Keep Pettine in Place at Least 1 More Year
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We did not go from top 10-15 defense to 2nd worse entirely because of talent.
The rotations are bad, the calls are bad, the scheme is a cluster fuk
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I cant believe anyone would want to keep any of this staff or the gm !!!
But you'd be hard-pressed to name a next coach, who would have to bring in his own staff.
Look at defensive coordinator Jim O'Neal
"Jim O’Neil was named Browns defensive coordinator on Jan. 29, 2014.
In his first season as defensive coordinator, O’Neil’s unit made significant increases in nearly every major defensive statistic, including red zone defense (29th in 2013 to fifth in 2014), third down defense (31st to 11th), points per game (23rd to ninth) and quarterback rating (16th to first). The team led the NFL in opponent completion percentage (57.1), opponent passer rating (74.1) and passes defensed (99). The Browns finished second in the league with 21 interceptions, the team’s highest total since 2008, while also finishing tied for fourth in takeaways (29). Cleveland’s defense also finished in the top-10 in the league in pass defense (fifth with 6.44 yards per attempt) and total defense (ninth with an average of 5.24 yards per play)."
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/coaches/jim-oneil/dc6a41dc-5088-49a1-9793-c3b5bff3c762
What's changed with O'Neal? He did a fantastic job last year, obviously a talented guy. Now he's had a secondary with a rash of injuries, and admittedly (Donte Whitner) poor execution by players. Why get rid of this guy? Replace him with who? His job at the end of the season will be to analyze what the problems where, evaluate the players and make recommendations to the GM.
I know I sure wouldn't want to go into the draft with an entirely new coaching staff.
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You do realize only 5 teams played a weaker schedule than the Browns in 2014?
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You do realize only 5 teams played a weaker schedule than the Browns in 2014?
You do realize only 5 teams played a weaker schedule than the Browns in 2014?
There is no such thing. Wins are wins. The rams, chargers, and Ravens all suck this year and the browns still lost. You are what your record is. No such thing as an easy schedule.
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You do realize only 5 teams played a weaker schedule than the Browns in 2014?
There is no such thing. Wins are wins. The rams, chargers, and Ravens all suck this year and the browns still lost. You are what your record is. No such thing as an easy schedule.
There is no such thing. Wins are wins. The rams, chargers, and Ravens all suck this year and the browns still lost. You are what your record is. No such thing as an easy schedule.
I disagree, I say there definitely is such thing.
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How could he have predicted the Manziel drama.... really? Really?
You mean the thing that EVERYONE saw coming except for Aggie fans and Browns fans that loved the smell of Johnny's farts?
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Fuck Pettine.
Fuck Pettine.
Exactly
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We did not go from top 10-15 defense to 2nd worse entirely because of talent.
The rotations are bad, the calls are bad, the scheme is a cluster fuk
We did not go from top 10-15 defense to 2nd worse entirely because of talent.
The rotations are bad, the calls are bad, the scheme is a cluster fuk
We went from 24 to 29.....and, almost, 100% due to our pass D dropping from #1 to #24.....
And that is because Gipson and Haden were out....
Gonna start a D thread and spell it out....cause no one has shown me.....(even once)....where these assumed bad rotations, calls and schemes are to be found.....
Still waiting or that.....anyone???
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Hope they keep him too, but defense and running game better be alive and well next year.
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I do recall Jon Gruden wondering out loud on Monday Night Football, "what defense are the Browns playing?"
I don't know who would want the jobs, but they need a whole new administration. From GM all the way down to the ball boys
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I do recall Jon Gruden wondering out loud on Monday Night Football, "what defense are the Browns playing?"
I don't know who would want the jobs, but they need a whole new administration. From GM all the way down to the ball boys
I do recall Jon Gruden wondering out loud on Monday Night Football, "what defense are the Browns playing?"
I don't know who would want the jobs, but they need a whole new administration. From GM all the way down to the ball boys
It's hard to pin this one on the ball boys, they've been playing their hearts out.
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Here's how it would go....
Browns fire Pettine and Farmer, 90% of the posters complain about yet another "blow-up" and call for new ownership, launch search for new coach, select new coach, 80% of the posters here complain about the selection, draft takes place, 75 % the posters complain about the picks, Browns go 4-12 in 2016, 100% of the posters complain about the new management/coaching, argumentum ad infinitum (an argument made repeatedly (possibly by different people) until nobody cares to discuss it any more.)
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That sounds like the last 17 years
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That sounds like the last 17 years
Only if we get the next ex-Browns QB in the draft as well.
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Here's how it would go....
Browns fire Pettine and Farmer, 90% of the posters complain about yet another "blow-up" and call for new ownership, launch search for new coach, select new coach, 80% of the posters here complain about the selection, draft takes place, 75 % the posters complain about the picks, Browns go 4-12 in 2016, 100% of the posters complain about the new management/coaching, argumentum ad infinitum (an argument made repeatedly (possibly by different people) until nobody cares to discuss it any more.)
Here's how it would go....
Browns fire Pettine and Farmer, 90% of the posters complain about yet another "blow-up" and call for new ownership, launch search for new coach, select new coach, 80% of the posters here complain about the selection, draft takes place, 75 % the posters complain about the picks, Browns go 4-12 in 2016, 100% of the posters complain about the new management/coaching, argumentum ad infinitum (an argument made repeatedly (possibly by different people) until nobody cares to discuss it any more.)
Right.....Im with you....
Coaching is getting blamed because thats the easy fix....and an easy solution....just pick a target and attack.....
Pettine is not the issue....but you(and I) are just spinning wheels....no one wants to hear the truth....(talent lacks)
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Here's how it would go....
Browns fire Pettine and Farmer, 90% of the posters complain about yet another "blow-up" and call for new ownership, launch search for new coach, select new coach, 80% of the posters here complain about the selection, draft takes place, 75 % the posters complain about the picks, Browns go 4-12 in 2016, 100% of the posters complain about the new management/coaching, argumentum ad infinitum (an argument made repeatedly (possibly by different people) until nobody cares to discuss it any more.)
Right.....Im with you....
Coaching is getting blamed because thats the easy fix....and an easy solution....just pick a target and attack.....
Pettine is not the issue....but you(and I) are just spinning wheels....no one wants to hear the truth....(talent lacks)
Right.....Im with you....
Coaching is getting blamed because thats the easy fix....and an easy solution....just pick a target and attack.....
Pettine is not the issue....but you(and I) are just spinning wheels....no one wants to hear the truth....(talent lacks)
I can't believe someone actually agrees with me!!
Analyze the season, determine what went wrong, do your best to upgrade talent, and stay the course. Blowing things up, bringing in completely new staff, and changing the entire system again, is a recipe for continued failure. There comes a time (now) when you just halve to dig in your heels and avoid knee-jerk reactions. They've never got us anywhere before and they won't if we go that route again.
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Manziel makes this team better. Pettine does not.
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I like pettine
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This was on NFL.com today...
Browns head coach Mike Pettine hinted at some discord between the front office and coaching staff a week ago, but just how bad has it gotten?
Per NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, the coaching staff does not think the scouting department provided them with nearly enough ammo to run the game plan. The scouting department, on the other hand, does not think the coaching staff is making enough in-game changes to utilize the players properly.
The result?
Per Rapoport, it is "unfathomable" to think both Pettine and general manager Ray Farmer will be back together next year.
At this point, it's obvious. The Browns are again broken and while many times the smartest football people will advocate for patience -- look at the rise of the Panthers, Bengals, Texans and even Jaguars -- the Browns are continuously trying to operate through a smog.
If there is this much pent up anger between both sides, it would be almost impossible to reach a consensus and with a draft right around the corner, the time should be now to make a move. This team almost had another two first-round picks, but could still very well end up with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 draft. These are crucial, irreversible decisions that will impact the franchise for decades.
Nobody is without fault here. On the field, Pettine's teams have lost 15 of their last 17 games. His on-field decisions have been puzzling at times and the hard-nosed, defensive mentality he promised the fans of Cleveland has yet to arrive. A rotating cast of promising power backs have come and gone, many of whom are backing up on other teams at the moment. Farmer signed the draft card on Justin Gilbert. At the the moment, he appears to have blown two consecutive drafts with two first-round picks, an unbelievable opportunity for a general manager to turn around the fate of the franchise. Instead of having Khalil Mack or Derek Carr or Sammy Watkins or Odell Beckham or, really, anyone from the first round of that loaded draft, the Browns have very little.
If the coach and general manager can't agree philosophically on the team's direction, someone -- or both -- have got to go.
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