eliminated the cause?.......
Knee jerk decisions have killed this team....and if we go and fire em all again?.....then it shall continue.....
what do they say about History repeating itself???
lets be honest.....last season the team improved and we all loved Pettine and were on board for him to get more time than the previous regimes.....
Now......less than a year later, the team is doing worse......or has regressed.......and everyone wants him out....
So....the criteria has become that he should be fired BECAUSE the team has gotten worse?......
If thats the case....then more than 1/2 the coaches in the league should be fired immediately.....(17 teams currently have worse records than last season)......(I guess the ravens should fire Ozzie AND Harbaugh, considering they didnt get better and actually have destroyed a playoff team)
So far its been fire Pettine cause the team is regressing.....or fire Oneill because the D sucks.....or fire Farmer cause the talent sucks.....
How about actually figuring out the problem and making a move to correct it, rather than wiping the whole slate clean just to make sure we've eliminated the cause?.......
Knee jerk decisions have killed this team....and if we go and fire em all again?.....then it shall continue.....
what do they say about History repeating itself???
I think you're correct about a lot of things, but the difficult part of the equation is figuring out exactly what is wrong. Me and you have discussed this at great length, and the consensus is basically we need an infusion of talent...at a lot of different positions. We've been blown out in four straight games, which is a rarity in the NFL. Is talent alone enough to get us back to progressing, or is there an issue with our overall scheme? Is there something fundamentally wrong with how we go about our business? Honestly, that's above my pay grade. It's safe to say we need more talent, but I'm worried about our inability to make any corrective actions during the course of the season. If plans aren't working out, I would think a good coach might be able to figure out some methods to create some success.
In Pettine's defense, it doesn't help that our secondary has been decimated by injuries, and the secondary has been victimized extensively during our blowout streak. How much of it is his fault? How many other teams can thrive when they lose their probowl DB's? Is it on Farmer's shoulders to provide the coach with better backups? Nobody is really going to have the answer, and as a fan, this is all too familiar, and way too frustrating.
I've never gone on record and said "Fire Pettine!" I have suggested that maybe a new defensive coordinator could be the answer, but that doesn't seem likely, as Pettine and O'Neil go back a long way. We definitely need more talent, but we also have to play better too. We can't drop touchdowns, we can't have penalties on the one yard line, and we can't have other penalties that keep opponent's drives alive. The penalties aren't really on the coaches. That's on the players. I'm not sure firing Pettine would help, but at the same time, are we doing more damage by keeping potentially the wrong guy? I wish I knew.
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He is in Michigan because he sucked in the pros.
WSS
That's a joke right. 44-19-1
That's a joke right. 44-19-1
He's one of the guys that probably doesn't belong in a football discussion. Fires off what he thinks is true and then puts all the cards in that basket. when proven wrong it's deny, deny, deny. Go check out the political board. Harbaugh had a tough final season in SF and took all the blame. Kaep isn't very good. He lost a all pro middle linebacker to retirement and then lost Borland because of the concussion concern. Add in the Michigan job opening and the cards were on the table.
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lets be honest.....last season the team improved and we all loved Pettine and were on board for him to get more time than the previous regimes.....
Now......less than a year later, the team is doing worse......or has regressed.......and everyone wants him out....
So....the criteria has become that he should be fired BECAUSE the team has gotten worse?......
If thats the case....then more than 1/2 the coaches in the league should be fired immediately.....(17 teams currently have worse records than last season)......(I guess the ravens should fire Ozzie AND Harbaugh, considering they didnt get better and actually have destroyed a playoff team)
So far its been fire Pettine cause the team is regressing.....or fire Oneill because the D sucks.....or fire Farmer cause the talent sucks.....
How about actually figuring out the problem and making a move to correct it, rather than wiping the whole slate clean just to make sure we've eliminated the cause?.......
Knee jerk decisions have killed this team....and if we go and fire em all again?.....then it shall continue.....
what do they say about History repeating itself???
I think you're correct about a lot of things, but the difficult part of the equation is figuring out exactly what is wrong. Me and you have discussed this at great length, and the consensus is basically we need an infusion of talent...at a lot of different positions. We've been blown out in four straight games, which is a rarity in the NFL. Is talent alone enough to get us back to progressing, or is there an issue with our overall scheme? Is there something fundamentally wrong with how we go about our business? Honestly, that's above my pay grade. It's safe to say we need more talent, but I'm worried about our inability to make any corrective actions during the course of the season. If plans aren't working out, I would think a good coach might be able to figure out some methods to create some success.
In Pettine's defense, it doesn't help that our secondary has been decimated by injuries, and the secondary has been victimized extensively during our blowout streak. How much of it is his fault? How many other teams can thrive when they lose their probowl DB's? Is it on Farmer's shoulders to provide the coach with better backups? Nobody is really going to have the answer, and as a fan, this is all too familiar, and way too frustrating.
I've never gone on record and said "Fire Pettine!" I have suggested that maybe a new defensive coordinator could be the answer, but that doesn't seem likely, as Pettine and O'Neil go back a long way. We definitely need more talent, but we also have to play better too. We can't drop touchdowns, we can't have penalties on the one yard line, and we can't have other penalties that keep opponent's drives alive. The penalties aren't really on the coaches. That's on the players. I'm not sure firing Pettine would help, but at the same time, are we doing more damage by keeping potentially the wrong guy? I wish I knew.
I think you're correct about a lot of things, but the difficult part of the equation is figuring out exactly what is wrong. Honestly, that's above my pay grade. It's safe to say we need more talent,
I'm not sure firing Pettine would help, but at the same time, are we doing more damage by keeping potentially the wrong guy? I wish I knew.
Well,,,,,it's above my pay scale too......Im just saying that I dont believe Farmer, Pettine & Oneill are all incompetent....
But just firing everybody again would show me that Haslem IS incompetent and has no clue whats wrong with the team or how to hire the right people.....
My experience has always been that you can only win with talent....lots of talent......Ive never seen a great coach win it all without great players.....and, right now, we dont have any great players....
so, before switching coaches, Id at least wait to see what this one could do with the proper talent in place(and healthy).....
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