Browns hire Jonah Hill....err Paul DePodesta as CSO
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Now that we are getting in all of these analytics gents, I am waiting to see when they bring in football folks.
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Now that we are getting in all of these analytics gents, I am waiting to see when they bring in football folks.
Now that we are getting in all of these analytics gents, I am waiting to see when they bring in football folks.
The coach......even if it is former aeronautical engineer (right?) Patricia, will be a football guy.
Are we now discounting that Eliot Wolf will want to come here as the DOPP? Will he want to be "The Man"...and since apparently Sashi Brown will be the man.....do you think he would opt out of consideration?
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Now that we are getting in all of these analytics gents, I am waiting to see when they bring in football folks.
The coach......even if it is former aeronautical engineer (right?) Patricia, will be a football guy.
Are we now discounting that Eliot Wolf will want to come here as the DOPP? Will he want to be "The Man"...and since apparently Sashi Brown will be the man.....do you think he would opt out of consideration?
The coach......even if it is former aeronautical engineer (right?) Patricia, will be a football guy.
Are we now discounting that Eliot Wolf will want to come here as the DOPP? Will he want to be "The Man"...and since apparently Sashi Brown will be the man.....do you think he would opt out of consideration?
I don't think it will help having multiple layers of yes men to get through before a GM can make decisions. You will be hard pressed to find someone who wants to join that type of situation.
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Patricia's Alma mater: Renssalaer Poly ranked #126 in Forbes college ranking (for what that's worth)
http://www.forbes.com/colleges/rensselaer-polytechnic-institute/
(both my kids went to higher rated schools....but you would certainly expect that, no?)
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The coach......even if it is former aeronautical engineer (right?) Patricia, will be a football guy.
Are we now discounting that Eliot Wolf will want to come here as the DOPP? Will he want to be "The Man"...and since apparently Sashi Brown will be the man.....do you think he would opt out of consideration?
I don't think it will help having multiple layers of yes men to get through before a GM can make decisions. You will be hard pressed to find someone who wants to join that type of situation.
I don't think it will help having multiple layers of yes men to get through before a GM can make decisions. You will be hard pressed to find someone who wants to join that type of situation.
Unless they all view it as like one of these Silicon Valley, high tech firms......where it is all about the collaberation.
So far the Browns are getting some of the smartest cats in the room.....at least they think they are. Those cats like to purr with other like minded cats.
So, you still never know.
It took three witches to boil the cauldron at the beginning of MacBeth. You never know what three great minds might brew up.
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This is a guy primarily known for baseball analytics.
My thoughts on it is Jimmy's basically trying to build a good team without spending lots of money on an analytical approach instead of the usual one
This is a guy primarily known for baseball analytics.
My thoughts on it is Jimmy's basically trying to build a good team without spending lots of money on an analytical approach instead of the usual one
I see it as trying to spend the right amount of money on the right players. They have a very good cap situation and are going to be doing some spending, so this makes sense.
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Now that we are getting in all of these analytics gents, I am waiting to see when they bring in football folks.
Now that we are getting in all of these analytics gents, I am waiting to see when they bring in football folks.
true dat.
for all the knowledge these nerds might have it'd still help if they have some knowledge of what actually goes on on the field. you could be the best football coach in the world but if you can't get the higher ups to get you what you need to succeed on the field, all the number crunching and twisting means jack shit.
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It's like when we commissioned a big analysis that determined Teddy Twatwater was the most likely QB to succeed in the NFL - then completely ignored it and took Manziel.
Maybe we won't ignore that type of stuff anymore.
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Jimmy is about as corporate as it gets......and Id say he's trying to build what most would call a consensus decision making team...
Kinda trendy, if you ask me .....maybe it'll work.....and maybe not.....
It's good in that you wont have any knee jerk decisions and, if implemented correctly, wont leave any opinions on the floor....
BUT.....just remember.....compromise & agreement in everything breeds mediocrity.....And in consensus groups, vanilla often ends up being the only flavor....
All depends on those who are working the system.....but Im gonna be skeptical that it will apply well to choosing football players....
Ill add that if Jimmy is in any way a part of the group...being owner and the boss.... he will pollute the integrity of the system and prevent true consensus from occurring.....(can he let them do their thing....alone????)
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"Worked for Billy Bean", said Jimmy.
What happens when he shows up and he isn't Jonah Hill and Jimmy fires him?
"Worked for Billy Bean", said Jimmy.
What happens when he shows up and he isn't Jonah Hill and Jimmy fires him?
Oakland A's haven't won squat under Billy Bean.
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Zombo said:
This could not be good for Dwayne Bowe.
Zombo
he's still a brown?
looks like the first probs this new consensus money/#'s group will have to deal with is paying all the people still under contract that no longer work for the team.
great start!
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The thing about football versus baseball is that there isn't nearly as many of these "advanced metrics"
The patriots may be an example of a team that uses some of these advanced metrics to select their players - but they also have Tom Brady.
Maybe they'll make a moneyball 2 in 10 years about the Browns after we win 5 super bowls and revolutionize the game....one can dream.
The thing about football versus baseball is that there isn't nearly as many of these "advanced metrics"
The patriots may be an example of a team that uses some of these advanced metrics to select their players - but they also have Tom Brady.
Maybe they'll make a moneyball 2 in 10 years about the Browns after we win 5 super bowls and revolutionize the game....one can dream.
Baseball ain't football guys. There's a thing in the businesses world called paralysis by analysis.
Will those "advanced metrics" take into account character issues- Manziel, Gilbert? The bottom line is- are the guys football players? Metrics would have said pass on guys like Ray Lewis & Steve Largent (too slow), and take guys like Vernon Gholston & every other workout warrior you can think of. Just because you can run a 4.3 won't make you a great WR, right Willis Adams & Steve Holden? A lot of college tackles = Mike Junkin.
I'll sit this one out until the dust settles- but as Princess Leila said in the first Star Wars "I have a bad feeling about this."
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http://news.yahoo.com/browns-just-hired-baseball-executive-175441605.html?nf=1
The Browns just hired a baseball executive to run their team, and it could change football forever
The Cleveland Browns made a surprising move on Tuesday when they announced the hiring of Paul DePodesta as Chief Strategy Officer.DePodesta's previous title was the New York Mets' Vice President of Player Development and Amateur Scouting.DePodesta not only helped build the Mets team that went to the World Series this year, he was a key figure in the Oakland A's "Moneyball" team.According to ESPN's Chris Mortensen and Ed Werder, the only two people above DePodesta are Browns president Alec Scheiner and owner Jimmy Haslam — he'll work above the newly hired executive vice president of football operations, Sashi Brown. Mortensen and Werder report that DePodesta will have a strong say in personnel decisions.It seems strange to pluck DePodesta from the baseball world, but according to Joel Sherman of The New York Post, DePodesta played football at Harvard, and has been on the Browns' radar for several months.This is a clear jump into the analytics world by the Browns. DePodesta clearly played a role with the A's in pushing advanced analytics — a world where football is lacking.The Browns released a statement on the hire of DePodesta, saying, "His approach and ambition to find the best pathways for organizational success transcend one specific sport and his experience as a high level sports executive make him a terrific addition to the Cleveland Browns."They added, "His ability to create better processes and systems throughout organizations, his use of data as a tool to produce better outcomes, and his relentless focus on looking for innovative ways to create more success will be a strong asset as we look to be as comprehensive as possible in our decision making."The NFL is generally considered a traditionalist league where few teams push the boundaries. Some of the most notable names in football are the coaches who are willing to push the boundaries, but the examples are numbered. Bill Belichick routinely experiments with things other coaches wouldn't try, but he has the track record, job safety, and roster to do so. However, Belichick seems more interested in tactical experiments than analytical experiments. Chip Kelly also tried to change things, and his love of sports science has been documented. Kelly, however, failed in other areas and now finds himself out of a job.What, exactly, DePodesta can bring in the analytics department to the Browns is unknown, but it's clear the Browns are trying for a culture change. The Browns already seem like a team on the move after firing their coach, GM, and likely moving on from their first-round quarterback.If this is a sweeping rebuild rooted in analytics and it works for one of the NFL's saddest franchises, the NFL will be watching. And if it fails, the NFL will take note. -
Loving that comment from Mud..."And in consensus groups, vanilla often ends up being the only flavour"....which I agree with and may use in my work life.
I'm looking forward to seeing how these appointments work with our new HC and GM.
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The thing about football versus baseball is that there isn't nearly as many of these "advanced metrics"
The patriots may be an example of a team that uses some of these advanced metrics to select their players - but they also have Tom Brady.
Maybe they'll make a moneyball 2 in 10 years about the Browns after we win 5 super bowls and revolutionize the game....one can dream.
Baseball ain't football guys. There's a thing in the businesses world called paralysis by analysis.
Will those "advanced metrics" take into account character issues- Manziel, Gilbert? The bottom line is- are the guys football players? Metrics would have said pass on guys like Ray Lewis & Steve Largent (too slow), and take guys like Vernon Gholston & every other workout warrior you can think of. Just because you can run a 4.3 won't make you a great WR, right Willis Adams & Steve Holden? A lot of college tackles = Mike Junkin.
I'll sit this one out until the dust settles- but as Princess Leila said in the first Star Wars "I have a bad feeling about this."
Baseball ain't football guys. There's a thing in the businesses world called paralysis by analysis.
Will those "advanced metrics" take into account character issues- Manziel, Gilbert? The bottom line is- are the guys football players? Metrics would have said pass on guys like Ray Lewis & Steve Largent (too slow), and take guys like Vernon Gholston & every other workout warrior you can think of. Just because you can run a 4.3 won't make you a great WR, right Willis Adams & Steve Holden? A lot of college tackles = Mike Junkin.
I'll sit this one out until the dust settles- but as Princess Leila said in the first Star Wars "I have a bad feeling about this."
That isn't entirely it, it will also be things like when to go for two, when to punt etc.
Who knows maybe we will call a timeout at the right time this year
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In the world of analytics, baseball, football, it doesn't matter. Pro football is a perfect fit for it, and if done properly, the Browns could get ahead of the game for once.
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This would sugeest Marrone is an ideal fit for what they're looking for in a HC
http://blogs.buffalobills.com/tag/analytics/
There’s no question that analytics is a part of everything that head coach Doug Marrone and his staff do on a daily basis in both the regular season and the offseason. At the same time Buffalo’s head coach is careful as to the amount of weight he allows the analytics to carry when it comes to major decision making as he moves the team forward.
In a recent appearance on the John Murphy Show, Marrone addressed the role of analytics in their offseason work. It’s obvious that Marrone believes that analytics absolutely have a role in everything they do from offseason analysis, to film review, to opponent breakdowns and special offseason projects. At the same time Marrone is clear that analytics cannot be applied to their work in a vacuum and that other variables need to be considered.
“I think you have to be careful with analytics. You need to have a balance. You need to watch the film. You need to chart it and write things down,” said Marrone. “How I do it is I watch the film. I have an opinion of what I’m seeing. Then I go to the computer reports and I say, ‘Am I right in what I’m seeing?’ If the computer reports say something different then I go back and say, ‘Why didn’t I see it that way?’
“Analytics shows us what we’re doing and where we need to do a better job. It shows us the things we need to concentrate on to beat an opponent. When we don’t go out there and execute the plan and hit the numbers we’re talking about it doesn’t look like we’re doing a good job. But when we do do it it’s impressive.”
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