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  • Until islam evolves from a medieval mentality it would be incompatible with any sort of global leadership.

  • What I'm saying is that I trust there would be enough self interest from the rest of the world to say "yeah no we're not going to elect a global theocrat"

  • I'm thinking that there will be a lot of very serious changes to the planet and humanity before a one world government is feasible.

    (imagine trying to tell the citizens in the thirteen hundreds how things would be today.)

    But I don't think that would be impossible. Adolf Hitler won the election in Germany.

    The world could easily become a dystopia. Remember boys history did not begin 100 years ago.

    WSS

  • @gftchris said:

    That's what happens here, in a small version. Each of the 650 seats in parliament is independently elected, and then those 650 elect their leader, and whichever party has the majority of seats forms the government. Or, gets first crack at a coalition.

    So how would you fellas feel if a muslim was the supreme leader or whatever title and he wanted to implement sharia law throughout the world. I've been out and never want to see a new world order myself. I just see a mess of corruption myself.

    @erie-dawg said:

    So how would you fellas feel if a muslim was the supreme leader or whatever title and he wanted to implement sharia law throughout the world. I've been out and never want to see a new world order myself. I just see a mess of corruption myself.

    I suspect by the time the world is capable of putting the differences aside to appoint a world leader, religion will have dwindled to almost non-existence and atheism will be an unspoken requirement for office, as christianity is now in the US.

  • @erie-dawg said:

    So how would you fellas feel if a muslim was the supreme leader or whatever title and he wanted to implement sharia law throughout the world. I've been out and never want to see a new world order myself. I just see a mess of corruption myself.

    I suspect by the time the world is capable of putting the differences aside to appoint a world leader, religion will have dwindled to almost non-existence and atheism will be an unspoken requirement for office, as christianity is now in the US.

    @gftchris said:

    I suspect by the time the world is capable of putting the differences aside to appoint a world leader, religion will have dwindled to almost non-existence and atheism will be an unspoken requirement for office, as christianity is now in the US.

    I hope athiest is never a requirement for anything as I see athiesm as sort of a religion unto itself. Most self identified athiests seem to be insulting, loud mouthed,nihilistic jackholes that go out of their way to push their beliefs on others and ridicule people of faith. (Hint: I'm not what you would call a person of faith) Rather I'd just as soon see religion as not a prominent issue.

  • Beyond Thunderdome

    WSS

  • @erie-dawg said:

    So how would you fellas feel if a muslim was the supreme leader or whatever title and he wanted to implement sharia law throughout the world. I've been out and never want to see a new world order myself. I just see a mess of corruption myself.

    I suspect by the time the world is capable of putting the differences aside to appoint a world leader, religion will have dwindled to almost non-existence and atheism will be an unspoken requirement for office, as christianity is now in the US.

    @gftchris said:

    I suspect by the time the world is capable of putting the differences aside to appoint a world leader, religion will have dwindled to almost non-existence and atheism will be an unspoken requirement for office, as christianity is now in the US.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pipe+dream

  • @gftchris said:

    I suspect by the time the world is capable of putting the differences aside to appoint a world leader, religion will have dwindled to almost non-existence and atheism will be an unspoken requirement for office, as christianity is now in the US.

    I hope athiest is never a requirement for anything as I see athiesm as sort of a religion unto itself. Most self identified athiests seem to be insulting, loud mouthed,nihilistic jackholes that go out of their way to push their beliefs on others and ridicule people of faith. (Hint: I'm not what you would call a person of faith) Rather I'd just as soon see religion as not a prominent issue.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    I hope athiest is never a requirement for anything as I see athiesm as sort of a religion unto itself. Most self identified athiests seem to be insulting, loud mouthed,nihilistic jackholes that go out of their way to push their beliefs on others and ridicule people of faith. (Hint: I'm not what you would call a person of faith) Rather I'd just as soon see religion as not a prominent issue.

    It's more a point of being able to trust someone to make rational decisions about things in direct contradiction to their religion. For example, take any religious person who believes their god made the universe and put the earth at the centre (mataphorical, not physical), and that we must exclusively be the only life in the universe because why would god have put life elsewhere? I wouldn't be too happy appointing that person leader of the world in charge of exploring space and dealing with anything we find there.

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    I hope athiest is never a requirement for anything as I see athiesm as sort of a religion unto itself. Most self identified athiests seem to be insulting, loud mouthed,nihilistic jackholes that go out of their way to push their beliefs on others and ridicule people of faith. (Hint: I'm not what you would call a person of faith) Rather I'd just as soon see religion as not a prominent issue.

    It's more a point of being able to trust someone to make rational decisions about things in direct contradiction to their religion. For example, take any religious person who believes their god made the universe and put the earth at the centre (mataphorical, not physical), and that we must exclusively be the only life in the universe because why would god have put life elsewhere? I wouldn't be too happy appointing that person leader of the world in charge of exploring space and dealing with anything we find there.

    @gftchris said:

    It's more a point of being able to trust someone to make rational decisions about things in direct contradiction to their religion. For example, take any religious person who believes their god made the universe and put the earth at the centre (mataphorical, not physical), and that we must exclusively be the only life in the universe because why would god have put life elsewhere? I wouldn't be too happy appointing that person leader of the world in charge of exploring space and dealing with anything we find there.

    You know, like in Soylent Green.

    Brave new world, 1984 etc

    WSS

  • And what has Obama done with our space program? Last I heard we were forced to hitch a ride with the Russians into space because Obama has decimated our space program.

  • @gftchris said:

    It's more a point of being able to trust someone to make rational decisions about things in direct contradiction to their religion. For example, take any religious person who believes their god made the universe and put the earth at the centre (mataphorical, not physical), and that we must exclusively be the only life in the universe because why would god have put life elsewhere? I wouldn't be too happy appointing that person leader of the world in charge of exploring space and dealing with anything we find there.

    You know, like in Soylent Green.

    Brave new world, 1984 etc

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    You know, like in Soylent Green.

    WSS

    Never watched it, but I don't doubt there are plenty of dystopian movies that involve eradication of religion, just as there are plenty of instances of dystopias fuelled by religion.. I know you have this whole contrarian thing going, but don't you ever get tired of not really making a point of your own?

  • It will be essential for space exploration. As it is now though I don't think anyone from any major country could accept foreigners bossing then around.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    It will be essential for space exploration. As it is now though I don't think anyone from any major country could accept foreigners bossing then around.

    I think space exploration, just like auto and aviation industries, is going to be pioneered by private industry, not governments.

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    It will be essential for space exploration. As it is now though I don't think anyone from any major country could accept foreigners bossing then around.

    I think space exploration, just like auto and aviation industries, is going to be pioneered by private industry, not governments.

    @osiris said:

    I think space exploration, just like auto and aviation industries, is going to be pioneered by private industry, not governments.

    You're probably right

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    It will be essential for space exploration. As it is now though I don't think anyone from any major country could accept foreigners bossing then around.

    I think space exploration, just like auto and aviation industries, is going to be pioneered by private industry, not governments.

    @osiris said:

    I think space exploration, just like auto and aviation industries, is going to be pioneered by private industry, not governments.

    I hope that doesn't mean private sector mining of asteroids, raping the rest of the universe as they have the earth, but I suspect that's going to be very much the reality. The groundwork is already in place.

  • @westside-steve said:

    You know, like in Soylent Green.

    WSS

    Never watched it, but I don't doubt there are plenty of dystopian movies that involve eradication of religion, just as there are plenty of instances of dystopias fuelled by religion.. I know you have this whole contrarian thing going, but don't you ever get tired of not really making a point of your own?

    @gftchris said:

    Never watched it, but I don't doubt there are plenty of dystopian movies that involve eradication of religion, just as there are plenty of instances of dystopias fuelled by religion.. I know you have this whole contrarian thing going, but don't you ever get tired of not really making a point of your own?

    No often we use examples to make our point. Is it tiresome to take something you saw on the Browns board and make your point here? 🙂

    But I might mention that communism strives for atheism.

    And without religion it would be much easier, as a ruler, to decide to for instance, euthanize starving people for the good of society. Right?

    (of course atheists often enjoy pretending that there is a universal right and wrong that they make up)

    WSS

  • @osiris said:

    I think space exploration, just like auto and aviation industries, is going to be pioneered by private industry, not governments.

    I hope that doesn't mean private sector mining of asteroids, raping the rest of the universe as they have the earth, but I suspect that's going to be very much the reality. The groundwork is already in place.

    @gftchris said:

    I hope that doesn't mean private sector mining of asteroids, raping the rest of the universe as they have the earth, but I suspect that's going to be very much the reality. The groundwork is already in place.

    Who cares about asteroids? Are they going to have climate change?

  • @gftchris said:

    I hope that doesn't mean private sector mining of asteroids, raping the rest of the universe as they have the earth, but I suspect that's going to be very much the reality. The groundwork is already in place.

    Who cares about asteroids? Are they going to have climate change?

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Who cares about asteroids? Are they going to have climate change?

    First asteroids, then moons, other planets, it's an endless quest to find more resources to sustain the ponzi scheme of life.

  • @gftchris said:

    Never watched it, but I don't doubt there are plenty of dystopian movies that involve eradication of religion, just as there are plenty of instances of dystopias fuelled by religion.. I know you have this whole contrarian thing going, but don't you ever get tired of not really making a point of your own?

    No often we use examples to make our point. Is it tiresome to take something you saw on the Browns board and make your point here? 🙂

    But I might mention that communism strives for atheism.

    And without religion it would be much easier, as a ruler, to decide to for instance, euthanize starving people for the good of society. Right?

    (of course atheists often enjoy pretending that there is a universal right and wrong that they make up)

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    No often we use examples to make our point. Is it tiresome to take something you saw on the Browns board and make your point here? 🙂

    You've been contrarian for a long, long time now.

    But I might mention that communism strives for atheism.

    It also strives for clean drinking water, what's your point? Hitler once drove a car you know, and now *you* want to drive a car? What does that say about you?

    And without religion it would be much easier, as a ruler, to decide to for instance, euthanize starving people for the good of society. Right?

    Not really, no. I don't know why you have this idea that without religion there can be no morals, that all atheists are selfish savages without fear of consequence or compassion for those in need. Some of the most compassionate people I know are atheists, most in fact.

    (of course atheists often enjoy pretending that there is a universal right and wrong that they make up)

    WSS

  • A yes and proud of it.

    B actually probably purposely you missed the point. One of the first things in communism is to eliminate the competition in the church.

    C for the simple reason that morality is religion. You can use the exact same arguments against your own personal morality as you can for Christianity.

    You have just arbitrarily decided to be bitter about one and not the other.

    WSS

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    Who cares about asteroids? Are they going to have climate change?

    First asteroids, then moons, other planets, it's an endless quest to find more resources to sustain the ponzi scheme of life.

    @gftchris said:

    First asteroids, then moons, other planets, it's an endless quest to find more resources to sustain the ponzi scheme of life.

    If they're not inhabited fuck em