Keep Pettine in Place at Least 1 More Year
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How could he have predicted the Manziel drama.... really? Really?
You mean the thing that EVERYONE saw coming except for Aggie fans and Browns fans that loved the smell of Johnny's farts?
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Fuck Pettine.
Fuck Pettine.
Exactly
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We did not go from top 10-15 defense to 2nd worse entirely because of talent.
The rotations are bad, the calls are bad, the scheme is a cluster fuk
We did not go from top 10-15 defense to 2nd worse entirely because of talent.
The rotations are bad, the calls are bad, the scheme is a cluster fuk
We went from 24 to 29.....and, almost, 100% due to our pass D dropping from #1 to #24.....
And that is because Gipson and Haden were out....
Gonna start a D thread and spell it out....cause no one has shown me.....(even once)....where these assumed bad rotations, calls and schemes are to be found.....
Still waiting or that.....anyone???
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Hope they keep him too, but defense and running game better be alive and well next year.
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I do recall Jon Gruden wondering out loud on Monday Night Football, "what defense are the Browns playing?"
I don't know who would want the jobs, but they need a whole new administration. From GM all the way down to the ball boys
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I do recall Jon Gruden wondering out loud on Monday Night Football, "what defense are the Browns playing?"
I don't know who would want the jobs, but they need a whole new administration. From GM all the way down to the ball boys
I do recall Jon Gruden wondering out loud on Monday Night Football, "what defense are the Browns playing?"
I don't know who would want the jobs, but they need a whole new administration. From GM all the way down to the ball boys
It's hard to pin this one on the ball boys, they've been playing their hearts out.
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Here's how it would go....
Browns fire Pettine and Farmer, 90% of the posters complain about yet another "blow-up" and call for new ownership, launch search for new coach, select new coach, 80% of the posters here complain about the selection, draft takes place, 75 % the posters complain about the picks, Browns go 4-12 in 2016, 100% of the posters complain about the new management/coaching, argumentum ad infinitum (an argument made repeatedly (possibly by different people) until nobody cares to discuss it any more.)
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That sounds like the last 17 years
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That sounds like the last 17 years
Only if we get the next ex-Browns QB in the draft as well.
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Here's how it would go....
Browns fire Pettine and Farmer, 90% of the posters complain about yet another "blow-up" and call for new ownership, launch search for new coach, select new coach, 80% of the posters here complain about the selection, draft takes place, 75 % the posters complain about the picks, Browns go 4-12 in 2016, 100% of the posters complain about the new management/coaching, argumentum ad infinitum (an argument made repeatedly (possibly by different people) until nobody cares to discuss it any more.)
Here's how it would go....
Browns fire Pettine and Farmer, 90% of the posters complain about yet another "blow-up" and call for new ownership, launch search for new coach, select new coach, 80% of the posters here complain about the selection, draft takes place, 75 % the posters complain about the picks, Browns go 4-12 in 2016, 100% of the posters complain about the new management/coaching, argumentum ad infinitum (an argument made repeatedly (possibly by different people) until nobody cares to discuss it any more.)
Right.....Im with you....
Coaching is getting blamed because thats the easy fix....and an easy solution....just pick a target and attack.....
Pettine is not the issue....but you(and I) are just spinning wheels....no one wants to hear the truth....(talent lacks)
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Here's how it would go....
Browns fire Pettine and Farmer, 90% of the posters complain about yet another "blow-up" and call for new ownership, launch search for new coach, select new coach, 80% of the posters here complain about the selection, draft takes place, 75 % the posters complain about the picks, Browns go 4-12 in 2016, 100% of the posters complain about the new management/coaching, argumentum ad infinitum (an argument made repeatedly (possibly by different people) until nobody cares to discuss it any more.)
Right.....Im with you....
Coaching is getting blamed because thats the easy fix....and an easy solution....just pick a target and attack.....
Pettine is not the issue....but you(and I) are just spinning wheels....no one wants to hear the truth....(talent lacks)
Right.....Im with you....
Coaching is getting blamed because thats the easy fix....and an easy solution....just pick a target and attack.....
Pettine is not the issue....but you(and I) are just spinning wheels....no one wants to hear the truth....(talent lacks)
I can't believe someone actually agrees with me!!
Analyze the season, determine what went wrong, do your best to upgrade talent, and stay the course. Blowing things up, bringing in completely new staff, and changing the entire system again, is a recipe for continued failure. There comes a time (now) when you just halve to dig in your heels and avoid knee-jerk reactions. They've never got us anywhere before and they won't if we go that route again.
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Manziel makes this team better. Pettine does not.
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I like pettine
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This was on NFL.com today...
Browns head coach Mike Pettine hinted at some discord between the front office and coaching staff a week ago, but just how bad has it gotten?
Per NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, the coaching staff does not think the scouting department provided them with nearly enough ammo to run the game plan. The scouting department, on the other hand, does not think the coaching staff is making enough in-game changes to utilize the players properly.
The result?
Per Rapoport, it is "unfathomable" to think both Pettine and general manager Ray Farmer will be back together next year.
At this point, it's obvious. The Browns are again broken and while many times the smartest football people will advocate for patience -- look at the rise of the Panthers, Bengals, Texans and even Jaguars -- the Browns are continuously trying to operate through a smog.
If there is this much pent up anger between both sides, it would be almost impossible to reach a consensus and with a draft right around the corner, the time should be now to make a move. This team almost had another two first-round picks, but could still very well end up with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 draft. These are crucial, irreversible decisions that will impact the franchise for decades.
Nobody is without fault here. On the field, Pettine's teams have lost 15 of their last 17 games. His on-field decisions have been puzzling at times and the hard-nosed, defensive mentality he promised the fans of Cleveland has yet to arrive. A rotating cast of promising power backs have come and gone, many of whom are backing up on other teams at the moment. Farmer signed the draft card on Justin Gilbert. At the the moment, he appears to have blown two consecutive drafts with two first-round picks, an unbelievable opportunity for a general manager to turn around the fate of the franchise. Instead of having Khalil Mack or Derek Carr or Sammy Watkins or Odell Beckham or, really, anyone from the first round of that loaded draft, the Browns have very little.
If the coach and general manager can't agree philosophically on the team's direction, someone -- or both -- have got to go.
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I think coaches in all sports get blamed way more than they deserve for losing. It's a hell of a lot easier when you have pro bowl caliber players on each side of the ball. It's way easier to fire the coach than to fire 40 players and find replacements.
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Johnny Manziel = Franchise QB
Mike Pettine = Franchise Head Coach
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I don't want to see Pettine fired after this season. I think he's a stand-up guy and I think the players respect him and want to play for him. I feel he's the least to blame for this dismal season and deserves a shot to right-the-ship.
How could he have predicted:
1. The Johnny Manziel drama. He was force-fed Manziel in my beilief. Haslam and Farmer were responsible for drafting JM, not Pettine.
2. Josh Gordon being suspended for the season. Losing an elite #1 receiver, with no close #2 guy, killed this offense.
3. Dwayne Bowe's complete failure. He sure as heck didn't go out and sign Bowe. Absolutely no blame sure be directed at Pettine.
4. The poor play of the offensive line. It's just mind-boggling how poorly they have played and are majorlly responsible for the non-existent running game.
5. Concussions wiping out starters.
6. The poor performance of the defensive line. I think it starts with Shelton. What's this guy's problem, he was suppose to be a beast?
I could go on and on but Pettine has got the raw deal via things he can't really control. Let's face it, he has no play-makers. How do win games without play-makers? What's the guy to do....yell at them louder?
Keep Pettine, get rid of Farmer, perhaps change some position coaches.
Pettine is a Pee Wee Football coach. He has no leadership. He hasn't come close to "coaching-up" a single position let alone player. He is a confidence killer and anti-motivator. He is the worst coach we have had here among a list of weak coaches ... except for maybe Robiskie, that guy was an idiot.
Farmer hasn't done a good job, but what players Farmer has brought in, Pettine mis-managed them and certainly did not grow them or coach them to any success.
Stop with the "stand-up guy" bullshit. He's an ambulance chaser. He attempts to try to address things after it is already a fiasco, try preventing the meltdowns in the first place, now that would be coaching.
Haslem ought to fire the guy tonight, just for his mismanagement of Manziel alone. Haslem ought to bitch-slap Pettine's bald head at a press conference and send the Uncle Fester P.O.S. packing.
I don't want to see Pettine fired after this season. I think he's a stand-up guy and I think the players respect him and want to play for him. I feel he's the least to blame for this dismal season and deserves a shot to right-the-ship.
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Pettine is a Pee Wee Football coach. He has no leadership. He hasn't come close to "coaching-up" a single position let alone player. He is a confidence killer and anti-motivator. He is the worst coach we have had here among a list of weak coaches ... except for maybe Robiskie, that guy was an idiot.
Farmer hasn't done a good job, but what players Farmer has brought in, Pettine mis-managed them and certainly did not grow them or coach them to any success.
Stop with the "stand-up guy" bullshit. He's an ambulance chaser. He attempts to try to address things after it is already a fiasco, try preventing the meltdowns in the first place, now that would be coaching.
Haslem ought to fire the guy tonight, just for his mismanagement of Manziel alone. Haslem ought to bitch-slap Pettine's bald head at a press conference and send the Uncle Fester P.O.S. packing.
I don't want to see Pettine fired after this season. I think he's a stand-up guy and I think the players respect him and want to play for him. I feel he's the least to blame for this dismal season and deserves a shot to right-the-ship.
Pettine is a Pee Wee Football coach. He has no leadership. He hasn't come close to "coaching-up" a single position let alone player. He is a confidence killer and anti-motivator. He is the worst coach we have had here among a list of weak coaches ... except for maybe Robiskie, that guy was an idiot.
Farmer hasn't done a good job, but what players Farmer has brought in, Pettine mis-managed them and certain did not grow them or coach them to any success.
Stop with the "stand-up guy" bullshit. He's an ambulance chaser. He attempts to ry address things after it is already a fiasco, try preventing the meltdowns in the first place, now that would be coaching.
Haslem ought to fire the guy tonight, just for his mismanagement of Manziel alone. Haslem ought to bitch-slap Pettine's bald head at a press conference and send the Uncle Fester P.O.S. packing.
Agree bro.
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I think the handling of Manziel was appropriate by Pettine, sounds like he had the support of the locker room too.
And if you think Manziel is a stud franchise QB (obviously annointing him after 1 game is crazy) - then I'd say he "coached-up" Manziel pretty well.
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