Jonathan Paul Manziel

miktoxic

i gotta six pack that says manziel is NOT the starter next year.

stand or fall.

Zombo

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

This board is notorious for its revisionist history. Conveniently, you can wipe away the proof when you're wrong.

Yes, I can ... but, I never have.

So, there's that.

Because most Browns fans don't know jackshit about football or what it takes to win.

But you do?

Zombo

Richiswhere

Now this is a good example of how you can make stats in your favor. Zombo decided to add into Manziel stats, games in which he threw for 0, 12 and 27 yards. Mop up duty in the Rams and Cardinals game and he must of came into the second game against the Ravens at some point.

Zombo said:
Brock Osweiler
19 G, 5 GS, 3-2, 59.8 Cmp%, 1,595 Yards, 9 TD, 3.7 TD%, 4 INT 1.6 Int% 6.5 YPA, 183.9 YPG, 84.9 Rating

Nice job on your math here, no that's not it. Your so eager to bash someone that you would try and deceive the people on this board? Brock has a YPG of 83.9. Now how did that little old number "1" get in front of the 83.9? Because nowhere in Brocks stat is there anything close to 183.9 YPG

Mark O

@miktoxic said:

i gotta six pack that says manziel is NOT the starter next year.

stand or fall.

If both McCown and Manziel are back next year, it will take a whole lot of offseaon work by Manziel to improve his footwork before he has any chance in hell of beating out McCown.

TeddyKGB

@miktoxic said:

i'd: keep pettine and have him take over D play calling. don't like flip's stuff this year but didn't like shanahan's either when he was here....maybe too much influence of the WCO or just playing to the strength of the players dealt them, dunno but something has to be done there as well.

farmer needs a kick in his ass, and he/they need to hold scouts accountable when their shit is no good.

half our OL might be gone. some D picks might pan out but are still in desperate need of LB help. AND we have no quality receivers over 6'. so even if the browns decide to keep manziel there are enough needs to take up 2 drafts IMO.

Thanks for the fill in mik,

Back on topic, watching Pettine, I just get the feeling that McCown is his ride-or-die chic and #1 choice. Seems like Johnny is the sloppy seconds because he knows, while hot and shiny, she already has herpes and won't bear his children.

Zombo

@richiswhere said:

Now this is a good example of how you can make stats in your favor. Zombo decided to add into Manziel stats, games in which he threw for 0, 12 and 27 yards. Mop up duty in the Rams and Cardinals game and he must of came into the second game against the Ravens at some point.

Nice job on your math here, no that's not it. Your so eager to bash someone that you would try and deceive the people on this board? Brock has a YPG of 83.9. Now how did that little old number "1" get in front of the 83.9? Because nowhere in Brocks stat is there anything close to 183.9 YPG

Umm ... I used all of Manziel's stats, and all of the other guys stats as well.

The one in front of 83.9 is a typo. Their passer ratings were not.

Z

--I guess I can update Brock now, anyway. Johnny is great against Cincinnati too.

Richiswhere

Zombo said:

Umm ... I used all of Manziel's stats, and all of the other guys stats as well.

The one in front of 83.9 is a typo. Their passer ratings were not.

Z

--I guess I can update Brock now, anyway. Johnny is great against Cincinnati too.

Yeah convenient spot for a typo.

Zombo

@richiswhere said:
Yeah convenient spot for a typo.

Osweiler, like Johhny, has a low ypg because of relief appearances, so I have no problem discarding that stat. I think the percentages are the key.

And, yes, it was a typo, but Brock threw for 299 tonight, against the Bengals that eat Johnny alive, so that is worth noting.

Z

MasterDog

Is this a joke?

This partying ahole sucks!!!

I rather reboot than waste another 2-3 year with this midget.

MasterDog

Bortle and Carr are studs.

Bridgewater will win a ton of games.

We are left with the partying wannabe NFL QB.

bringbackbrownie2

VesnaKociper said:
If he wants to get drunk, laid and even high on grass in places it is legal, it's his fucking business. Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb were huge drunks and whore masters. Picking on this kid during a bye week? Fuck The NFL. I hope Roger Goddell dies in his sleep. Not a Manziel fan, but the kid can't take a shit without someone scolding him or correcting his form.

Shit I agree with Ghoolie.. What is wrong with me? And TCPO is right too. Manziel is fine. I would rather stick with what we have and draft defense and WR.. Everyone here seems to have been infected with Walter's bipolar complex. One second we have the best team ever and the next we should cut the whole team..

ErnieCamacho84

VesnaKociper said:
I hope Roger Goddell dies in his sleep.

Classic Ghoolie.

wargograw

@d-bone said:

Anybody watching AJ McCarron against Denver's #1 rated defense, this is why you draft football players, and not combine boy wonders - workout warriors - who look good in shorts and a tank top. Pick guys that have proven it on film, and done so against other top competition.

"AJ's too slow, AJ's arm is too weak, AJ didn't jump high enough in the 'how high can a guy in shorts jump and swipe the little plastic thingies' drill".........

I'm so sick and tired of the Browns missing on football players because they fall in love with the latest "draft stock riser" who has long arms and can run around little plastic cones really, really, really fast.

PICK GODDAMN FOOTBALL PLAYERS THIS TIME.

You are literally too stupid to insult. Manziel is a severely better "football player" than McCarron. Guess we should bring in Jake Coker too. And last year that black kid that played for Bama because, like, he's totally a football player since he won some games with 4 straight #1 recruiting classes around him (that's an actual stat).

wargograw

@d-bone said:

Anybody watching AJ McCarron against Denver's #1 rated defense, this is why you draft football players, and not combine boy wonders - workout warriors - who look good in shorts and a tank top. Pick guys that have proven it on film, and done so against other top competition.

"AJ's too slow, AJ's arm is too weak, AJ didn't jump high enough in the 'how high can a guy in shorts jump and swipe the little plastic thingies' drill".........

I'm so sick and tired of the Browns missing on football players because they fall in love with the latest "draft stock riser" who has long arms and can run around little plastic cones really, really, really fast.

PICK GODDAMN FOOTBALL PLAYERS THIS TIME.

You know who else did so "against top competition"? Greg McElroy. What a long and illustrious NFL career he had.

miktoxic

VesnaKociper said:
Mik, this cocksucker is the worst kind of fan. His arrogant, self-smug attitude is real. Me? Being an asshole is a fun hobby. Ask Stan and Zombo.... I am good for posting activity. Do you ever read some of the shit I post? I can't even remember 20% of it, but I am told it riles a lot of folks up. Did I tell you that I think we should get rid of Joe Thomas? LMAO.

umm...

can you play this song on the accordion?

wargograw

Johnny:

Completions per aimed throws-61.1%

Completions plus drops per aimed throws-70.6%

Brock:

66.1%

72.5%

Mariota:

66.3%

71.5%

Bortles:

63.8%

69.8%

Bridgewater:

75%

79.8%

Carr:

64.6%

72.7%

Winston:

62.3%

69.7%

No one is getting less help from his receivers than our QB.

In case anyone's still not aware, Johnny is a scrambling QB.

Johnny:

Rushing yards-231

Brock:

61

Mariota:

255

Bortles:

314

Bridgewater:

185

Carr:

126

Winston:

186

miktoxic

love the big mouths.

put $10 on the line and they fall into the cracks and shadows like church mice.

TexasAg1969

So much crying and bitching over a lost game. I'll stick to the players on the team for who they think belongs as the starter next year. Too many little weenie whiners here. And what happened to all that previous bitching about how he had no guts and would not take one for the team? So he only broke the Browns running record with his "quitter" play and had them in position to win at the end when his arm was not up to par. All I heard was people bitching that he was gonna just get hurt. The hate on here for the Browns starting QB is just over the top. I was told you folks support the Browns. I don't see it from all but a few when it comes to JM.

Z-take a few days off.

TexasAg1969

Zombo said:

Donte Whitner?

Ya, like him.

Not sure he will be around to see Johnny's replacement though.

Zombo

Since you obviously did not read the article or maliciously chose to ignore the others, here is a quote for all to see from it. Pick and chose all you want, but the team is still behind him Z. Just because you don't agree does not make you right.

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"Manziel even earned praise from tight end Gary Barnidge, despite the fact he threw behind Barnidge at least three times and was picked off on one pass intended for him. Barnidge only corralled three of his eight targets for 47 yards.

"It makes it so tough on the defense because you never know what's going to happen,'' he said. "He's able to extend plays 5, 6, 7 seconds when they are done in four. That makes it tough. It helping our running game b/c it forces the defense too keep an eye on another person in the running game. As soon as they commit too much, the passing game becomes open.''

And while Manziel -- who had three chances in the fourth quarter to win the game -- blamed himself for botching the end when time ran out on him and he couldn't run a final play, Barnidge took the onus off the young signal caller.

"It's tough we ran out of time,'' said Barnidge. "He was doing a good job. He was hustling up the plays. You could see the leadership in him. He got everyone going, got the plays called. I don't think we wasted any time.''

Crowell, who rushed for 88 yards on 16 carries, cited Manziel's leadership in the huddle.

"I felt like Johnny was in control,'' he said. "We made some good plays and we made a couple of bad plays. We made a bad play at the wrong time and I feel like that cost us the game."

jrb12711

Let's change the pace on this a little bit and ask a different question. Why is the running game looking 1000% better since Manziel has been in the game? It doesn't look to me like they are running some crazy new system, so why is that happening?

Dude had an awful game, but he's shown flashes of playing the position on an awful football team. What I don't get is this-you're the same dude who has a boner for McCown, but all he did was lose even though he had better statistical numbers. So what's his excuse, he just gets a pass for being in the same shitty situation the Browns QB's have been in the whole year? By the logic of "numbers make the QB" Josh McCown should have taken us to the playoffs this year.

I don't know if Manziel is the dude but he's shown ability on an awful football team. If he sucks 4 games into next year, your savior of Cleveland can go in and take us to a SB anyway.