Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Thanks mud for proving my point on benji.
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"allegedly drinking a Four Loko." These words in the story include a link...to a twitter post...which is a link...to this article. What?
"allegedly drinking a Four Loko." These words in the story include a link...to a twitter post...which is a link...to this article. What?
What is that? Like Lemonade or something?
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I guess... What I see is in this forum are men pulling out their "I'm-still-in-5th-Grade" card and tossing around 5th grade insults at objectivity or opinions that differ from certain people on this forum.
If anyone says something that is not popular, immediate name calling and insults ensues. This is a good forum, fun at times, but damn it can be tiring when a decent thread turns into playground insult contest.
I just re-read the thread and, honestly, no one is really calling anyone names or attacking anyones opinion directly.....xcept TCPO, who went after Zombos opinion, which started some back and forth, name calling, childish shit.....(buts thats it)
The rest of us???......just posting our football opinions about Johnny and how he played.....and a bunch of Johnny defenders disagreeing....but no name calling, etc.....
Name one receiver we have had since '99 that has helped us.
I can name a bunch.....in fact....8 out of the top 10 seasons for a Browns WR have happened since 1999....
Winslow, Josh Gordon, Kevin Johnson, Braylon Edwards, Jordan Cameron, Gary Barnidge and Antonio Bryant are all in the top 10 Browns seasons for # of catches.....
because compared to what we have had since 99, he's a pot of gold.
....and in terms of yards....Josh Gordon & Braylon Edwards have the 2 best seasons ever for a Browns player....
along with Kellen Winslow, Antonio Bryant and Kevin Johnson.....
So....the truth is that the majority of our best receiving efforts have come since 1999 and they were all achieved with shit QB's....
And, if we exclude TE's from the equation, Webster Slaughter is the ONLY pre-1999 WR to make the top 10 .....thats right....9 out of the top 10 WR seasons have been after 1999.....
I just re-read the thread and, honestly, no one is really calling anyone names or attacking anyones opinion directly.....xcept TCPO, who went after Zombos opinion, which started some back and forth, name calling, childish shit.....(buts thats it)
The rest of us???......just posting our football opinions about Johnny and how he played.....and a bunch of Johnny defenders disagreeing....but no name calling, etc.....
I can name a bunch.....in fact....8 out of the top 10 seasons for a Browns WR have happened since 1999....
Winslow, Josh Gordon, Kevin Johnson, Braylon Edwards, Jordan Cameron, Gary Barnidge and Antonio Bryant are all in the top 10 Browns seasons for # of catches.....
....and in terms of yards....Josh Gordon & Braylon Edwards have the 2 best seasons ever for a Browns player....
along with Kellen Winslow, Antonio Bryant and Kevin Johnson.....
So....the truth is that the majority of our best receiving efforts have come since 1999 and they were all achieved with shit QB's....
And, if we exclude TE's from the equation, Webster Slaughter is the ONLY pre-1999 WR to make the top 10 .....thats right....9 out of the top 10 WR seasons have been after 1999.....
And where are those WR's now, cept for Barnidge, who by the way, I don't think anyone was thinking he was coming into this year as the offensive weapon he has turned into. No one on this board saw that happening. We have continually, as an organization, drafted poorly. Also, the league is a lot different since '99. Rules have made it a pass friendly game, stats are stats, but generational context will always need to be taken into consideration. Plus the Brown, Pre-99, were a running team, and used their WR's as complements to the run.
The other point I will make to my 4th grade argument is that opposing or alternate opinions seem to turn into me verse you. Oh, you defend JFF, here is why you are stupid "rant rant rant".... "stat stat stat"..."you're stupid, you're stupid, you're stupid"..... "homo".
Were all Browns fans, but sometimes you think this is a Browns vs Steelers forum.
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Personally I love the title of the post. I believe it's from the department of redundancy department.
WSS
Ha, thought I was the only one who uses that joke. I hear they use a lot of spreadsheet-tracking spreadsheets in that department.
On JM, guy is showing progress. Can we stop flushing the team down the toilet at every minor issue?
Ha, thought I was the only one who uses that joke. I hear they use a lot of spreadsheet-tracking spreadsheets in that department.
On JM, guy is showing progress. Can we stop flushing the team down the toilet at every minor issue?
I assume we both stole it from the same place. Anyone here know what that might be?
WSS
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"allegedly drinking a Four Loko." These words in the story include a link...to a twitter post...which is a link...to this article. What?
What is that? Like Lemonade or something?
What is that? Like Lemonade or something?
More like this:
Back when they still had caffeine I drank some in college, I'll admit. Their only purpose is to get drunk using the spare change in your pocket. The taste is just something you have to suffer through.
We also used them as a mix-in for jungle juice - in additon to kool aid, sugar, pop, liquor, etc.
Looking back, there were a lot of bad ideas then.
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What is that? Like Lemonade or something?
More like this:
Back when they still had caffeine I drank some in college, I'll admit. Their only purpose is to get drunk using the spare change in your pocket. The taste is just something you have to suffer through.
We also used them as a mix-in for jungle juice - in additon to kool aid, sugar, pop, liquor, etc.
Looking back, there were a lot of bad ideas then.
More like this:
Back when they still had caffeine I drank some in college, I'll admit. Their only purpose is to get drunk using the spare change in your pocket. The taste is just something you have to suffer through.
We also used them as a mix-in for jungle juice - in additon to kool aid, sugar, pop, liquor, etc.
Looking back, there were a lot of bad ideas then.
I drank four in one evening...and that's back when they had taurine in them. This is a non-story.
Next up: Johnny Manziel drinks a glass of wine at Christmas dinner.
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Pryor was inactive again. This I don't understand. The position is so thin already and Moore went out with a concussion. They put Bowe in there probably to save face against his old team. I don't care who the QB is we have no legitimate weapons. Whoever is our GM next year better get real and join the league. Trying to do things Farmer's way has failed miserably. If they were hell bent on Manziel then why no Evans, Beckham, Funchess, anybody?
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I'm thinking Paxton Lynch.
If you think Johnny has bad mechanics, wait until you watch Paxton's windup and eye movement.
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I'm thinking Paxton Lynch.
If you think Johnny has bad mechanics, wait until you watch Paxton's windup and eye movement.
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I'm thinking Paxton Lynch.
If you think Johnny has bad mechanics, wait until you watch Paxton's windup and eye movement.
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He's an idiot. And he's not very good.
Time to move on.
And not because of lame videos. Because he is a lame passer,
Zombo
Zombo said:
He's an idiot. And he's not very good.
Time to move on.
And not because of lame videos. Because he is a lame passer,
Zombo
One week he passes very well....and he has drops galore.
Next week he is way off on his passes.
Come Sunday....it will all come together? He is dead accurate and his receivers don't drop anything.
I anticipate that....against you know who.
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It does not matter what we think. The Browns will do what they been doing since we came back,. Johnny did not play bad yesterday as a RUNNING BACK but didn't pass for shit but then again look at our wideouts. I think Travis B (who is our #1) had 20 freaking yards! Gary had 49!!!! I am sick of changing coaches and quaterbacks. Get JM some weapons and then we will see. If we keep getting a young qb a new OC every other year or every year what do you think will happen?.
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JFF will still be in the running next year. All I can say.
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JUST SAY NO TO PAXTON LYNCH! Don't believe the hype! He's another Tim Couch in a crappy field of QB's coming out this year. Farmer blew it in 2014! This year's class sucks. There's not a blue chip among them.
FanSided
He’s 6’6″ with outstanding athleticism so making Lynch the new it-boy was actually a good idea. The only thing about that is he had to keep playing this season and if he’s really not that guy, it will be exposed. We all know that NFL teams prefer big Quarterbacks, especially when they have the rare foot quickness and athleticism he has for his size.
But if that were all it took, Colin Kaepernick and Robert Griffin III would have ascended to superstars. Not that Lynch is so much like them as his Spread Offense has more deep to intermediate passes with progressions than the other two. And while he does have the ability to gain yards as a runner, Lynch is more comfortable from the pocket.
But he doesn’t have the ability to throw in the run the other two QBs and Tennessee Titans quarterback Marcus Mariota has. Lynch’s completion percentage from inside the pocket is an impressive 72.4 percent, but it’s just 38.9 percent when scrambling right and 45.5 percent when rolling out to the left.
Despite his size, his arm talent has often come into question among scouts as his football stays in the air too long at times. He also winds up on his delivery at times and doesn’t place the ball as consistently as he should. Then of course, since he didn’t come from Power-5 conference shool, he doesn’t have enough big wins on his resume.
He and his Memphis Tigers’ win over Ole’ Miss was huge and that’s why he was able to come out of nowhere. But shortly after, he lost to Navy and Saturday against Temple, he had a pedestrian 156 yards passing with no TDs in a loss. It doesn’t look like there’s going to be an it-boy in this year’s quarterback class.
Perhaps the media will create one duri
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As am I. Don't know if your playing devil's advocate bout I've never seen this much loyalty outta you Tim. I seemed to remember you not being thrilled about the pick and was in the Blake bortles bandwagon. But you wanna be proud of what you seen outta the position today I can respect that. It's what you've always wanted I guess.
I wasn't thrilled about the pick, and I haven't been thrilled by his last two performances. But the "this guy sucks, let's get this this guy instead" mindset has literally NEVER worked for us.
I was proud of what I saw from Manziel in glimpses. He had the flu, we were missing multiple receivers and our two starting guards...and Manziel said nothing about any of that in his post game presser.
It was a bad performance, but it's not the end of the world.
But the "this guy sucks, let's get this this guy instead" mindset has literally NEVER worked for us.
It was a bad performance, but it's not the end of the world.
i guess this only goes for players you like?
what about coaches?
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Well Big Ben has antonio brown and martavius bryant and threw for barely over 200 yards and two picks.
Rodgers threw for 151 yards and a pick.
lets see how he does against the steelers before we write him off for life.
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the part about this argument I find absolutely hilarious is all you mofos talk about patience. I read crap over and over about how pettine and insert player deserve more time and we need consistency to win.Johnny had a bad game of football throwing it, but he's played 6 god damn games. Just face it, people here don't like the dude and use any reason possible to talk him down.
You know what I saw? A young QB who had a bad game-oh no! I don't think any other QB in the history of the world had a bad completion game. I'm not even on the bandwagon fully yet, but why does Johnny not deserve a chance to develop but insert player or dumb fuck Pettine does?
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But the "this guy sucks, let's get this this guy instead" mindset has literally NEVER worked for us.
It was a bad performance, but it's not the end of the world.
i guess this only goes for players you like?
what about coaches?
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