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  • Why is it a given that Pet and Farmer cannot co-exist?

  • Why is it a given that Pet and Farmer cannot co-exist?

    @tour2ma said:

    Why is it a given that Pet and Farmer cannot co-exist?

    Who knows, who cares.....they have co-existed together for a mutual end: To have the Browns suck. Mission Accomplished.

    Now get rid of them.

  • Cares? Besides me?

    Maybe the guy who was a proponent of installing a POFO?

  • Why is it a given that Pet and Farmer cannot co-exist?

    @tour2ma said:

    Why is it a given that Pet and Farmer cannot co-exist?

    Well.. If you believe some reports... That Pet and Farmer have "Issues".. Then it makes sense not to keep them together..Pet was not Farmers choice to start with.....

  • Cares? Besides me?

    Maybe the guy who was a proponent of installing a POFO?

    @tour2ma said:

    Cares? Besides me?

    Maybe the guy who was a proponent of installing a POFO?

    Yea, we need a POFO......and one who probably also care whether or not these two can get along....as one or both would be gone.

  • @tour2ma said:

    Why is it a given that Pet and Farmer cannot co-exist?

    Well.. If you believe some reports... That Pet and Farmer have "Issues".. Then it makes sense not to keep them together..Pet was not Farmers choice to start with.....

    @nickers said:

    Well.. If you believe some reports... That Pet and Farmer have "Issues".. Then it makes sense not to keep them together..Pet was not Farmers choice to start with.....

    but he was Haslem choice and no one else's
  • In a nutshell this article explains why the Browns will never win...until it stops hitting the RESET BUTTON every other year.

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    This clip from Mike & Mike on ESPN says it perfectly -----> http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14311216

    This state the Browns have been in since 1999 is not a player issue, IT"S THE WHOLE DAMN FRANCHISE. Three different owners who weren't equipped enough to manage a Burger King, 7 different GMs, 8 Head Coaches, 24 starting quarterbacks....Dear God!!!

    And people wonder why we can't get to .500, why we can't beat Pittsburgh. Newsflash: the Steelers are worlds apart on how to run a successful sports franchise, so are Baltimore and Cincinnati.

    So when people ask when will things start changing for the Browns my response is...When things stop changing with the Browns (i.e. consistency)

  • @nickers said:

    Well.. If you believe some reports... That Pet and Farmer have "Issues".. Then it makes sense not to keep them together..Pet was not Farmers choice to start with.....

    but he was Haslem choice and no one else's

    @richiswhere said:

    but he was Haslem choice and no one else's

    Wasn't Farmer assistant GM when Pettine was hired?

  • I think Gordon gets it.

    Gordon for All-Pro 2016.

    I really don't think anyone who's an out-of-control partyer would do anything that link presents.. In poker, that's a tell.

  • In a nutshell this article explains why the Browns will never win...until it stops hitting the RESET BUTTON every other year.

    SzqkjmM.jpg

    This clip from Mike & Mike on ESPN says it perfectly -----> http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14311216

    This state the Browns have been in since 1999 is not a player issue, IT"S THE WHOLE DAMN FRANCHISE. Three different owners who weren't equipped enough to manage a Burger King, 7 different GMs, 8 Head Coaches, 24 starting quarterbacks....Dear God!!!

    And people wonder why we can't get to .500, why we can't beat Pittsburgh. Newsflash: the Steelers are worlds apart on how to run a successful sports franchise, so are Baltimore and Cincinnati.

    So when people ask when will things start changing for the Browns my response is...When things stop changing with the Browns (i.e. consistency)

    @go-losers said:

    In a nutshell this article explains why the Browns will never win...until it stops hitting the RESET BUTTON every other year.

    SzqkjmM.jpg

    This clip from Mike & Mike on ESPN says it perfectly -----> http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14311216

    This state the Browns have been in since 1999 is not a player issue, IT"S THE WHOLE DAMN FRANCHISE. Three different owners who weren't equipped enough to manage a Burger King, 7 different GMs, 8 Head Coaches, 24 starting quarterbacks....Dear God!!!

    And people wonder why we can't get to .500, why we can't beat Pittsburgh. Newsflash: the Steelers are worlds apart on how to run a successful sports franchise, so are Baltimore and Cincinnati.

    So when people ask when will things start changing for the Browns my response is...When things stop changing with the Browns (i.e. consistency)

    So......your way is to stick with guys that are totally inept in their jobs. Check.

  • @tour2ma said:

    Cares? Besides me?

    Maybe the guy who was a proponent of installing a POFO?

    Yea, we need a POFO......and one who probably also care whether or not these two can get along....as one or both would be gone.

    @the-gipper said:

    Yea, we need a POFO......and one who probably also care whether or not these two can get along....as one or both would be gone.

    Or he'd mediate their disagreements thus ensuring communication is occurring and use their competitiveness to advantage.

    The idea that people who do not "get along" can't work together is ludicrous. Add that the source of the tension is the disappointment of their combined output and each has a stake in the perception of that combined result, and the strain is understandable.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Yea, we need a POFO......and one who probably also care whether or not these two can get along....as one or both would be gone.

    Or he'd mediate their disagreements thus ensuring communication is occurring and use their competitiveness to advantage.

    The idea that people who do not "get along" can't work together is ludicrous. Add that the source of the tension is the disappointment of their combined output and each has a stake in the perception of that combined result, and the strain is understandable.

    @tour2ma said:

    Or he'd mediate their disagreements thus ensuring communication is occurring and use their competitiveness to advantage.

    Sure....he would do that....if he kept both guys on....but I would not really see that happening if a POFO were hired.

    The idea that people who do not "get along" can't work together is ludicrous.

    I agree.....and I don't think that these guys "not getting along" is the reason this team has done poorly. They could have been singing Kumbaya together and still done very poorly.

    Add that the source of the tension is the disappointment of their combined output and each has a stake in the perception of that combined result, and the strain is understandable.

    If they had won more games....they would have reduced the strain.

    Games were not won because of their poor personnel choices and poor coaching tactics.....not because they didn't get along.

  • @go-losers said:

    In a nutshell this article explains why the Browns will never win...until it stops hitting the RESET BUTTON every other year.

    SzqkjmM.jpg

    This clip from Mike & Mike on ESPN says it perfectly -----> http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14311216

    This state the Browns have been in since 1999 is not a player issue, IT"S THE WHOLE DAMN FRANCHISE. Three different owners who weren't equipped enough to manage a Burger King, 7 different GMs, 8 Head Coaches, 24 starting quarterbacks....Dear God!!!

    And people wonder why we can't get to .500, why we can't beat Pittsburgh. Newsflash: the Steelers are worlds apart on how to run a successful sports franchise, so are Baltimore and Cincinnati.

    So when people ask when will things start changing for the Browns my response is...When things stop changing with the Browns (i.e. consistency)

    So......your way is to stick with guys that are totally inept in their jobs. Check.

    @the-gipper said:

    So......your way is to stick with guys that are totally inept in their jobs. Check.

    That's like arguing if the chicken or the egg came first. How do we even know about these guys when the Browns never give them a chance to develop.

  • @the-gipper said:

    So......your way is to stick with guys that are totally inept in their jobs. Check.

    That's like arguing if the chicken or the egg came first. How do we even know about these guys when the Browns never give them a chance to develop.

    @go-losers said:

    That's like arguing if the chicken or the egg came first. How do we even know about these guys when the Browns never give them a chance to develop.

    No argument...it was the rooster!

  • @go-losers said:

    That's like arguing if the chicken or the egg came first. How do we even know about these guys when the Browns never give them a chance to develop.

    No argument...it was the rooster!

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    No argument...it was the rooster!

    Who fucked us all.

  • @go-losers said:

    That's like arguing if the chicken or the egg came first. How do we even know about these guys when the Browns never give them a chance to develop.

    No argument...it was the rooster!

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    No argument...it was the rooster!

    You Sir, have earned a beer and a smile

  • They need Farmer to do a better job. Period.

  • What are we even debating?

    Things aren't going to get better.

    This franchise is a joke...

  • I think Gordon gets it.

    Gordon for All-Pro 2016.

    I really don't think anyone who's an out-of-control partyer would do anything that link presents.. In poker, that's a tell.

    @unsympathetic said:

    I think Gordon gets it.

    Gordon for All-Pro 2016.

    I really don't think anyone who's an out-of-control partyer would do anything that link presents.. In poker, that's a tell.

    "{Nice turn for this talented but troubled player. I have always said that those with immense talent, skill and creativity are often the most troubled and tortured people. Different side if this guy we never knew. Hope he makes it back to the field but more importantly, hope he makes it in life, straight-up. Many times, we have to fail at one thing before we find our path in another. Who knows what this may bring? Nice story..."

    That's from the link- I liked his photoshop of my favorite villain Pete Rose- he does have some talent there. How many artists (painters, musicians) were druggies? A lot? Goes with the territory.

    In Josh's case, no news regarding drug issues is good news. Man, if he can hang out in clubs and not drink, I'm impressed.