Lets look at the D.....last year/this year
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Ok.....kinda worn out on all the group think about scheme, coaching and mis-using players, etc.....
Can we take an honest look at whats different this year, from last year?...cause to me, its one thing
PASS DEFENSE...thats it...the one BIG difference....(not scheme or coaching, which are the same)...
Last season, we had the #1 pass defense, which is the only reason we were in most of those games(plus the fact that we had an UBER easy schedule)....so........
- A good pass defense forces the QB to hold the ball.....and when he holds the ball, we get more time to rush the passer
- More time to rush means,,,more sacks....more hurries....and more bad(rushed) passes...
- And that means the defense gets interceptions...and interceptions stop the other team from scoring, and give our team EXTRA chances to score.....
- So....a bad pass defense will net less sacks, less interceptions, more yards thru the air, and more TD's thru the air......
Now.....lets looks at last years numbers compared to this years numbers.....shall we????
2014 2015
Passing yards: 224 ypg 262 ypg .....+17% increase.....(huge drop off)
Rushing yards: 141 ypg 136 ypg .....- 3.5% decrease...(slight improvement)
Passing TD's 1.3 pg 2.1 pg ......90% increase.......(huge drop off)
Rushing TD's: 1.0 pg 1.0 pg .......same...
Interceptions: 21(1.3 pg) 8.0(.6 pg).....50% decrease..... (huge drop off)
Sacks: 31(1.9 pg) 17(1.4 pg).....25% decrease......(huge drop off)...
Interesting stats is that the "team"(less Kruger) averaged 1.2 sacks this year AND last year, meaning that Kruger is really the only difference between this years sacks and last years sacks......
So...the same rushing yards, same rushing average, same rushing TD's......but way worse when we look at passing yards, passing TD's, interceptions and associated sacks....
And the D line and LB's have basically the EXACT sme numbers this year, as last year.....same tackles, same sacks, same rushing averages, same everything.....so, to say we've started to use them differently or have changed the scheme is a fallacy.....
The ONLY difference is the pass D....which has affected everything else......
And, its not due to a new scheme....or using the players differently.....its due to Haden and Gipson missing most of the season....and not playing well in the games they were here.....
Traymon has put up better #'s than Skrine and Donte has been his usual self.... BUT, Poyer, Gaines and Desir are NOT Gipson and Haden.....period.....
And, if your pass defense isnt up to snuff, good QB's will take advantage....and thats what happened......instead of getting run all over, this year we got sliced by Big Ben, Phillip Rivers, Andy Dalton(twice), Derek Carr, Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning.....so, that is 7 games that we lost to great QB's, who all saw what Im trying to spell out here......a team that could easily be passed on....
And they got us......Manning, Rivers and Carr all snatched a victory at the end, in games that we probably would have won last season.....with a better pass D.....
So.....to those that say we are worse because Kruger has to cover....or Oneill made bad calls.....or we changed the scheme.....or whatever your reason is.....I say BAH HUMBUG....
Its the pass D.....The numbers show it.....And, when we get our DB's back, it will change.....
And Iv shown, numerous times now, how Kruger and the other LB's are paying the same(yet people keep claiming otherwise) and the D line is actually a touch better......and NOW ive shown how the pass D failed and backed it with stats......so.....
If you disagree(which is cool)....PLEASE.....for almost the hundredth time.....someone show me where the scheme changed....or where all these mis-uses of players are occurring.....or where Oneill made all the "bad calls" I keep hearing about.....
Lastly....as mentioned on another thread....Id like people to consider that, while saying coaching is the reason these guys are playing poorly, people REFUSE to acknowledge that many of our players have had their best seasons under Pettine.....
Players who have had "career years" include....Barnidge, Schwartz, McCown, Benji, Gipson, Greco, Hawkins, Skrine and Kruger.....
Players who have maintained their level of play or gotten better since coming here, with no drop off from the previous year, include.....Lee, Starks, Traymon, Dansby, Whitner, Thomas, Haden, Bryant, Austin and Robertson ....
And young players we've brought in have also played well and developed, like.....Kirksey, Bito, Duke, Kwaun, Gabe, Orchard & Shelton....
So.....this year I see some injured guys who have dropped off....Haden, Gipson & Mack are 3 Pro-Bowlers who have not been themselves....but Im blaming injury, not the coach......
Kruger and Mingo have dropped off, but I blame the pass D, which I think was the main reason they did better last year.....
And Bito and Crow both seem to have suffered from the sophmore jinx.....but certainly not because of ONeill....right?......
So...there is my view....the pass D hurts everything.....But I dont see players getting worse......
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If all these guys have had career years under Pettine and the team still sucks, what does that say about the make up of the team
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It tells me we dont have the talent to win yet....
and even our best guys.....including those who have had career years, are still just slightly above average at best.....
And none are stars.....
And that some players can have "their" best year, and still be just ok.....
and when you only have 5 really good players.....and 3 of them go down....that you are screwed
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so we need a new person picking the players
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I'm glad I can still come here and find intelligent analyses like this and not just "sky is falling" hysteria. Thanks Mud.
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I'm glad I can still come here and find intelligent analyses like this and not just "sky is falling" hysteria. Thanks Mud.
I'm glad I can still come here and find intelligent analyses like this and not just "sky is falling" hysteria. Thanks Mud.
and thank YOU for reading and giving this perspective a chance...
Hope Haslem is doing his research too.......
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so we need a new person picking the players
Bingo!
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That about wraps the D-side up...
Now about our run game?
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Meh i just dont like the philosophy of the coaching scheme i like a nice simple aggressive defense up front. And a power run play action offense. Power run to to be confused with zone run. You know when jt pushed left and austin pushed right and made a hole for crow and he got 20 then 55 on the other side with john and mitch. Like mud i agree the talent could be higher than it is but instead of just bitching about. Wahh lack of talent waahh...i put it on each coach to maximize the talent we do have. If they fail then we get coaches who can maximize talents and hide weakness. Its ALOT simplier than its being made out to be. Today we ran a simplified running scheme with alot of draws,traps and power rather than zone we also threw more the the perimeter where john could see amd have clear throwing lanes.Defensively we played more designed plays rather than react plays. We gained the step we lost today and it was evident on the field. I didn't really see anything I liked out of manziel unfortunately still in the camp to get a replacement early in the draft. Good gamr and good on the coaching for finally simplifying the scheme today. Look for more of the same for the next 3 weeks
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Nice.
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Only problem is, CDS, you need to make a case that the talent is there.
On which play did Joe go left, etc.?
Crow's first run was straight ahead, drive blocking by all with an inside zone look...
His subsequent TD was a classic X with Joe right and Paz left...
His 2nd long run was on a trap by Greco with Joe and Paz both collapsing SF's RDE inside.
Crow's 2nd TD was an aggressive, inside ZBS.
Check it out...
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Superb analysis Mud! Thank you. Hopefully Haslem is seeing it too. Our Draft was rated highly last year so I presume with another good Draft and hopefully some decent free agency signings that will see us more competitive. Replacing/covering Haden seems high on the wish list.
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I'm glad I can still come here and find intelligent analyses like this and not just "sky is falling" hysteria. Thanks Mud.
I'm glad I can still come here and find intelligent analyses like this and not just "sky is falling" hysteria. Thanks Mud.
For most of the people who visit this board, the sky fell 6 weeks ago or more. But I'd rather read true analysis like what was posted there then the "fire everyone" and "this team sucks" every single day.
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Great analysis, Mud. And your work in recent weeks to shut up the slogan rhetoric has been heroic.
It seems to me that you're arguing for some roster turnover.
Any ideas for bang-for-buck (not money-wise, but where the biggest improvements that could be made in the fewest moves) changes that you think would pay high dividends?
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Great analysis, Mud. And your work in recent weeks to shut up the slogan rhetoric has been heroic.
It seems to me that you're arguing for some roster turnover.
Any ideas for bang-for-buck (not money-wise, but where the biggest improvements that could be made in the fewest moves) changes that you think would pay high dividends?
Great analysis, Mud. And your work in recent weeks to shut up the slogan rhetoric has been heroic.
It seems to me that you're arguing for some roster turnover.
Any ideas for bang-for-buck (not money-wise, but where the biggest improvements that could be made in the fewest moves) changes that you think would pay high dividends?
Given Mud's 'fondness' for pointing out Kruger's failings, outside linebacker would probably be at the top of the list
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Great analysis, Mud. And your work in recent weeks to shut up the slogan rhetoric has been heroic.
It seems to me that you're arguing for some roster turnover.
Any ideas for bang-for-buck (not money-wise, but where the biggest improvements that could be made in the fewest moves) changes that you think would pay high dividends?
Given Mud's 'fondness' for pointing out Kruger's failings, outside linebacker would probably be at the top of the list
Given Mud's 'fondness' for pointing out Kruger's failings, outside linebacker would probably be at the top of the list
Yes....true.....I admit it....
The guy couldnt possibly be any more under my skin than he is......it's just that I expect the 2nd highest paid defensive player to make an occasional tackle or something....
And, when he points fingers and blames others for his shortcomings, then it really burns me up extra.....especially when other less experienced back-up players step into his spot and produce more than double his numbers....every game....
And, any player who makes $8 mil a year, shouldnt go 7 out of 13 games with a zero stat line......
he's the Dwayne Bowe of our defense, except he puts up Bowe like #'s while playing 30 snaps a game....
Thats just really hard to ignore when your d sucks.....
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I read where the defensive line coach of the Browns came up with
a great pass rush plan for the niner game.
and. that last game sure seems to have been less clusterfook on
miscommunication, maybe even almost? none.
I know they aren't running on first down all the time anymore - maybe the
defense staff realized they had to quit being so micromanaging.
Something was really different about the way the players were playing, and it was great.
Sure seems like the coaches tried to fix what THEY were doing wrong.
Joe Haden could take on any wr in the NFL. Not so with the rest of the secondary. You can bet
A.J. Green and Antonio Brown did a happy dance when they realized that Haden was out. He
was the only guy they had who could play on an island with the best.
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I'm not saying you're wrong buddy.
Ha....I get it.....and you're right....I would draft OLB early for sure.....and sign a couple too....
It's looking like Von Miller is gonna be UFA....so, if were are gonna have one of the highest paid in the league,,,,,.he would be a much better look than Kruger.....especially at that price........
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