Cosell: Jared Goff A Better Qb Prospect Than Jameis Winston
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My only concern is someone tries to hop the Browns and take Goff before us. I wouldn't be opposed to swapping picks with Tennesee. Trade them manziel and some picks to swap.
My only concern is someone tries to hop the Browns and take Goff before us. I wouldn't be opposed to swapping picks with Tennesee. Trade them manziel and some picks to swap.
I figure the closest team who would want to hop up to #1 would be the Rams. For them, they'd have to give up their future - I'm not so sure I see it.
I don't think Jerruh will pull a Jerruh for Goff, though they may want to try to get Bosa
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Again, viewing the NFL through my garnet and gold colored glasses, I can officially tell you "no way in HELL" is Goff a better prospect than Winston. I'm not sure it's that close, really. Winston made his share of awful rookie mistakes, and was far from perfect in his first season. He struggled in the red zone, threw too many unnecessary picks, and couldn't close out a few games that he should've. That being said, when you look at Winston's numbers and durability, it's hard to think of too many better ROOKIE QB's in the past few years. Winston also played in a very pro-friendly offense in college, and is comfortable under center and in the shotgun. Furthermore, the players appear to love the guy's dedication and commitment. It's not easy to become the team leader as a rookie, and it's apparent that he already is. Winston is at home throwing short passes, seam passes, and "across the field dig routes" that many people get hung up on. While not a fluid athlete, he certainly has more than enough juice to make plays with his feet, and shows an uncommon passion that players feed off of.
Can Goff do all that? Right now, I don't think anybody knows for sure, but it's my opinion that Goff isn't the same caliber prospect. That being said, I'd love NOTHING more than to be wrong about that if we draft the kid!
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Listened to Cosells draft thoughts for two years now and he's very very good. If I'm an owner I'd want him in the building in some capacity
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My only concern is someone tries to hop the Browns and take Goff before us. I wouldn't be opposed to swapping picks with Tennesee. Trade them manziel and some picks to swap.
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Cam Newton, Ben, Winston, = P. Lynch, Wentz are your thick TE molds at QB's that could last a NFL season. Most remember the beat down we gave Mariota in Cleveland & soon after the NFL beatings got Mariota sidelined. Here lies my biggest questions on Goff? Goff in no way is a Mariota guy that can tuck the ball & run but he also is not the McCown that can stand in & take a lot of hits either. This is Cleveland, no matter what when we draft a QB he will be forced to play. Book It!! It's going to be a close call. Not going up to 1 imo but going Bosa @2. Lynch or Wentz & possibly falling back a few. Tick Tock
No idea who Cossell is...
Goff in no way is a Mariota guy that can tuck the ball & run but he also is not the McCown that can stand in & take a lot of hits either. This is Cleveland, no matter what when we draft a QB he will be forced to play. Book It!!
Correct... Goff is no Mariota on the run, but he's no statue either and he is the best at sliding in the pocket that I have seen in a long time. Easily moves better than McC and runs faster to boot.
Should we end up with Goff, or any 1st-round QB, I have no doubt that he will not start until he is ready or very nearly ready.
Book that!
... i (as many others have) see that he lloks, talks, and walks the part of a franchise QB.
I've only seen one interview of any length with him and he did come off quite well. I've no doubt once SB50 is in the rearview mirror we'll see him on the tube everywhere all the time...
... and I just realized that "on the tube" is a new anachronism...
I figure the closest team who would want to hop up to #1 would be the Rams. For them, they'd have to give up their future - I'm not so sure I see it.
Agree.... we love Goff and even we wouldn't mortgage a future for him. Even have issues paying a significant price to move up to #1...
It helps that there is at least one more prospect that looks posed to act as a reasonable Plan B alternative.
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Goff needs to gain weight. My question about taking him number 2 is; Does he play right away or sit? Does McCowns start and if so what happens when he goes down? Austin Davis?
Goff needs to gain weight. My question about taking him number 2 is; Does he play right away or sit? Does McCowns start and if so what happens when he goes down? Austin Davis?
I don't think we need to worry about who the third string QB is. Austin Powerless, Connor Shaw, some guy Hue likes ... whatever, it would be a guy.
It'll be McCown + Rookie + Some Guy.
And the rookie will play, because McCown isn't lasting 16 games, he didn't last one quarter last year.
Zombo
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Goff needs to gain weight. My question about taking him number 2 is; Does he play right away or sit? Does McCowns start and if so what happens when he goes down? Austin Davis?
I don't think we need to worry about who the third string QB is. Austin Powerless, Connor Shaw, some guy Hue likes ... whatever, it would be a guy.
It'll be McCown + Rookie + Some Guy.
And the rookie will play, because McCown isn't lasting 16 games, he didn't last one quarter last year.
Zombo
Zombo said:
And the rookie will play, because McCown isn't lasting 16 games, he didn't last one quarter last year.
Agree... but the plan will be to let the Rook sit and learn as long as possible or until he's ready... which ever is shorter... but hopefully not too short.
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Wasn't sure whom Cosell was, so I went back and looked at some of his scouting and projections.
...He might not be the best individual one could use when seeking a backup opinion.
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The rookie will more than likely get the McCoy treatment where he has to wait for the guys in front of him to go down with injuries.
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Zombo said:
And the rookie will play, because McCown isn't lasting 16 games, he didn't last one quarter last year.
Agree... but the plan will be to let the Rook sit and learn as long as possible or until he's ready... which ever is shorter... but hopefully not too short.
So just to be contrary if that takes four, six or eight games somebody can truthfully say 'well this kid couldn't even beat out a 38 year old career back up!" It would be a valid argument?Agree... but the plan will be to let the Rook sit and learn as long as possible or until he's ready... which ever is shorter... but hopefully not too short.
WSS
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So just to be contrary if that takes four, six or eight games somebody can truthfully say 'well this kid couldn't even beat out a 38 year old career back up!" It would be a valid argument?Agree... but the plan will be to let the Rook sit and learn as long as possible or until he's ready... which ever is shorter... but hopefully not too short.
WSS
So just to be contrary if that takes four, six or eight games somebody can truthfully say 'well this kid couldn't even beat out a 38 year old career back up!" It would be a valid argument?
WSS
If, after 8 weeks, he didnt even know how to call a play in the huddle. Then, yes, it would be.
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If we get this kid I'm going to track you bastards to make sure no one dogs him if he doesn't become an instant Superbowl QB.
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So just to be contrary if that takes four, six or eight games somebody can truthfully say 'well this kid couldn't even beat out a 38 year old career back up!" It would be a valid argument?
WSS
If, after 8 weeks, he didnt even know how to call a play in the huddle. Then, yes, it would be.
If, after 8 weeks, he didnt even know how to call a play in the huddle. Then, yes, it would be.
But of course you made that up. So should a rookie sit for a year to learn or not? I mean seriously whoever the veteran is has many years more experience.
When would you expect any rookie be ready to overcome years of experience?
WSS
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No, Joe Thomas made it up. But I think the best player should always be the starter. Period.
No, Joe Thomas made it up. But I think the best player should always be the starter. Period.
So you were pissed off when Austin Davis started?
WSS
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So you were pissed off when Austin Davis started?
WSS
Not at all. Im glad he had the maturity and sense of responsibility to be prepared and know the plays. And I rarely get pissed about anything football. Just people who dont man up or even try.
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Goff is a bum people are saying dumb shit like that because Rodgers was over looked. Remember Rodgers went to a good organization with a good team and took farves spot. He did not walk into a dumpster fire. Goff sucks I watched a lot of him this year average qb in an bad PAC 12 pass on him
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If, after 8 weeks, he didnt even know how to call a play in the huddle. Then, yes, it would be.
But of course you made that up. So should a rookie sit for a year to learn or not? I mean seriously whoever the veteran is has many years more experience.
When would you expect any rookie be ready to overcome years of experience?
WSS
When would you expect any rookie be ready to overcome years of experience?
When the rookie is the real deal?
If we get this kid I'm going to track you bastards to make sure no one dogs him if he doesn't become an instant Superbowl QB.
On-field performance is way too late to start expectations management...
First have to muzzle the prospect. Then have to herd the legions of arriving fans.
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So you were pissed off when Austin Davis started?
WSS
Not at all. Im glad he had the maturity and sense of responsibility to be prepared and know the plays. And I rarely get pissed about anything football. Just people who dont man up or even try.
Not at all. Im glad he had the maturity and sense of responsibility to be prepared and know the plays. And I rarely get pissed about anything football. Just people who dont man up or even try.
Everybody knew the plays in Johnny's second season. That was never an issue regardless of season 1.
And he wasn't demoted behind Davis because of his play was he? I'll answer for you. No.
WSS
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