Keep Pettine in Place at Least 1 More Year

bbedward

The whole defensive staff has to go, at least.

MedinaDawg

I don't think another coach would've had a much better record than we do, given what Pettine had to work with this year. Donte Whitner has come to Pettine's defense saying keep the coaching staff...."we've let them down." I'm hoping more players speak up.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/12/donte_whitner_calls_for_jimmy.html#incart_river_index

Who would the Browns turn to if Pettine was fired? What good, experienced NFL coach would want to take over, with the revolving coaching door that Cleveland represents. Would you want a rookie coach to replace him? Unless Urban Meyer wants to come to town, no one else would interest me.

I say stay the course, bring in talent through the draft, give Pettine play-making players and more time.

MedinaDawg

@bbedward said:
The whole defensive staff has to go, at least.

Inheriting what defensive talent?

bbedward

We did not go from top 10-15 defense to 2nd worse entirely because of talent.

The rotations are bad, the calls are bad, the scheme is a cluster fuk

beare

I cant believe anyone would want to keep any of this staff or the gm !!!

MedinaDawg

@beare said:
I cant believe anyone would want to keep any of this staff or the gm !!!

But you'd be hard-pressed to name a next coach, who would have to bring in his own staff.

Look at defensive coordinator Jim O'Neal

"Jim O’Neil was named Browns defensive coordinator on Jan. 29, 2014.

In his first season as defensive coordinator, O’Neil’s unit made significant increases in nearly every major defensive statistic, including red zone defense (29th in 2013 to fifth in 2014), third down defense (31st to 11th), points per game (23rd to ninth) and quarterback rating (16th to first). The team led the NFL in opponent completion percentage (57.1), opponent passer rating (74.1) and passes defensed (99). The Browns finished second in the league with 21 interceptions, the team’s highest total since 2008, while also finishing tied for fourth in takeaways (29). Cleveland’s defense also finished in the top-10 in the league in pass defense (fifth with 6.44 yards per attempt) and total defense (ninth with an average of 5.24 yards per play)."

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/coaches/jim-oneil/dc6a41dc-5088-49a1-9793-c3b5bff3c762

What's changed with O'Neal? He did a fantastic job last year, obviously a talented guy. Now he's had a secondary with a rash of injuries, and admittedly (Donte Whitner) poor execution by players. Why get rid of this guy? Replace him with who? His job at the end of the season will be to analyze what the problems where, evaluate the players and make recommendations to the GM.

I know I sure wouldn't want to go into the draft with an entirely new coaching staff.

Richiswhere

You do realize only 5 teams played a weaker schedule than the Browns in 2014?

bringbackbrownie2

@richiswhere said:
You do realize only 5 teams played a weaker schedule than the Browns in 2014?

There is no such thing. Wins are wins. The rams, chargers, and Ravens all suck this year and the browns still lost. You are what your record is. No such thing as an easy schedule.

bbedward

@bringbackbrownie2 said:
There is no such thing. Wins are wins. The rams, chargers, and Ravens all suck this year and the browns still lost. You are what your record is. No such thing as an easy schedule.

I disagree, I say there definitely is such thing.

MLD Woody

How could he have predicted the Manziel drama.... really? Really?

You mean the thing that EVERYONE saw coming except for Aggie fans and Browns fans that loved the smell of Johnny's farts?

nickers

@diehardbrownsfan said:
Fuck Pettine.

Exactly

Mudfly

@bbedward said:

We did not go from top 10-15 defense to 2nd worse entirely because of talent.

The rotations are bad, the calls are bad, the scheme is a cluster fuk

We went from 24 to 29.....and, almost, 100% due to our pass D dropping from #1 to #24.....

And that is because Gipson and Haden were out....

Gonna start a D thread and spell it out....cause no one has shown me.....(even once)....where these assumed bad rotations, calls and schemes are to be found.....

Still waiting or that.....anyone???

wargograw

Hope they keep him too, but defense and running game better be alive and well next year.

Browns149

I do recall Jon Gruden wondering out loud on Monday Night Football, "what defense are the Browns playing?"

I don't know who would want the jobs, but they need a whole new administration. From GM all the way down to the ball boys

cvcanedy

@browns149 said:

I do recall Jon Gruden wondering out loud on Monday Night Football, "what defense are the Browns playing?"

I don't know who would want the jobs, but they need a whole new administration. From GM all the way down to the ball boys

It's hard to pin this one on the ball boys, they've been playing their hearts out.

MedinaDawg

Here's how it would go....

Browns fire Pettine and Farmer, 90% of the posters complain about yet another "blow-up" and call for new ownership, launch search for new coach, select new coach, 80% of the posters here complain about the selection, draft takes place, 75 % the posters complain about the picks, Browns go 4-12 in 2016, 100% of the posters complain about the new management/coaching, argumentum ad infinitum (an argument made repeatedly (possibly by different people) until nobody cares to discuss it any more.)

Browns149

That sounds like the last 17 years

TexasAg1969

@browns149 said:
That sounds like the last 17 years

Only if we get the next ex-Browns QB in the draft as well.

Mudfly

@medinadawg said:

Here's how it would go....

Browns fire Pettine and Farmer, 90% of the posters complain about yet another "blow-up" and call for new ownership, launch search for new coach, select new coach, 80% of the posters here complain about the selection, draft takes place, 75 % the posters complain about the picks, Browns go 4-12 in 2016, 100% of the posters complain about the new management/coaching, argumentum ad infinitum (an argument made repeatedly (possibly by different people) until nobody cares to discuss it any more.)

Right.....Im with you....

Coaching is getting blamed because thats the easy fix....and an easy solution....just pick a target and attack.....

Pettine is not the issue....but you(and I) are just spinning wheels....no one wants to hear the truth....(talent lacks)

MedinaDawg

@mudfly said:

Right.....Im with you....

Coaching is getting blamed because thats the easy fix....and an easy solution....just pick a target and attack.....

Pettine is not the issue....but you(and I) are just spinning wheels....no one wants to hear the truth....(talent lacks)

I can't believe someone actually agrees with me!!

Analyze the season, determine what went wrong, do your best to upgrade talent, and stay the course. Blowing things up, bringing in completely new staff, and changing the entire system again, is a recipe for continued failure. There comes a time (now) when you just halve to dig in your heels and avoid knee-jerk reactions. They've never got us anywhere before and they won't if we go that route again.