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  • I don't know about you guys, but I believe Pettine played Austin last week to see if Johnny would fuck up and do something stupid on his birthday.. Which is why the announcement was today instead of yesterday. Pettine was gathering info from the weekend. Looks like Johnny passed the test..

  • KvoetheK Kvoethe

    I still think Pettine wants nothing to do with him, while the FO says you will, and like it.

    @kvoethe said:

    I still think Pettine wants nothing to do with him, while the FO says you will, and like it.

    I've heard some that it is Pettines job to field his best team. .. I don't see it as a personality conflict...more like coach sees lack of talent. Now it's just a matter of getting him a decent gameplan and most likely show the world why he hasn't played

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  • Manziel playing well can only help him. What he really needs though, is a couple wins and some sort of significant late turnaround on defense.

    Z

  • KvoetheK Kvoethe

    I still think Pettine wants nothing to do with him, while the FO says you will, and like it.

    @kvoethe said:

    I still think Pettine wants nothing to do with him, while the FO says you will, and like it.

    That's possible... If thats the case and Pettine is still here next year, we need to root for the Cowboys to keep losing without Romo.

  • Dallas is no place JM will last & train wreck in life is pending. Listened to Pacman Jones radio interview the other day & Pacman was only saved by going to Bengals & getting out of Dallas due to Dallas nite life is allowed by Jerry Jones & his players. Wish what you will..

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    @kvoethe said:

    I still think Pettine wants nothing to do with him, while the FO says you will, and like it.

    I've heard some that it is Pettines job to field his best team. .. I don't see it as a personality conflict...more like coach sees lack of talent. Now it's just a matter of getting him a decent gameplan and most likely show the world why he hasn't played

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    I've heard some that it is Pettines job to field his best team. .. I don't see it as a personality conflict...more like coach sees lack of talent. Now it's just a matter of getting him a decent gameplan and most likely show the world why he hasn't played

    I don't think "lack of talent" is something Pettine ever saw in Johnny.

    Mike

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @westside-steve said:

    I can understand the coaches vindictive attitude and I understand his need for some sort of punishment. I also understand what's good or not so good for the franchise. At this point a four-game audition won't really tell us much.

    Whoever the quarterback is will be playing with a depleted team held together by spackling compound and bondo.

    So far three of the four opponents are fighting for a playoff spot.

    You have to wonder about the attitude of Mike or Johnny because both have to realize the more than likely only one of them will be back next year. And they probably hate each other.

    I wonder if Mike Pettine, believing he is about to be fired, would sabotage the next four outings?

    (I thought the rest of the team might rally around him for the Cincinnati game and give the Bengals a run for their money but...)

    Well... what you lack in understanding organization dynamics you make up for in imaginatively ascribing motives. I guess that is consistent with the artistic mind. Pretty big swing to go from thinking we have a coach a "team might rally around" to one that would consider "sabotage".

    Only added piece missing from the O is Bito. Until Week 17 Erving won't be seeing a another Atkins-like DT. RB corps is same as has been in weeks. WR corps starts with Benji and Hart, same as it has all year. So why exactly can't the QB be judged now?

    Most of the talking heads I have heard agree that 4 games will tell us enough. Their division is around two points: do we really need to see more, and is the look for us or potential trade partners.

    I honestly believe if Pet was told to start JM over his objections, that he would decline. Contractually he has roster control. Haslam would have to fire him.

    The list of reasons Pet might not be our HC in 2016 does not include "lacks integrity".

    @tour2ma said:

    Well... what you lack in understanding organization dynamics you make up for in imaginatively ascribing motives. I guess that is consistent with the artistic mind. Pretty big swing to go from thinking we have a coach a "team might rally around" to one that would consider "sabotage".

    â—Ź My friend, maybe sabotage is too strong a word. But trust me when I say that when it comes to the nuts and bolts of the game, defining the fine points of when and how and what personnel is necessary to run the pistol or the cover two defense and so forth I find your grasp second to none.

    But when it comes to the personalities that may or may not be involved in this situation and given the quality of hard evidence we receive from the likes of ESPN Mary Kay or Grossi (nevermind the radio jocks) that my nearly five decades of experience dealing with talented, sometimes arrogant, often stubborn and egocentric personalities afford me a fair amount of insight, which is at the very least as good as anyone's here. Even if it gets a bit exaggerated at times . â—Ź

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  • The Browns go four and 0 I think Johnny and the coach will remain strange bedfellows for another season of Browns football

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  • Pet saw Hoyer & Mc Cown as a better chance to win & todays decision remains the same.

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  • Manziel playing well is not going to hurt Pettine.

    Personally I don't think Pettine really mishandled the quarterbacks this year. All 3 of them have played "good enough" to win games.

  • Who are his weapons? Outside of Benjamin we have the worst offensive players in the NFL. Who's going to be the play maker? We have Barnidge at thirty playing lights out and Benjamin. Duke Jr. And Crowell stink! We should have kept Turbin and Draugn. So when Johnny starts running for his life out there, Pettine will bench him again. Or tell the reporters at half time I wish he'd stay in the pocket.

    There won't be any improvising on Pettine's watch. Look what improvising has done to Russell Wilson!

    Bring Back Brownie has a point. Maybe Pettine was waiting for Manziel to do something stupid. But Jon Gruden thinks Manziel was treated unfairly. After all he wasn't doing anything illegal. Holding a bottle in front of a camera on your day off is a judgement call.

    There's such a thing as being too critical. They knew what they were getting and drafted him anyway! Now they want him to change into St. John over night. He's 23, talented, cocky but used to be a winner. If they let him go to another team then maybe he will have a chance to prove he's still a winner.

    If they keep him, which I doubt, they need to draft some weapons. No matter who plays QB for them next year they lack talent.

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  • Canton MikeC Canton Mike

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    I've heard some that it is Pettines job to field his best team. .. I don't see it as a personality conflict...more like coach sees lack of talent. Now it's just a matter of getting him a decent gameplan and most likely show the world why he hasn't played

    I don't think "lack of talent" is something Pettine ever saw in Johnny.

    Mike

    @canton-mike said:

    I don't think "lack of talent" is something Pettine ever saw in Johnny.

    Mike

    i really think he fears the kid'll get hurt or hurt the team.

  • they're playing him to showcase him (if that's possible).

    hope he does well enough that jones gives up a decent draft pick.

    i'm sure that sunday night meeting went something like this:

    haslam: sorry guys i fucked up and made the pick on manziel. do you think we should play him so we at least can get some teams interested in a trade?......cuz he's out of here.

    farmer: yes

    pettine: ok

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @texasag1969 said:

    "The goal for every game is to go out and win," Pettine said, "and Johnny needs to show that he can put us in position to do so during these last four weeks of the season."

    What the hell does that mean?

    Well... according to my Pettine decoder ring...

    JM must play well within the system, making reads until it's time to go JFF...

    @tour2ma said:

    Well... according to my Pettine decoder ring...

    JM must play well within the system, making reads until it's time to go JFF...

    Oh, I was sure he was making him starting safety over Gipson as well as starting QB. How else does he expect him to keep it close?

  • KvoetheK Kvoethe

    Is that the last nail in Pettines coffin?

    Theres no question he has been holding him back...musical qbs, putting him in time out..

    I think he would still be playing Davis if someone didnt push the issue.

    I think the lack of steady Qb play once again has hurt any type of cohesion in the team.

    @kvoethe said:

    Theres no question he has been holding him back...musical qbs, putting him in time out..

    I think he would still be playing Davis if someone didnt push the issue.

    I think the lack of steady Qb play once again has hurt any type of cohesion in the team.

    I think you are guessing. You have zero evidence to support a single one of your "insights".

    What is objectively apparent is that JM has developed as a QB under Pet and company. The only "holding back" was JM withholding his full effort throughout the 2014 season.

    Then came 2015. The effort improved. It showed in an early effort against a mediocre team, but that game also showed performance gaps... as did the 2nd start. Then start #3 finally showed some real progress.

    Finally came a benching designed for only one purpose... to develop JM as a person.

    It'll be a while before we know how effective that was, but starting Sunday I think we will see it did him no harm as a football player.

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  • Personally I hope he plays really well and we keep him meaning a draft pick can be used to bolster our defense instead. QBs have not been the issue(s) this year. I didn't see Sunday's game, but from what I heard Davis was okay. This team must be so low on confidence right now it's hard to see another win whoever plays QB.

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  • If it goes well then keep him, in addition to the other two/three QBs. Start him next season. You COULD even dump McCown if it's financially worth it, but he would still be a help. (EDIT: on second thought, given the policy of the next paragraph, don't dump McCown).

    Off the field, I would tell him not to drink until the end of the season. If he does, he's gone. In the offseason, he can do whatever but IF he does anything illegal or gets arrested for ANYTHING, he's gone. I'm not saying I'm in favor of him drinking. I'm 100% not. I'm just not sure how seemly it is for the org to be controlling legal off-field activity.

  • I agree JM must be micro managed out of Berea too.

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  • What coach Haslam wants, coach Haslam gets. Funny how a guy that never played or coached is making the decision. That doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

  • Why is everyone assuming Pett is "forced" to start Johnny, when he said last week, and all along, that he would get another chance?

    Pett makes all decisions with the 53 he is given.

    Are people really butthurt that Johnny got benched for lying to the team? And when his replacement played well in relief he sat another game. Hell, if McCown is still healthy, he might still be sitting.

    Its the right team to start him. He got a chance to start a couple weeks an ago and HE blew that ... not Pett.

    If he plays well down the stretch, that should be a credit to Pett and the staff, he wasnt holding Johnny back, Johnny was.

    Z

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