Goff Or Lynch @2?
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As you know I believe very strong team coupled with continuity makes for a great quarterback. I don't think Alex Smith has ever been a great quarterback, he looks good because he's on a good team.
I believe that had McCown started his career on a good team and stayed there for a long while he'd be in that Elite category.
Put any of those guys on a shitty team and reshuffled the deck every two years and we'd be calling them career backups today.
WSS
As you know I believe very strong team coupled with continuity makes for a great quarterback. I don't think Alex Smith has ever been a great quarterback, he looks good because he's on a good team.
I believe that had McCown started his career on a good team and stayed there for a long while he'd be in that Elite category.
Put any of those guys on a shitty team and reshuffled the deck every two years and we'd be calling them career backups today.
WSS
Agree. Put Andy Dalton on the Browns and he would have been cut after 2 years.
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As you know I believe very strong team coupled with continuity makes for a great quarterback. I don't think Alex Smith has ever been a great quarterback, he looks good because he's on a good team.
I believe that had McCown started his career on a good team and stayed there for a long while he'd be in that Elite category.
Put any of those guys on a shitty team and reshuffled the deck every two years and we'd be calling them career backups today.
WSS
Agree. Put Andy Dalton on the Browns and he would have been cut after 2 years.
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Who ya want?
At #32 maybe one of them.
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As you know I believe very strong team coupled with continuity makes for a great quarterback. I don't think Alex Smith has ever been a great quarterback, he looks good because he's on a good team.
I believe that had McCown started his career on a good team and stayed there for a long while he'd be in that Elite category.
Put any of those guys on a shitty team and reshuffled the deck every two years and we'd be calling them career backups today.
WSS
Agree. Put Andy Dalton on the Browns and he would have been cut after 2 years.
Agree. Put Andy Dalton on the Browns and he would have been cut after 2 years.
Does a Brady Quinn or Brandon Weeden become a star with the Bengals and take them to the playoffs five straight years?
I lean more toward we have drafted shitty QBs than our shitty team has ruined QBs.
Zombo
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Agree. Put Andy Dalton on the Browns and he would have been cut after 2 years.
Does a Brady Quinn or Brandon Weeden become a star with the Bengals and take them to the playoffs five straight years?
I lean more toward we have drafted shitty QBs than our shitty team has ruined QBs.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Does a Brady Quinn or Brandon Weeden become a star with the Bengals and take them to the playoffs five straight years?
Unlikely, but they have better chance than in Cleveland
I lean more toward we have drafted shitty QBs than our shitty team has ruined QBs.
A bit of both.
Zombo
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Agree. Put Andy Dalton on the Browns and he would have been cut after 2 years.
Does a Brady Quinn or Brandon Weeden become a star with the Bengals and take them to the playoffs five straight years?
I lean more toward we have drafted shitty QBs than our shitty team has ruined QBs.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Does a Brady Quinn or Brandon Weeden become a star with the Bengals and take them to the playoffs five straight years?
I lean more toward we have drafted shitty QBs than our shitty team has ruined QBs.
Zombo
Evidenced by what they did after they left here: Squadoosh. I mean, it took both Weeden and Hoyer to get the Texans into the playoffs.....and they really went there in spite of them instead of because of them.
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Zombo said:
Does a Brady Quinn or Brandon Weeden become a star with the Bengals and take them to the playoffs five straight years?
I lean more toward we have drafted shitty QBs than our shitty team has ruined QBs.
Zombo
Evidenced by what they did after they left here: Squadoosh. I mean, it took both Weeden and Hoyer to get the Texans into the playoffs.....and they really went there in spite of them instead of because of them.
Evidenced by what they did after they left here: Squadoosh. I mean, it took both Weeden and Hoyer to get the Texans into the playoffs.....and they really went there in spite of them instead of because of them.
Texans are a team with a legit WR, good RB, and a top D, and Hoyer/Weeden took them to the playoffs. We weren't far behind in the run game last year, but the D and the receiving game let us down.
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Agree. Put Andy Dalton on the Browns and he would have been cut after 2 years.
Does a Brady Quinn or Brandon Weeden become a star with the Bengals and take them to the playoffs five straight years?
I lean more toward we have drafted shitty QBs than our shitty team has ruined QBs.
Zombo
Andy Dalton's been there for what, 4 years, right?Zombo said:
Does a Brady Quinn or Brandon Weeden become a star with the Bengals and take them to the playoffs five straight years?
I lean more toward we have drafted shitty QBs than our shitty team has ruined QBs.
Zombo
Mare Lewis?
WSS
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Andy Dalton's been there for what, 4 years, right?Zombo said:
Does a Brady Quinn or Brandon Weeden become a star with the Bengals and take them to the playoffs five straight years?
I lean more toward we have drafted shitty QBs than our shitty team has ruined QBs.
Zombo
Mare Lewis?
WSS
Andy Dalton's been there for what, 4 years, right?
Mare Lewis?
WSS
5 years, 5 playoffs.
Do you think if Quinn or Weeden was drafted onto Marv Lewis' team instead of ours they would have the same success?
Zombo
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That's all anyone needs to know. The Browns will buy it from there and waste another pick on an "ok" QB who gets us hyped up to take him instead of BPA.
"Hide behind the chainsaws" fools us every f'n time.
I'd agree with you except for the fact that Goff isn't "ok." That was Brandon Weeden, Johnny Manziel, Colt McCoy, Brady Quinn, Luke McCown.
The thing about those guys is - everybody knew they were "ok" (or bad) except for us on draft day. Everybody else knew what we didn't. (Ok, McCoy and McCown were fine wagers with low picks - but the others were not first-round quality and everybody knew it)
Weeden was going to fall well into the 2nd round, but we're dumb and liked him when no other team did. Manziel was slated to fall further than every other top QB prospect (Bortles/Bridgewater/Carr/Garrapolo may have ALL been taken before Johnny except for the fact that we're a bunch of idiots who ignore scouting reports for text messages), Quinn was regarded among the best in a crappy QB class - and everybody was surprised when he kept falling, falling, and falling. Then the dumbass Browns took him after it was apparent nobody wanted him.
You don't pass on a franchise QB for a DE - just doesn't happen, Goff will be a franchise QB somewhere.
And the DE we're talking about isn't JJ Watt here. It's so much easier to draft every other position than it is to draft a franchise QB, so we won't pass up on the one that's sitting on top of everybody's draft board.
You don't pass on a franchise QB for a DE - just doesn't happen, Goff will be a franchise QB somewhere.
Agree... Goff's floor is franchise level... book it. I can't remember the last draft when I said that of a QB prospect. (Luck? Yes, but I thought his floor was higher than "franchise".) Draft position is all about odds and Goff rings the bell.
But even that is not enough to take him top five or even top ten. What makes him Top Two is he has upside... he is franchise-plus.
Here's his DraftBreakdown page with six-2015 games. For those who would pass on him... spend some time... see for yourselves... if you have not already.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I've had same opinion as bbedward for a while now, I think he's the best prospect since luck, everyone is entitled their own.
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Andy Dalton's been there for what, 4 years, right?
Mare Lewis?
WSS
5 years, 5 playoffs.
Do you think if Quinn or Weeden was drafted onto Marv Lewis' team instead of ours they would have the same success?
Zombo
Zombo said:
5 years, 5 playoffs.
Do you think if Quinn or Weeden was drafted onto Marv Lewis' team instead of ours they would have the same success?
Zombo
Quinn yes, Weeden no.
Andy Dalton isn't transcendent talent. He's a smart, accurate QB with some balls on him surrounded by some talented players and coached by a smart coach.
I'd venture that 14-18 active QB's could do the same there.
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You don't pass on a franchise QB for a DE - just doesn't happen, Goff will be a franchise QB somewhere.
Agree... Goff's floor is franchise level... book it. I can't remember the last draft when I said that of a QB prospect. (Luck? Yes, but I thought his floor was higher than "franchise".) Draft position is all about odds and Goff rings the bell.
But even that is not enough to take him top five or even top ten. What makes him Top Two is he has upside... he is franchise-plus.
Here's his DraftBreakdown page with six-2015 games. For those who would pass on him... spend some time... see for yourselves... if you have not already.
Agree... Goff's floor is franchise level... book it. I can't remember the last draft when I said that of a QB prospect. (Luck? Yes, but I thought his floor was higher than "franchise".) Draft position is all about odds and Goff rings the bell.
But even that is not enough to take him top five or even top ten. What makes him Top Two is he has upside... he is franchise-plus.
Here's his DraftBreakdown page with six-2015 games. For those who would pass on him... spend some time... see for yourselves... if you have not already.
I wouldn't pass on him because of a lack of talent.
The only reason I would pass on him is because I believe Wentz has the same upside, with a little lower of a floor, and that we could get Wentz with our second round pick - freeing up #2 for someone else.
That's not saying I would pass on him - I just see two scenarios that are beneficial for us in this moment.
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Agree... Goff's floor is franchise level... book it. I can't remember the last draft when I said that of a QB prospect. (Luck? Yes, but I thought his floor was higher than "franchise".) Draft position is all about odds and Goff rings the bell.
But even that is not enough to take him top five or even top ten. What makes him Top Two is he has upside... he is franchise-plus.
Here's his DraftBreakdown page with six-2015 games. For those who would pass on him... spend some time... see for yourselves... if you have not already.
I wouldn't pass on him because of a lack of talent.
The only reason I would pass on him is because I believe Wentz has the same upside, with a little lower of a floor, and that we could get Wentz with our second round pick - freeing up #2 for someone else.
That's not saying I would pass on him - I just see two scenarios that are beneficial for us in this moment.
The only reason I would pass on him is because I believe Wentz has the same upside...
Can't argue with that as I have not looked hard at Wentz yet.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Agree... Goff's floor is franchise level... book it. I can't remember the last draft when I said that of a QB prospect. (Luck? Yes, but I thought his floor was higher than "franchise".) Draft position is all about odds and Goff rings the bell.
But even that is not enough to take him top five or even top ten. What makes him Top Two is he has upside... he is franchise-plus.
Here's his DraftBreakdown page with six-2015 games. For those who would pass on him... spend some time... see for yourselves... if you have not already.
I wouldn't pass on him because of a lack of talent.
The only reason I would pass on him is because I believe Wentz has the same upside, with a little lower of a floor, and that we could get Wentz with our second round pick - freeing up #2 for someone else.
That's not saying I would pass on him - I just see two scenarios that are beneficial for us in this moment.
we could get Wentz with our second round pick - freeing up #2 for someone else.
I'm not so sure. If we pass on Goff Jerry Jones might do something silly (and taking Goff), but I could see Wentz surpassing Lynch.
I could see Wentz going by #15 to the Rams, but also see him going no later than #22 to the Texans.
Would we really want to trade up to #22 to draft a quarterback?
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Andy Dalton's been there for what, 4 years, right?
Mare Lewis?
WSS
5 years, 5 playoffs.
Do you think if Quinn or Weeden was drafted onto Marv Lewis' team instead of ours they would have the same success?
Zombo
Zombo said:
5 years, 5 playoffs.
Do you think if Quinn or Weeden was drafted onto Marv Lewis' team instead of ours they would have the same success?
Zombo
Yes, Mr Z, I do. I'm not so sure about Brady Quinn, but I like the guy just because he's a Buckeye native, and he's Irish and a very distant cousin is related to me from Carroll County. But I think any quarterback drafted in the first round onto a solid team and stays there for many years has a hell of a better shot then a guy with one year of an offensive program a second year of a different one and then the shit can.
And I certainly think Brandon Weeden would have benefited from 5 years on a good team.
WSS
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Neither , Trade Manziel straight up to the Rams for Sean Mannion and draft Defense and Wide Receivers.
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The only reason I would pass on him is because I believe Wentz has the same upside...
Can't argue with that as I have not looked hard at Wentz yet.
Can't argue with that as I have not looked hard at Wentz yet.
He has flashes of brilliance, in what I've watched thus far. Goff is a more natural thrower, but the ball comes off with just as much zip as it does from Goff.
He's more of a project, but I really do like him.
I'm not so sure. If we pass on Goff Jerry Jones might do something silly (and taking Goff), but I could see Wentz surpassing Lynch.
I could see Wentz going by #15 to the Rams, but also see him going no later than #22 to the Texans.
Would we really want to trade up to #22 to draft a quarterback?
We don't have much experience moving up to #22 for a quarterback.
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