Jonathan Paul Manziel
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well good.....sounds like McCown is rubbing off on him.....now we have 2 QB's with no quit in them.....
Id say things are looking up for that group, compared to 2 or even 1 year ago.....
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well good.....sounds like McCown is rubbing off on him.....now we have 2 QB's with no quit in them.....
Id say things are looking up for that group, compared to 2 or even 1 year ago.....
well good.....sounds like McCown is rubbing off on him.....now we have 2 QB's with no quit in them.....
Id say things are looking up for that group, compared to 2 or even 1 year ago.....
Compared to Weeden, McCoy and Thad Lewis, we're doing pretty well.
Compared to Weeden, Campbell and Hoyer we're doing pretty well.
Compared to Hoyer, Manziel and Alex Tanney, we're doing pretty well.
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I think this is a chicken and egg argument.
But would I love it if Manziel became Cleveland's Cam Newton? Absolutely.
You can be an entertaining figure and not get shitfaced drunk and pop bottles. Some people here don't seem to think that's the case.
It's all about what Manziel wants to be.
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well good.....sounds like McCown is rubbing off on him.....now we have 2 QB's with no quit in them.....
Id say things are looking up for that group, compared to 2 or even 1 year ago.....
well good.....sounds like McCown is rubbing off on him.....now we have 2 QB's with no quit in them.....
Id say things are looking up for that group, compared to 2 or even 1 year ago.....
I agree with you. I want to see Johnny starting next year, with McCown backing him up. If we have the same coach and OC, that's a bit of continuity. I'm not saying we don't draft a QB, but we don't do it early. We also have Shaw coming back, who is a hard worker. I'm not getting out of my head with Johnny after one game, but I know I want to see more. And I'm not going to slam the guy if he struggles on the road at Seattle, on the road at K.C., or against the Steelers. Those are tough games, and I don't expect perfection. That being said, I do want to see improvement. Don't make that awful interception, don't take that awful sack against a 3 man rush, and run the ball a bit more.
What was that? Yep...I actually want him to run the ball MORE. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE that Manziel is making progress in the pocket and from under center, it's quite impressive. However, I feel like Manziel left some HUGE yards on the table yesterday. I know that running is a great way to get yourself hurt, but there were some running lanes that could've netted some big gains, and allowed him to slide. It's a very difficult line to straddle...make plays from the pocket...run the ball. It's a delicate balance, and he'll figure it out the more he plays, and the more he watches his film. His mouth will gape when he sees some of the running room. He did run for at least one really nice first down, but once he figures out when to run, and when to pass....LOOK OUT. Super mobile quarterbacks are especially dangerous in the red zone, and this is an area where we notoriously struggle. Once Johnny figures this part of the game out, defenses will be on their heels. We could run QB draws, bootlegs, or whatever.
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now THAT is priceless.
i don't think even the 'haters' (like myself) hate manziel. i just want him to prove to me, the media and to the world why he was worthy of our 1st round pick before he says he'll 'break the league (with his talent)' running around like a fool and doing the money sign as he gets run over by a linebacker.
wasn't able to see the game but met with a client where red zone was on and even THEY shied away from showing any manziel 'action'. i guess they've been burned too many times as well. but this club where i was at is notorious for being a 'legends' type sports club where their patrons know more about football than walter knows about sucking eggs. the first thing out of the old bartender's mouth seeing me walk in when the browns were already up by 7 was " johnny. the kids a millionaire. he needs rehab and a bodyguard. i'd tell my bodyguard to knock me out if went out and started to fuck up!" etc. etc. to which i said "maybe he should just stay home in his mansion and stay out of the spotlight"(which i've said from day one).
glad the browns won. maybe manziel IS the guy? who knows? but in sports i'll take young over old any day. showing improvement is another check on the list. but to say right this second that he is the franchise QB of the browns going forward is a stretch. BUT continue to show improvement against the tougher opponents and he WILL earn trust and respect from even his most hating of the haters.
but his performance wasn't the biggest thing to happen in our division yesterday.....
mccarron sucks bags. how can anyone (FO) trust anything that comes out of alabama anymore?
Oh, I don't know. CJ Mosely, Marcell Dareus, Eddie Lacy, TJ Yeldon, Rolando McClain, Mark Barron, James Carpenter, Jalston Fowler, Amari Cooper, Kareem Jackson, Mark Ingram, Julio Jones, Dre Kirkpatrick, Andre Smith, Courtney Upshaw, Chance Warmack? Far as I know they're all starting and range from average to elite. No one expected McCarron to be worth anything in the NFL, for the most part.
Oh, I don't know. CJ Mosely, Marcell Dareus, Eddie Lacy, TJ Yeldon, Rolando McClain, Mark Barron, James Carpenter, Jalston Fowler, Amari Cooper, Kareem Jackson, Mark Ingram, Julio Jones, Dre Kirkpatrick, Andre Smith, Courtney Upshaw, Chance Warmack? Far as I know they're all starting and range from average to elite. No one expected McCarron to be worth anything in the NFL, for the most part.
fuck alabama and the SEC.
how's that? hear that? good enough for ya?
here's our luck with alabama players as of recent: trent richardson.
drops mic, walks away.
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Oh, I don't know. CJ Mosely, Marcell Dareus, Eddie Lacy, TJ Yeldon, Rolando McClain, Mark Barron, James Carpenter, Jalston Fowler, Amari Cooper, Kareem Jackson, Mark Ingram, Julio Jones, Dre Kirkpatrick, Andre Smith, Courtney Upshaw, Chance Warmack? Far as I know they're all starting and range from average to elite. No one expected McCarron to be worth anything in the NFL, for the most part.
fuck alabama and the SEC.
how's that? hear that? good enough for ya?
here's our luck with alabama players as of recent: trent richardson.
drops mic, walks away.
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during.
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I was against the signing of McCown this offseason. Saw him as being old, washed-up and not bringing with him the intangibles that we were being told he possessed. He was a born backup with a lot of losses on his resume and added to a losing culture.
I was wrong.
The guy played with guts and skill and helped the team score despite not having a good receiving crew and not having a running game. I have no doubt he's a big part of the reason that Manziel has progressed so much from last season to now. I couldn't have possibly asked for more from him or anyone else we would have signed in that position in the offseason. I like that he's going to be around next year.
I really hope however, that Manziel continues to show this progress. I loved seeing him angry after that interception and how he responded to it. I think he's finding a balance to his pocket game and his ability to extend plays. Teams have to fully collapse that pocket in order to get at him and I think their game plan is a lot less confident with Johnny under center.
And the biggest thing? Yes. The team I believe has a different energy when he's the guy at the helm. These next few games are going to be tough as hell and I don't expect wins. But I would love it if Manziel shows the ability to make these teams "miss" as it were... To help the Browns play more competitively than we've seen for much of the season.
I'm not confident with him as the present -> future franchise quarterback for the Browns. But I am warming up to the idea.
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Angry Johnny Manziel smacks himself in the head with a tablet
^^^^^^ This is what I liked seeing on the sidelines...some passion. When the cameras panned on Manziel on the sidelines I saw a player who was determined to win this game and lead the team to victory.
Angry Johnny Manziel smacks himself in the head with a tablet
^^^^^^ This is what I liked seeing on the sidelines...some passion. When the cameras panned on Manziel on the sidelines I saw a player who was determined to win this game and lead the team to victory.
This is passion in a good way. He clearly was pissed off at himself for making a mistake. Good on him.
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Manziel is playing great. But seriously. Where has this running game been? It's opening up the entire field and keeping our defense well rested.
That running game is more effective when Johnny plays....Interesting, hunh? The Johnny haters won't like to hear this, but I don't think it's just coincidence. That kid MAKES things happen!
Mike
That running game is more effective when Johnny plays....Interesting, hunh? The Johnny haters won't like to hear this, but I don't think it's just coincidence. That kid MAKES things happen!
Mike
You and mud are getting too damned optimistic. LOL!
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Scrambling cannot be the only useful part of a QB's game
Oh it can be.............. for a game or two. Those QBs that rely on that as a major part of their game all have one thing in common - the "ex" - in front of 'ex-NFL Starting QB'.
Oh it can be.............. for a game or two. Those QBs that rely on that as a major part of their game all have one thing in common - the "ex" - in front of 'ex-NFL Starting QB'.
Yeah like Ex-QB's Staubach and Tarkenton.
But seriously he stood in nearly every single snap (other than the quick hitters) going through his progressions. Some QB's have that internal clock then go off and throw the ball away. But some have that same clock go off and look for play extension while still looking for receivers. That is what we have in JM. At some point he will add the "throwaway" to his repertoire as the 3rd and last option. That day is not far off in my opinion. When JM starts beating a bad play into his head with his tablet, it usually sticks.
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Oh, I don't know. CJ Mosely, Marcell Dareus, Eddie Lacy, TJ Yeldon, Rolando McClain, Mark Barron, James Carpenter, Jalston Fowler, Amari Cooper, Kareem Jackson, Mark Ingram, Julio Jones, Dre Kirkpatrick, Andre Smith, Courtney Upshaw, Chance Warmack? Far as I know they're all starting and range from average to elite. No one expected McCarron to be worth anything in the NFL, for the most part.
fuck alabama and the SEC.
how's that? hear that? good enough for ya?
here's our luck with alabama players as of recent: trent richardson.
drops mic, walks away.
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when you want this team to win they lose, when you want them to lose to get a higher draft pick after a busted season, they win. Complete and utter faggots this team is composed of
Like we have progressed so much with the higher draft pics right kimchee breath?
Put your head in an oven, Sylvia. The team won. Enjoy the victory or bitch somewhere else.
now THAT is priceless.
i don't think even the 'haters' (like myself) hate manziel. i just want him to prove to me, the media and to the world why he was worthy of our 1st round pick before he says he'll 'break the league (with his talent)' running around like a fool and doing the money sign as he gets run over by a linebacker.
wasn't able to see the game but met with a client where red zone was on and even THEY shied away from showing any manziel 'action'. i guess they've been burned too many times as well. but this club where i was at is notorious for being a 'legends' type sports club where their patrons know more about football than walter knows about sucking eggs. the first thing out of the old bartender's mouth seeing me walk in when the browns were already up by 7 was " johnny. the kids a millionaire. he needs rehab and a bodyguard. i'd tell my bodyguard to knock me out if went out and started to fuck up!" etc. etc. to which i said "maybe he should just stay home in his mansion and stay out of the spotlight"(which i've said from day one).
glad the browns won. maybe manziel IS the guy? who knows? but in sports i'll take young over old any day. showing improvement is another check on the list. but to say right this second that he is the franchise QB of the browns going forward is a stretch. BUT continue to show improvement against the tougher opponents and he WILL earn trust and respect from even his most hating of the haters.
but his performance wasn't the biggest thing to happen in our division yesterday.....
mccarron sucks bags. how can anyone (FO) trust anything that comes out of alabama anymore?
i don't think even the 'haters' (like myself) hate manziel. i just want him to prove to me, the media and to the world why he was worthy of our 1st round pick before he says he'll 'break the league (with his talent)' running around like a fool and doing the money sign as he gets run over by a linebacker.
mccarron sucks bags. how can anyone (FO) trust anything that comes out of alabama anymore?
1. That's my kind of "hate".
2. Leave my 2014 dark-horse alone.
The most impressive aspect of Manziel's performance Sunday to me was that he was PREPARED.
Do you realize how low that bar is for an NFL starter?
Looked to me like he would scrunch his body up at the end of every throw in anticipation of a hit. I assume that has an effect on follow through of the throw. Other than that, pretty nice performance.
Early everything was fine... bounced on toes in pocket and stepped into throws. But sometime in Q2 he began stepping "in the bucket" and anticipating pressure that sometimes was not there.
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Manziel has improved dramatically IN SPITE of daddy Pettine.
Manziel has improved dramatically IN SPITE of daddy Pettine.
A guy with a trump avatar being bombastic...credibility, check.
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well good.....sounds like McCown is rubbing off on him.....now we have 2 QB's with no quit in them.....
Id say things are looking up for that group, compared to 2 or even 1 year ago.....
I agree with you. I want to see Johnny starting next year, with McCown backing him up. If we have the same coach and OC, that's a bit of continuity. I'm not saying we don't draft a QB, but we don't do it early. We also have Shaw coming back, who is a hard worker. I'm not getting out of my head with Johnny after one game, but I know I want to see more. And I'm not going to slam the guy if he struggles on the road at Seattle, on the road at K.C., or against the Steelers. Those are tough games, and I don't expect perfection. That being said, I do want to see improvement. Don't make that awful interception, don't take that awful sack against a 3 man rush, and run the ball a bit more.
What was that? Yep...I actually want him to run the ball MORE. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE that Manziel is making progress in the pocket and from under center, it's quite impressive. However, I feel like Manziel left some HUGE yards on the table yesterday. I know that running is a great way to get yourself hurt, but there were some running lanes that could've netted some big gains, and allowed him to slide. It's a very difficult line to straddle...make plays from the pocket...run the ball. It's a delicate balance, and he'll figure it out the more he plays, and the more he watches his film. His mouth will gape when he sees some of the running room. He did run for at least one really nice first down, but once he figures out when to run, and when to pass....LOOK OUT. Super mobile quarterbacks are especially dangerous in the red zone, and this is an area where we notoriously struggle. Once Johnny figures this part of the game out, defenses will be on their heels. We could run QB draws, bootlegs, or whatever.
I agree with you. I want to see Johnny starting next year, with McCown backing him up.
I want to see our franchise QB on the roster. If that turns out to be JM... great. If not, great...
In either case, if we have our future franchise QB in pocket, then it does not matter who starts.
Angry Johnny Manziel smacks himself in the head with a tablet
Yup... nothing like extending a lack of impulse control to the field to say, "I'm your future franchise."
Sorry, but that was out of control. JM was lucky he did not split his forehead open*. JM was lucky he had McC next to him to explain that there were 11 guys in white jerseys out there trying to hurt him.... he did not need to help them.
*Edit: Did just see a reply and showed he had a cap on... and the stitched logo did provide a little padding.
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That running game is more effective when Johnny plays....Interesting, hunh? The Johnny haters won't like to hear this, but I don't think it's just coincidence. That kid MAKES things happen!
Mike
You and mud are getting too damned optimistic. LOL!
You and mud are getting too damned optimistic. LOL!
Hahaha.....I can fix that.....see below....
Yeah like Ex-QB's Staubach and Tarkenton.
But seriously he stood in nearly every single snap (other than the quick hitters) going through his progressions. Some QB's have that internal clock then go off and throw the ball away. But some have that same clock go off and look for play extension while still looking for receivers. That is what we have in JM. At some point he will add the "throwaway" to his repertoire as the 3rd and last option. That day is not far off in my opinion. When JM starts beating a bad play into his head with his tablet, it usually sticks.
He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
I gotta say there were some very very scary runs too......in fact, twice(2 times) he ran 30 freaking yards the wrong way.....and almost got crushed both times...plus also had a very near safety.....so, he really really needs to play smarter and realize his feet can hurt us as much as they can help....
So, he needs to avoid canceling the good runs with bad runs......as good as he runs, McCown still averages more per rush....and Id say the difference is that he ....1) dumps the ball faster and more often....and 2) avoids those backwards runs.....
BUT....I see where this is going and Im down.....I think if Johnny keeps getting better(and I believe he will), then he can be the guy...
A couple more games, on par with this, probably buys him a starting job......somewhere....and hopefully its here, if he keeps it together
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I agree with you. I want to see Johnny starting next year, with McCown backing him up.
I want to see our franchise QB on the roster. If that turns out to be JM... great. If not, great...
In either case, if we have our future franchise QB in pocket, then it does not matter who starts.
Angry Johnny Manziel smacks himself in the head with a tablet
Yup... nothing like extending a lack of impulse control to the field to say, "I'm your future franchise."
Sorry, but that was out of control. JM was lucky he did not split his forehead open*. JM was lucky he had McC next to him to explain that there were 11 guys in white jerseys out there trying to hurt him.... he did not need to help them.
*Edit: Did just see a reply and showed he had a cap on... and the stitched logo did provide a little padding.
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And what percentage, exactly, ARE from outside of the pocket for those?
10%.
Scrambling cannot be the only useful part of a QB's game.
You're an idiot.
You're an idiot.
Lol says the guy that basically told Johnny manziel's cock out of his mouth long enough to tell us that he's the god future of Cleveland. and for basically doing nothing but beating the equivalent of the Browns reflection in the mirror.
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I don't think Manziel was in any danger of going through a concussion protocol when he smacked the tablet on his forehead as the worst outcome was at most a broken tablet but I did like the fire I saw from him on the sideline which I will take every day of the week as compared to this...^^^^^
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I don't think Manziel was in any danger of going through a concussion protocol when he smacked the tablet on his forehead as the worst outcome was at most a broken tablet but I did like the fire I saw from him on the sideline which I will take every day of the week as compared to this...^^^^^
I don't think Manziel was in any danger of going through a concussion protocol when he smacked the tablet on his forehead as the worst outcome was at most a broken tablet but I did like the fire I saw from him on the sideline which I will take every day of the week as compared to this...^^^^^
Well, that was Hoyer gagging it up....and JFF only laughed in response to what he said.....so, why the shit for Johnny and none for Hoyers?
And Kyle Shanahan? Boy he is doing a stellar job. He has Matt Ryan so fucked up he can't think straight.
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