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  • How many wins does Wilson have? 50? How many wins do the Browns have?

    @opal312 said:

    How many wins does Wilson have? 50? How many wins do the Browns have?

    Seahawks 44-17 with Wilson in regular season, 6-2 in the playoffs

  • fuck russell wilson and anyone here sucking his dick.

    i'd take alex smith over wilson any day.

    wilson isn't even top 5.

  • fuck russell wilson and anyone here sucking his dick.

    i'd take alex smith over wilson any day.

    wilson isn't even top 5.

    @miktoxic said:

    fuck russell wilson and anyone here sucking his dick.

    i'd take alex smith over wilson any day.

    wilson isn't even top 5.

    So you're trolling right? There's literally no way you can be serious.

  • i'm dead serious. alex smith smokes russell wilson in every aspect of the game and we should have signed HIM when he was a FA.

  • @miktoxic said:

    fuck russell wilson and anyone here sucking his dick.

    i'd take alex smith over wilson any day.

    wilson isn't even top 5.

    So you're trolling right? There's literally no way you can be serious.

    @jrb12711 said:

    So you're trolling right? There's literally no way you can be serious.

    Mik off his meds again

  • @flugel said:

    Especially when he said he and Farmer had a great working relationship or when he said he gave Johnny permission to go to Las Vegas (after saying he was going above and beyond the expectations early on in 2014). There's been a lot of things he's said that got conveniently forgotten over time by some.

    He's got some big time fans in here for some reason considering we only have 3 wins in 13 games. At the onset of last week's game Quinn announced our running game ranked 32nd (even if PFF says it's very productive). Our defense ranks 32 regardless of how thick the excuse list (we're suddenly the only NFL team with injuries). We ranked last in points allowed and many other defensive categories. If anyone adores our Special Teams play throughout the year - we will have also found an imagination great than fictional writer Stephen King. A 32nd ranked SF offense QBed be the Blaine Gabbert counting on a RB not good enough for our 32nd ranked running game S.Draughns is just what the doctor ordered for at least 1 week. A nice calm before the storm of opponents in a playoff hunt; but we're still doing bad enough to compete for the first pick overall in 2016 right?

    While I don't like changing head coaches every other year - what reasons for optimism do I have for Pettine? What facet of the game improved? I wish 100% of all this was Farmer's fault and we had the next version of Vince Lombardi ready to break out of 2 handcuffs once Farmer was given his walking papers. That's a lot of wishing for 1 quick solution. If you can't run the ball or stop the run - you become exactly what your record says you are despite what PFF's patriots want to argue otherwise. All that said, I'm told the best reason Pettine has earned tenure is because guys like Chris Palmer, Pat Shurmur and Chud sucked so no use trying. What a way to give Ghoolie company watching the Hallmark Channel on Sundays.

    To Me.. Pettine is a nice guy.. I like the man.. But I never once got the sense that this guy was "Must have" as a coach...

    @nickers said:

    To Me.. Pettine is a nice guy.. I like the man.. But I never once got the sense that this guy was "Must have" as a coach...

    True....but if he gets canned, prepare for another Pettine-like coach.

    Who is going to come here? The "hot" coordinators like Gase & McDaniels turned us down before.

    Pettine isn't great by any means, but the Browns still go after it. I haven't seen a mail-in job yet, that's a credit to the coach IMHO.

  • @jrb12711 said:

    So you're trolling right? There's literally no way you can be serious.

    Mik off his meds again

    @baconhound said:

    Mik off his meds again

    put up smith's #'s compared to wilson to date this year.

  • JFF had great game. Pettines defense sucked ass again, as did OL.

  • @baconhound said:

    Mik off his meds again

    put up smith's #'s compared to wilson to date this year.

    @miktoxic said:

    put up smith's #'s compared to wilson to date this year.

    TDs were 26 to 15 in favor of Wilson going into today, c'mon Mik these are even close.

  • @miktoxic said:

    put up smith's #'s compared to wilson to date this year.

    TDs were 26 to 15 in favor of Wilson going into today, c'mon Mik these are even close.

    @baconhound said:

    TDs were 26 to 15 in favor of Wilson going into today, c'mon Mik these are even close.

    I honestly can't believe some people on this board. I'm all for some good debate put people say stuff that is literally baffling. Yeah, a guy who is the future of the league and has been to two super bowls is less sought after than a career game manager. That totally adds up.

  • Brady Rodgers Wilson, so not top tier if the first tier is Brady and Rodgers

    @baconhound said:

    Brady Rodgers Wilson, so not top tier if the first tier is Brady and Rodgers

    So you take Wilson over all the rest?

    WSS

  • Going into this year, it seemed Brady, Rogers, Manning, and Brees had the top tier locked up with the three R's, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Romo in the 2nd tier. Manning has slid an unholy amount. Brees is probably at least one tier back now. Romo has a big ole question mark. Roethlisberger, IMO, has moved into the first tier. Palmer has as well. Your top tier QBs are Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Palmer.

  • @nickers said:

    To Me.. Pettine is a nice guy.. I like the man.. But I never once got the sense that this guy was "Must have" as a coach...

    True....but if he gets canned, prepare for another Pettine-like coach.

    Who is going to come here? The "hot" coordinators like Gase & McDaniels turned us down before.

    Pettine isn't great by any means, but the Browns still go after it. I haven't seen a mail-in job yet, that's a credit to the coach IMHO.

    @bob806 said:

    True....but if he gets canned, prepare for another Pettine-like coach.

    Who is going to come here? The "hot" coordinators like Gase & McDaniels turned us down before.

    Pettine isn't great by any means, but the Browns still go after it. I haven't seen a mail-in job yet, that's a credit to the coach IMHO.

    Yeah, let's let all the other teams go after this year's versions of Zimmer, Arians, Payton, Del Rio, Reid because forfeiting football games by allowing over 30 points in all of our last 6 losses is wonderful. Great point.

    Ohio State fans used to want John Cooper gone when he lost 1-2 games every year - we're 3-16 in our last 19 games and we gotta stick with Pettine. What did sticking with a nice guy like Romeo longer than we should have got us?

    Today, I feel like I'm reading people describing a youth football team, not to be confused with PRO football team. They tried hard.I'll even had they displayed wonderful sportsmanship.

    Maybe if Gruden covered ALL of our games - we'd get more people to question the type of tackling and pathetic defense we're watching. And NO I don't want Gruden, Cowher or any other guys that are happily retired. I'm just saying we can watch history repeat itself every week and it's not until Gruden covers our game that it gets to "hey, we might want to do something about this." Ya think?

  • Going into this year, it seemed Brady, Rogers, Manning, and Brees had the top tier locked up with the three R's, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Romo in the 2nd tier. Manning has slid an unholy amount. Brees is probably at least one tier back now. Romo has a big ole question mark. Roethlisberger, IMO, has moved into the first tier. Palmer has as well. Your top tier QBs are Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Palmer.

    Gruden? Yeah, all it would take is a few more "Ya gotta make that tackle, Mike,' or "Ya gotta make that block, Mike," comments to convince us Pop Warner fans.

    @wargograw said:

    Going into this year, it seemed Brady, Rogers, Manning, and Brees had the top tier locked up with the three R's, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Romo in the 2nd tier. Manning has slid an unholy amount. Brees is probably at least one tier back now. Romo has a big ole question mark. Roethlisberger, IMO, has moved into the first tier. Palmer has as well. Your top tier QBs are Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Palmer.

    Big Ben has been there all along...

    Brees may well still be there, but his supporting cast has evaporated.

    Torn on Palmer... talent is there, but it is also all around him... need a little more time at his high level.

    We can debate Romo's tier some other time... 😉

  • @miktoxic said:

    put up smith's #'s compared to wilson to date this year.

    TDs were 26 to 15 in favor of Wilson going into today, c'mon Mik these are even close.

    @baconhound said:

    TDs were 26 to 15 in favor of Wilson going into today, c'mon Mik these are even close.

    hey. you were right. i just looked at the numbers. i was way off.

    i'm not someone who sits around and looks at stats. i know what i like and i don't like midget QBs, sorry.

    @jrb12711 said:

    I honestly can't believe some people on this board. I'm all for some good debate put people say stuff that is literally baffling. Yeah, a guy who is the future of the league and has been to two super bowls is less sought after than a career game manager. That totally adds up.

    HA!! you're a bitch. go fuck yourself.

  • @baconhound said:

    Brady Rodgers Wilson, so not top tier if the first tier is Brady and Rodgers

    So you take Wilson over all the rest?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So you take Wilson over all the rest?

    WSS

    I would.

  • @baconhound said:

    TDs were 26 to 15 in favor of Wilson going into today, c'mon Mik these are even close.

    hey. you were right. i just looked at the numbers. i was way off.

    i'm not someone who sits around and looks at stats. i know what i like and i don't like midget QBs, sorry.

    @jrb12711 said:

    I honestly can't believe some people on this board. I'm all for some good debate put people say stuff that is literally baffling. Yeah, a guy who is the future of the league and has been to two super bowls is less sought after than a career game manager. That totally adds up.

    HA!! you're a bitch. go fuck yourself.

    @miktoxic said:

    HA!! you're a bitch. go fuck yourself.

    The mark of an educated and well rounded man indeed.

  • Gruden? Yeah, all it would take is a few more "Ya gotta make that tackle, Mike,' or "Ya gotta make that block, Mike," comments to convince us Pop Warner fans.

    @wargograw said:

    Going into this year, it seemed Brady, Rogers, Manning, and Brees had the top tier locked up with the three R's, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Romo in the 2nd tier. Manning has slid an unholy amount. Brees is probably at least one tier back now. Romo has a big ole question mark. Roethlisberger, IMO, has moved into the first tier. Palmer has as well. Your top tier QBs are Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Palmer.

    Big Ben has been there all along...

    Brees may well still be there, but his supporting cast has evaporated.

    Torn on Palmer... talent is there, but it is also all around him... need a little more time at his high level.

    We can debate Romo's tier some other time... 😉

    @tour2ma said:

    Gruden? Yeah, all it would take is a few more "Ya gotta make that tackle, Mike,' or "Ya gotta make that block, Mike," comments to convince us Pop Warner fans.

    Big Ben has been there all along...

    Brees may well still be there, but his supporting cast has evaporated.

    Torn on Palmer... talent is there, but it is also all around him... need a little more time at his high level.

    We can debate Romo's tier some other time... 😉

    What supporting cast is gone re: Brees? Obviously Graham is gone but they've added receivers and backs. I won't claim to know the status of his line.

    I never really saw Ben in the conversation with those other 4 until this year, but I'm wholly willing to acknowledge the possibility I haven't paid enough attention.

  • Yeah....as much as I hate Ben and the Stools, I definitely have him as one of my 3 elites.....Brady and Rodgers too.....

    Thats all I have.....3 elites.....

  • @tour2ma said:

    Gruden? Yeah, all it would take is a few more "Ya gotta make that tackle, Mike,' or "Ya gotta make that block, Mike," comments to convince us Pop Warner fans.

    Big Ben has been there all along...

    Brees may well still be there, but his supporting cast has evaporated.

    Torn on Palmer... talent is there, but it is also all around him... need a little more time at his high level.

    We can debate Romo's tier some other time... 😉

    What supporting cast is gone re: Brees? Obviously Graham is gone but they've added receivers and backs. I won't claim to know the status of his line.

    I never really saw Ben in the conversation with those other 4 until this year, but I'm wholly willing to acknowledge the possibility I haven't paid enough attention.

    @wargograw said:

    What supporting cast is gone re: Brees? Obviously Graham is gone but they've added receivers and backs. I won't claim to know the status of his line.

    Start with no D as displayed last night. O-line is a patchwork at present. Add the 27th ranked rushing attack... and Ingram had a likely 1000-yd year before going on IR.

    WR corps did add Cooks in 2014 to Colston, but Sneed is their #3... nice little player, but... Kenny Stills was their top WR last season, but was traded to the Fins for Dannell Ellerbe (LB) and a 3rd.

    Still... Brees heads the #1 Passing Offense in the league, but playing from behind early and a lot does tend to pad the passing stats.