Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I would like to see him in Pit, Cincy, or Baltimore (as a player). Those are all within 3 states.
The reality is Manziel is gone no matter what. I don't think the analytics say very good things about an alcoholic midget quarterback who can't throw a football - then again, the football people don't say good things about an alcoholic midget quarterback who can't throw a football either.
If we draft Goff, it will assuredly be Goff, McCown, Davis/Shaw as QB1, QB2, and QB3. Anybody aside from Goff it may be McCown as QB1 to open up 2016
I think even with Goff it may be McCown to open up, depending on the new coach.
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LOL! To those who just want to hack & cut, move to Cut & Shoot Texas (Home of Roy Harris, once beaten in the 50's by reigning heavyweight champ Floyd Patterson in the 13 round).
You have to be unemotional when it comes to a business decision and JM's future most definitely is a business decision for the Browns. What is the cost of cutting if he is picked up by another team vs. what is the cost of trading? Does the new coach want to retain him? The new analytics guys can work with the new coach and new GM to figure out exactly what to do about Billy. Hopefully this time Jimmy stays completely out of the decision making on ALL players, including JM.
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I think there's a huge chance JM Aka "Billy" ends up hosting a TV show like Lipsync rap battles on Spike in the next 3 years. Or maybe he could join college game day and give reports on the best party spots at whatever university they're at.
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"Why'd you have to tell her I was a marine biologist? You know I always wanted to pretend to be an architect!"
My favorite "George" line of all time also from that same episode.
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Pink font Tour!!
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Thanks AG!
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or he could wreck the fucking league. no one can predict the future.
unlike [scrubs] like Frye, Anderson, Quinn, Weeden...even McCown whom i really like, Johnny Manziel is a household name. his numbers in only year two were very close to McCown's numbers, numbers we were very satisfied with. and Johnny won more games. he may be polarizing but at least he's not violent like Ray Rice or Suh, isn't getting DUI's like *fill in the blank* or gang related like Ray Lewis or hitting people w his car like Stallworth who murderered someone. he's not really even a diva. if you want Michael Jackson or Ozzy or Terrell Owens or Rex Ryan something comes with that. why aren't we even discussing Gilbert's utter refusal to take the field?? what has he earned?? he's shown less than Manziel, that's for sure. and if Johnny were never drafted by the Browns, all this focus would be on him.
honestly, who's the worse teammate, Gilbert: who is such a pariah they stopped even asking him to participate in community activities, or Manziel: who as i said may be polarizing but still puts asses in seats and keeps everyone talking about us for better or for worse. for every person that hates Johnny there are ten more who adore him. show me one brownsboarder that joined here because of Justin fucking Gilbert, or Mingo, Shelton, Erving, etc etc...
Manziel has a brand and a fan base of his own. somebody call me when he actually does something bad.
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Who was satisfied with Manziel's play this year? Even by the numbers they weren't even close to McCown's....
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Oh sweet baby Jesus, PLEASE let this happen... This is just a warm up act for what the Billy Manziel act could produce in Dallas
Oh sweet baby Jesus, PLEASE let this happen... This is just a warm up act for what the Billy Manziel act could produce in Dallas
With full time access to his woman... his posse... oh, the heights to which he could soar.
I assume players are not allowed to talk to other teams while they are under contract.
So is the behavior a result of his perceived vote of no confidence by the team administration or systemic within himself? The answer to that riddle will tell the story of whether he successful or not. There is always the chance the new staff here will see him as the quarterback of the future and his attitude may change.
Or not.
"Or not" times two...
One thought about the Vegas trip; I'm sure he smelled the smoke about his guy ray farmer Daddy Mike Pettine about to be shown the door.
Fixed!
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Who was satisfied with Manziel's play this year? Even by the numbers they weren't even close to McCown's....
Who was satisfied with Manziel's play this year? Even by the numbers they weren't even close to McCown's....
i won't be satisfied even if they win 10 Super Balls so of course i wasn't satisfied. were you satisfied with McCown? how about his durability? their numbers weren't that far apart either. Josh passed for more yards and Johnny set franchise rushing records behind a patchwork OL.
drama or not Davis and Shaw aren't even worthy of carrying Johnny's jockstrap.
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Chris I'm sure there are members of the team who are annoyed. Still Joe Thomas is the kind of guy who praises him when he worked hard. I'm sure he's disappointed if in fact these actions are indicative Johnny's cavalier attitude toward the game, as opposed to a way out of a place he felt he wasn't wanted.
Rumor has it he's well liked among some other players. Who knows?
Sisky I mostly agree with that.
Imagine a player from Cleveland drafted by the Dallas Cowboys who got and round up getting dumped or traded to the Browns and took us to the playoffs. Nobody would care if he fucked a sheep in downtown Dallas to get out.
WSS
Rumor has it he's well liked among some other players. Who knows?
There will always be an element that likes his fun personality and "celebrity", but as is the case here, they will mostly be young guys... or old farts in a skirt...
put anyone under a microscope...
lo-fuckin-l... frisky... dude... you have to be Helen fuckin' Keller at this point to not see...
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Rumor has it he's well liked among some other players. Who knows?
There will always be an element that likes his fun personality and "celebrity", but as is the case here, they will mostly be young guys... or old farts in a skirt...
put anyone under a microscope...
lo-fuckin-l... frisky... dude... you have to be Helen fuckin' Keller at this point to not see...
lo-fuckin-l... frisky... dude... you have to be Helen fuckin' Keller at this point to not see...
guess i'm just a sucker for an underdog. ?
i hope we keep him to back up McCown as he mentors Goff.
it's like a kid challenging a babysitter. some quit, others push through it and find a way. and once you figure out how to manage him (seems like an "atta-boy" to me as opposed to a "tough love" you can threaten) he could be all they hoped and more.
honestly, how much trouble could he really cause 3rd string? what's the worst that could happen? ?
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Jaylon Smith apparently tore his ACL & MCL. He might consider returning to college?
Jaylon Smith apparently tore his ACL & MCL. He might consider returning to college?
Both? Damn... but to go back? Kid needs follow the Magahee PLan: hire Rosenhaus and come out.
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LOL! To those who just want to hack & cut, move to Cut & Shoot Texas (Home of Roy Harris, once beaten in the 50's by reigning heavyweight champ Floyd Patterson in the 13 round).
You have to be unemotional when it comes to a business decision and JM's future most definitely is a business decision for the Browns. What is the cost of cutting if he is picked up by another team vs. what is the cost of trading? Does the new coach want to retain him? The new analytics guys can work with the new coach and new GM to figure out exactly what to do about Billy. Hopefully this time Jimmy stays completely out of the decision making on ALL players, including JM.
LOL! To those who just want to hack & cut, move to Cut & Shoot Texas (Home of Roy Harris, once beaten in the 50's by reigning heavyweight champ Floyd Patterson in the 13 round).
You have to be unemotional when it comes to a business decision and JM's future most definitely is a business decision for the Browns. What is the cost of cutting if he is picked up by another team vs. what is the cost of trading? Does the new coach want to retain him? The new analytics guys can work with the new coach and new GM to figure out exactly what to do about Billy. Hopefully this time Jimmy stays completely out of the decision making on ALL players, including JM.
...He's made a mockery of the organization and the team and has flipped the byrd at authority. End this clown show. The punk is a huge distraction and its humiliating...his actions say he wants out. Personally I'd let him ride pine on the practice squad if that is an option, ala RG3.
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Whoever the first pick is, I hope we see an overall draft strategy that builds around him to maximize his chance for success. If we pick Goff, then we'd better pick a wide receiver for him to throw to with the next pick. An offense with Goff, Josh Gordon, Josh Doctson, Barnidge, Crowell and Duke sounds like it could score some points.
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lo-fuckin-l... frisky... dude... you have to be Helen fuckin' Keller at this point to not see...
guess i'm just a sucker for an underdog. ?
i hope we keep him to back up McCown as he mentors Goff.
it's like a kid challenging a babysitter. some quit, others push through it and find a way. and once you figure out how to manage him (seems like an "atta-boy" to me as opposed to a "tough love" you can threaten) he could be all they hoped and more.
honestly, how much trouble could he really cause 3rd string? what's the worst that could happen? ?
guess I'm just a sucker for an underdog.
honestly, how much trouble could he really cause 3rd string? what's the worst that could happen?
lol.... fair enough...
His distraction impact is too great, IMO, and greatly outweighs any chance of a resurrection.
The next of which I believe signals the end of days anyway...
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Agree... would also not be surprised to see an announced intention to start McC ala JAX and Bortles. But when ready McC sits...
Even tho that approach clearly ruined JM...
JM ruined JM, not any way in which he was handled
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